Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[IslesNorway]

My offseason moves -

2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2025 2nd, Josh Bailey for Ivan Provorov
Kyle Palmieri to Chicago for 2023 3rd (Dallas Pick) and 2025 4th round (NYR pick)
Robin Salo to Arizona for 2024 3rd (Oilers PIck)

Sign Varly, Parise, Schenn, and Engvall
or
Sign Rittich, Pairse, Schenn, and Tarasenko.

I appreciate you wanting to shake up the roster, but none of these are anywhere near realistic.

When making any trade proposals always consider this:
- The Islanders have no farm system to speak of. No blue chip prospects and nothing terribly exciting in the AHL. That HAS to change. Lou has been trading away picks for fun and left us with one of the worst prospect pools in the league,.
-They have one of the oldest rosters in the league. Adding more 30+ players isn't gonna do the team any favours.
-Most Islanders players have no worth in a trade because their contracts are bad. The whole league know this very, very well. No rebuilding teams are gonna take on, let alone pay anything for anyone off our roster.
-The only way to get rid of the likes of Palmieri or Clutterbuck is to take on similar salary. Pageau has some value, but probably no more than 2nd or 3rd.
-Every GM knows Lou has to get rid of Bailey. Better to buy him out than offer more futures when there are already no futures left to trade.

Get rid, suck for a season or two to let contracts run out, and then start anew.

 

[islesfan3913]

A case for Tarasenko - I would rather have a 31 year old Tank than a 27 year old Engvall.

Tank would allow more options on the PP and most importantly push Lee down to the 2nd PP unit. Nelson, Horvat, Tank can rotate from right half wall, bumper, and Front net presence… creating more movement.

If the Cap only rises to 83.5 there is a possibility to ice this roster -
Lee - Barzal - Tarasenko
Nelson - Horvat - Wahlstrom
Parise - Pageau - Holmstrom
Martin - Cizikas - C’buck
Fasching

* Palmieri and Bailey are traded in cap saving deals.

I think the key here is the cost of the two. If I was asked to choose between Engvall and Tank, I’m probably taking Tank. But if I was asked to choose between Engvall at $2.5-$3 mil or Tank at $6+ mil, I would probably take my chances with Engvall. He’s only 27 and has only gotten third line ice time so far in career, yet he’s put up close to 20 goals twice and 30+ points. I don’t think it’s crazy to envision him being a 20-30-50 guy at least a couple times in the next six years. Tank, on the other hand, is a guy who I really question can get back to what he was. He seemed to have lost a step this year and I think his 35-40 goal days are behind him and I think he’ll be lucky to hit 30 more than twice for the rest of his career, probably going to be more of a 25 goal guy which I’m not willing to pay $6+ million for long term.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I am going to continue beating the drum on letting Mayfield walk. He had a putrid season and was useful for 6 playoff games. They fell into this trap with Eberle. Let Mayfield walk and actually replace him with a smooth skating defenseman who can move the puck. Severson and Klingberg are two that come to mind.

 

[Glory Days]

I am going to continue beating the drum on letting Mayfield walk. He had a putrid season and was useful for 6 playoff games. They fell into this trap with Eberle. Let Mayfield walk and actually replace him with a smooth skating defenseman who can move the puck. Severson and Klingberg are two that come to mind.

I agree on letting Mayfield walk and replacing him with a puck moving D preferably one that can run PP1.

 

[doublechili]

I am going to continue beating the drum on letting Mayfield walk. He had a putrid season and was useful for 6 playoff games. They fell into this trap with Eberle. Let Mayfield walk and actually replace him with a smooth skating defenseman who can move the puck. Severson and Klingberg are two that come to mind.

It does make a bit of sense to have a RHD as the #1 PP point man. That moves Dobson back to PP2 to lessen the burden on him during his development. And we don't really have a LH shot to set up in the right circle for one timers from a LHD on the PP. So a RHD making cross ice passes to a RH shot in the left circle makes more sense.

 

[SI]

I appreciate you wanting to shake up the roster, but none of these are anywhere near realistic.

When making any trade proposals always consider this:
- The Islanders have no farm system to speak of. No blue chip prospects and nothing terribly exciting in the AHL. That HAS to change. Lou has been trading away picks for fun and left us with one of the worst prospect pools in the league,.
-They have one of the oldest rosters in the league. Adding more 30+ players isn't gonna do the team any favours.
-Most Islanders players have no worth in a trade because their contracts are bad. The whole league know this very, very well. No rebuilding teams are gonna take on, let alone pay anything for anyone off our roster.
-The only way to get rid of the likes of Palmieri or Clutterbuck is to take on similar salary. Pageau has some value, but probably no more than 2nd or 3rd.
-Every GM knows Lou has to get rid of Bailey. Better to buy him out than offer more futures when there are already no futures left to trade.

Get rid, suck for a season or two to let contracts run out, and then start anew.

I appreciate the response but I would like to add -
Lindholm and Ekholm were deals that required NO blue chip prospects just picks. Basically, A 1st and 2 2nds… adding Bailey to that deal is to make it work cap wise- hell, Nashville took back a contract in Barrie. I understand that Barrie is a useful player but there is multiple term on that deal.

With regards to futures - Lou is obviously all - in. I believe the 2024 1st is in play come the deadline to fill a hole.


The Palmieri deal is based around a deal that Columbus received for Bjorkstrand. Yes, a rebuilding team taking on Palmieri for not only reaching the cap floor, but also to add strong veteran leadership to young prospects- who is Bedard passing to? The Hawks have a boatload picks and they cannot sign all of them and so they can use some of that draft capital to acquire NHL players.

Pageau is worth more than that - Isles could make a hockey trade with Vancouver this off season. Allvin and Tocchet have identified a 3C as priority #1 and one who can help repair the worst PK in the league. Pick your deal-
Pageau for Boeser, Pageau for Mikheyev, Pageau for Garalnd.

 

[SI]

I am going to continue beating the drum on letting Mayfield walk. He had a putrid season and was useful for 6 playoff games. They fell into this trap with Eberle. Let Mayfield walk and actually replace him with a smooth skating defenseman who can move the puck. Severson and Klingberg are two that come to mind.

I really like the idea of Severson. Maybe he wants to stay in the area. Not a fan of Klingberg.

 

[SI]

I appreciate you wanting to shake up the roster, but none of these are anywhere near realistic.

When making any trade proposals always consider this:
- The Islanders have no farm system to speak of. No blue chip prospects and nothing terribly exciting in the AHL. That HAS to change. Lou has been trading away picks for fun and left us with one of the worst prospect pools in the league,.
-They have one of the oldest rosters in the league. Adding more 30+ players isn't gonna do the team any favours.
-Most Islanders players have no worth in a trade because their contracts are bad. The whole league know this very, very well. No rebuilding teams are gonna take on, let alone pay anything for anyone off our roster.
-The only way to get rid of the likes of Palmieri or Clutterbuck is to take on similar salary. Pageau has some value, but probably no more than 2nd or 3rd.
-Every GM knows Lou has to get rid of Bailey. Better to buy him out than offer more futures when there are already no futures left to trade.

Get rid, suck for a season or two to let contracts run out, and then start anew.

Wrong draft year to suck.I’d rather go all in and let the results speak for themselves. If the results continue to be mediocre, then rework the roster in 2025 off-season.

 

[MJF]

I don't understand the fascination with trading Pageau and keeping Cizikas. It must be strictly about the money, because there is no upside to keeping Cizikas over JGP. Certainly not for offense because Zeeker has none. Pageau is underperforming and still had 40 points. Pageau can also do the 4th line role as well as Cizikas. He can also take big D zone draws and PK as well as Cizikas.

On a team that is struggling to find offense, to trade Pageau, which would likely need for the Islanders to include an asset to make his $5M contract more attractive to another team, would be counter-productive. I'm sure Cizikas' contract would be easier to trade, but would not get the Isles much back in return.

And then while we're at it, after trading 53, move on from 17 and LTIR 15. I'm sure if Clutterbuck has a hay fever sneezing fit he'll tear a muscle.

 

[The Wahligator]

I don't understand the fascination with trading Pageau and keeping Cizikas. It must be strictly about the money, because there is no upside to keeping Cizikas over JGP. Certainly not for offense because Zeeker has none. Pageau is underperforming and still had 40 points. Pageau can also do the 4th line role as well as Cizikas. He can also take big D zone draws and PK as well as Cizikas.

On a team that is struggling to find offense, to trade Pageau, which would likely need for the Islanders to include an asset to make his $5M contract more attractive to another team, would be counter-productive. I'm sure Cizikas' contract would be easier to trade, but would not get the Isles much back in return.

And then while we're at it, after trading 53, move on from 17 and LTIR 15. I'm sure if Clutterbuck has a hay fever sneezing fit he'll tear a muscle.

I disagree that you’d need to attach assets to move Pageau. I think he’s the type of player that’s highly thought of around the league, and he’s only slightly overpaid for what he brings.

Like it our not, if this team wants to make a significant upgrade either on the wings or on D then a big $ player needs to be moved out ON TOP of moving Bailey. With 4 very capable centers in the organization right now I think Pageau is a luxury, not a necessity. I say move him and use the cap space/picks to go a different direction.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Not sure why people keep putting up top lines that have Barzal/Lee?winger (Tank, etc) leaving no one to do faceoffs again.

No, it is more likely than not that they try the Barzal/Horvat combo again unless they move Nelson off of center and put him on the wing.

It is very unfortunate we didn't move some players at the deadline instead of going for it when we had little to no chance of getting out of the East much less winning the damn thing. But we got into 6 games, so those who wanted to see some playoff games got their wish.

Now we need to be realistic and "hope" for some things to really turn our way...

1) First and foremost is the cap coming in at 84 million plus, which would be ideal if it came in closer to $85 million. That isn't too farfetched since they were projecting 83.5 and projecting 88 for 2024-25. I think NHL owners would be fine if the 83.5 was to be a little higher (85) even if it meant only 87 (still a 2 million increase) for the following season. Hell, even 84.5 million would help us immensely. 81.5 to 84.5 to 87.5 would be 3 million increases and a tempered (half million) off their ending projection.

2) Need to re-sign both Parise and Wahlstrom for under $1 million. Oliver's RFA isn't going to cost over that and Zach is still getting handsomely paid by the Wild, so both of these "should" easily be done since the later already announced his attention to play another season.

With Fasching re-signed and adding those two (1.7-1.8 million), we will have 15 forwards and 5 blueliners and 1 goalie signed for about 79 million in cap, leaving 5-6 or so left and we need D desperately and a backup goalie before even worrying about upgrading our forward group or adding someone. Bury two of them (and for this exercise, I make it Johnston and Holmstrom) and you are at 77, leaving you closer to 7 million in cap space.

3) Then comes the decision on Josh Bailey and "ideally" he is put on LTIR and we have $12 million in cap space to work with. That is truly what we have to hope for, but either way we need his $5 million in cap savings. He is only due $3.5 million cash on his final year, but it would have been nice to have acquired an asset or two at the deadline (sellers) we could be using here to unload him- now we have to use what few we have left. Either way, we need that off the books. Buying him out has to be weighed there, and I don't like that option really; not when we need at least 2 more blueliners.

I dont think anyone here has a problem with Fasching/Holmstrom as the 13th/14th forward or Aho (along with a veteran signing) as the 7th/8th defenseman.

So after occurring the $5 million in savings with Bailey (likely via trade but hopefully LTIR) we would be here:

Anders Lee (7.0)- Bo Horvat (8.5)- Matthew Barzal (9.15)
Kyle Palmieri (5.0)- Brock Nelson (6.0)- OPEN
Zach Parise (.8)- Jean-Gabriel Pageau (5.0)- Oliver Wahlstrom (.95)
Matt Martin (1.5)- Casey Cizikas (2.5)- Cal Clutterbuck (1.75)

Hudson Fasching/Simon Holmstrom (.8)

OPEN- Ryan Pulock (6.15)
Adam Pelech (5.75)- Noah Dobson (4.0)
Alexander Romanov (2.5)- OPEN

Sebastian Aho/OPEN (.8)

Ilya Sorokin (4.0)
OPEN

This is being realistic, honestly. Norway is exactly right, especially if it costs us assets to move Bailey, in that trading anyone else is not going to be easy. Hell, just moving Josh in itself will be hard enough.

You can't afford to move Nelson because you need his scoring. Palmieri will be hard to move because he has been too inconsistent and has 2 years left on his deal and while JPG has more value; he has 3 years left and one could argue he simply isn't a top 6 forward which means he is overpaid. Lee isn't going anywhere at that cap hit and years left either....

"Maybe" you can find a trade that sends Kyle or Jean-Gabriel for an equally "not very good" contract blueliner, but more than likely you won't.

So, the question remains who can you get for $12 million in cap space??

A) A puck-moving D (preferably on the top line) who is a bargain (4 million)
B) A third line RD (2.5 million)
C) A bargain top 6 (at least arguable) forward (3.5 million)
D) A backup goalie (2 million)

And then a veteran defenseman for the minimum.

This is being realistic....

 

[LeapOnOver]

I appreciate you wanting to shake up the roster, but none of these are anywhere near realistic.

When making any trade proposals always consider this:
- The Islanders have no farm system to speak of. No blue chip prospects and nothing terribly exciting in the AHL. That HAS to change. Lou has been trading away picks for fun and left us with one of the worst prospect pools in the league,.
-They have one of the oldest rosters in the league. Adding more 30+ players isn't gonna do the team any favours.
-Most Islanders players have no worth in a trade because their contracts are bad. The whole league know this very, very well. No rebuilding teams are gonna take on, let alone pay anything for anyone off our roster.
-The only way to get rid of the likes of Palmieri or Clutterbuck is to take on similar salary. Pageau has some value, but probably no more than 2nd or 3rd.
-Every GM knows Lou has to get rid of Bailey. Better to buy him out than offer more futures when there are already no futures left to trade.

Get rid, suck for a season or two to let contracts run out, and then start anew.

Everybody here knows this will never happen. This is fantasy land lol. Talk about realism.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

3) Then comes the decision on Josh Bailey and "ideally" he is put on LTIR

He's said he wants to play next year, so fat chance.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I don't understand the fascination with trading Pageau and keeping Cizikas. It must be strictly about the money, because there is no upside to keeping Cizikas over JGP. Certainly not for offense because Zeeker has none. Pageau is underperforming and still had 40 points. Pageau can also do the 4th line role as well as Cizikas. He can also take big D zone draws and PK as well as Cizikas.

On a team that is struggling to find offense, to trade Pageau, which would likely need for the Islanders to include an asset to make his $5M contract more attractive to another team, would be counter-productive. I'm sure Cizikas' contract would be easier to trade, but would not get the Isles much back in return.

And then while we're at it, after trading 53, move on from 17 and LTIR 15. I'm sure if Clutterbuck has a hay fever sneezing fit he'll tear a muscle.

It is. Pageau simply put also has underperformed the last two seasons. They cannot ever get elite talent if they are spending so much in their bottom six.

 

[IslesNorway]

Everybody here knows this will never happen. This is fantasy land lol. Talk about realism.

What is fantasy exactly? The getting rid and sucking?

The Islanders have painted themselves into a corner with the contracts and players they have. It is plain for most people here to see, if not everyone.

 

[iggy]

Not sure why people keep putting up top lines that have Barzal/Lee?winger (Tank, etc) leaving no one to do faceoffs again.

No, it is more likely than not that they try the Barzal/Horvat combo again unless they move Nelson off of center and put him on the wing.

It is very unfortunate we didn't move some players at the deadline instead of going for it when we had little to no chance of getting out of the East much less winning the damn thing. But we got into 6 games, so those who wanted to see some playoff games got their wish.

Now we need to be realistic and "hope" for some things to really turn our way...

1) First and foremost is the cap coming in at 84 million plus, which would be ideal if it came in closer to $85 million. That isn't too farfetched since they were projecting 83.5 and projecting 88 for 2024-25. I think NHL owners would be fine if the 83.5 was to be a little higher (85) even if it meant only 87 (still a 2 million increase) for the following season. Hell, even 84.5 million would help us immensely. 81.5 to 84.5 to 87.5 would be 3 million increases and a tempered (half million) off their ending projection.

2) Need to re-sign both Parise and Wahlstrom for under $1 million. Oliver's RFA isn't going to cost over that and Zach is still getting handsomely paid by the Wild, so both of these "should" easily be done since the later already announced his attention to play another season.

With Fasching re-signed and adding those two (1.7-1.8 million), we will have 15 forwards and 5 blueliners and 1 goalie signed for about 79 million in cap, leaving 5-6 or so left and we need D desperately and a backup goalie before even worrying about upgrading our forward group or adding someone. Bury two of them (and for this exercise, I make it Johnston and Holmstrom) and you are at 77, leaving you closer to 7 million in cap space.

3) Then comes the decision on Josh Bailey and "ideally" he is put on LTIR and we have $12 million in cap space to work with. That is truly what we have to hope for, but either way we need his $5 million in cap savings. He is only due $3.5 million cash on his final year, but it would have been nice to have acquired an asset or two at the deadline (sellers) we could be using here to unload him- now we have to use what few we have left. Either way, we need that off the books. Buying him out has to be weighed there, and I don't like that option really; not when we need at least 2 more blueliners.

I dont think anyone here has a problem with Fasching/Holmstrom as the 13th/14th forward or Aho (along with a veteran signing) as the 7th/8th defenseman.

So after occurring the $5 million in savings with Bailey (likely via trade but hopefully LTIR) we would be here:

Anders Lee (7.0)- Bo Horvat (8.5)- Matthew Barzal (9.15)
Kyle Palmieri (5.0)- Brock Nelson (6.0)- OPEN
Zach Parise (.8)- Jean-Gabriel Pageau (5.0)- Oliver Wahlstrom (.95)
Matt Martin (1.5)- Casey Cizikas (2.5)- Cal Clutterbuck (1.75)

Hudson Fasching/Simon Holmstrom (.8)

OPEN- Ryan Pulock (6.15)
Adam Pelech (5.75)- Noah Dobson (4.0)
Alexander Romanov (2.5)- OPEN

Sebastian Aho/OPEN (.8)

Ilya Sorokin (4.0)
OPEN

This is being realistic, honestly. Norway is exactly right, especially if it costs us assets to move Bailey, in that trading anyone else is not going to be easy. Hell, just moving Josh in itself will be hard enough.

You can't afford to move Nelson because you need his scoring. Palmieri will be hard to move because he has been too inconsistent and has 2 years left on his deal and while JPG has more value; he has 3 years left and one could argue he simply isn't a top 6 forward which means he is overpaid. Lee isn't going anywhere at that cap hit and years left either....

"Maybe" you can find a trade that sends Kyle or Jean-Gabriel for an equally "not very good" contract blueliner, but more than likely you won't.

So, the question remains who can you get for $12 million in cap space??

A) A puck-moving D (preferably on the top line) who is a bargain (4 million)
B) A third line RD (2.5 million)
C) A bargain top 6 (at least arguable) forward (3.5 million)
D) A backup goalie (2 million)

And then a veteran defenseman for the minimum.

This is being realistic....

Can you just say you are going on LTIR? You don't have to prove what his injury is? If so then why don't we put slow Lee and Palmieri on there too. Save another 12 million in cap space?

 

[periferal]

Damnit.

I hate when my enemies figure it out…

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Kyle Palmieri to Chicago for 2023 3rd (Dallas Pick) and 2025 4th round (NYR pick)

That makes no sense for Hawks

The Palmieri deal is based around a deal that Columbus received for Bjorkstrand. Yes, a rebuilding team taking on Palmieri for not only reaching the cap floor, but also to add strong veteran leadership to young prospects- who is Bedard passing to? The Hawks have a boatload picks and they cannot sign all of them and so they can use some of that draft capital to acquire NHL players.

The Jackets made that trade to move $5.4M off cap because of Gaudreau and Laine contracts.

Hawks have $40M+ in cap room this offseason if they want to reach cap floor, they will take on bad contracts with assets or sign FA's to short term contracts like the Domi/AA $3M AAV deals last summer.

If Hawks are trading futures for NHL players, it will be young players to plug into lineup not some expensive 32 yr old on decline signed for 2 more years.

As for the "They cannot sign all prospects" stuff. Well a bunch of our kids are approaching make or break years especially on D (Roos, Vlasic, Regula, Phillips and Crevier) that many will be out of organization next summer clearing way for next wave (Korchinksi, Del Mastro, Allen, etc). Adding picks for 2024, 2025 and 2026 drafts will not be problem and Hawks will prioritize who to sign when it comes up to who is producing/developing

Also, Hawks have small longshot chance at Bedard

There is literally no spinning any deal involving an expensive vet contract to Hawks that doesn't include assets going Hawks way

Sending Bailey + 2024 2nd to Hawks for an AHL/NHL tweener like Mike Hardman on other hand makes sense. Hawks get pick to take on Bailey final year while Islanders open cap room at expense of taking back a contract of an AHL/NHL tweener

 

[Lek]

Damnit.

I hate when my enemies figure it out…

welp....i would be just fine bringing him over here.

 

[MJF]

It is. Pageau simply put also has underperformed the last two seasons. They cannot ever get elite talent if they are spending so much in their bottom six.

We don’t have a traditional bottom 6. They get a regular turn. Heck, Lambert keeps them going over the boards in 3rd periods when we’re up a down a goal way too often when he should be shortening his becnch. What’s the point of keeping 17-53-15 here any longer except that they’re already paid for? Their production is next to nothing and don’t justify their ice time..

 

[YearlyLottery]

We don’t have a traditional bottom 6. They get a regular turn. Heck, Lambert keeps them going over the boards in 3rd periods when we’re up a down a goal way too often when he should be shortening his becnch. What’s the point of keeping 17-53-15 here any longer except that they’re already paid for? Their production is next to nothing and don’t justify their ice time..

Confused with your thought process here. Don't you think this roster needs major changes to compete? The only way they are ever going to do that is to replace an expensive bottom six with cheap players and then have a high end top six. That change won't happen overnight but it will never happen with expensive bottom six guys like Pageau.

I am all for getting rid of Martin and Clutterbuck as well.

Cizikas I think plays his role nicely for his salary and has shown he can likely take a higher role such as third line center.

 

[SI]

That makes no sense for Hawks


The Jackets made that trade to move $5.4M off cap because of Gaudreau and Laine contracts.

Hawks have $40M+ in cap room this offseason if they want to reach cap floor, they will take on bad contracts with assets or sign FA's to short term contracts like the Domi/AA $3M AAV deals last summer.

If Hawks are trading futures for NHL players, it will be young players to plug into lineup not some expensive 32 yr old on decline signed for 2 more years.

As for the "They cannot sign all prospects" stuff. Well a bunch of our kids are approaching make or break years especially on D (Roos, Vlasic, Regula, Phillips and Crevier) that many will be out of organization next summer clearing way for next wave (Korchinksi, Del Mastro, Allen, etc). Adding picks for 2024, 2025 and 2026 drafts will not be problem and Hawks will prioritize who to sign when it comes up to who is producing/developing

Also, Hawks have small longshot chance at Bedard

There is literally no spinning any deal involving an expensive vet contract to Hawks that doesn't include assets going Hawks way

Sending Bailey + 2024 2nd to Hawks for an AHL/NHL tweener like Mike Hardman on other hand makes sense. Hawks get pick to take on Bailey final year while Islanders open cap room at expense of taking back a contract of an AHL/NHL tweener

The Columbus - Seattle scenario - the Hawks are Seattle in this situation not Columbus.

When a team is rebuilding it is important to collect assets and draft capital but also you need to protect those young players on the ice. Getting their asses kicked every night may deter their development and having strong bets in the room and on the ice can go a long way.

You can always flip those vets as the age out for picks in later drafts. Chicago has built up a strong collection of draft capital.

I agree on the Bailey trade and probably the thing that is most likely to happen.

And I am very very sure the Hawks will win the Bedard lottery - I’ll circle back Monday night with you! Get your champagne ready.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

The Columbus - Seattle scenario - the Hawks are Seattle in this situation not Columbus.

When a team is rebuilding it is important to collect assets and draft capital but also you need to protect those young players on the ice. Getting their asses kicked every night may deter their development and having strong bets in the room and on the ice can go a long way.

You can always flip those vets as the age out for picks in later drafts. Chicago has built up a strong collection of draft capital.

I agree on the Bailey trade and probably the thing that is most likely to happen.

And I am very very sure the Hawks will win the Bedard lottery - I’ll circle back Monday night with you! Get your champagne ready.

Seattle was not in full rebuild but were actively looking to improve roster

Hawks are in full rebuild and are not giving away picks/assets for a 32 yr old winger on decline who has $5M cap hit for next 2 years

Bjorkstrand was 26 yrs old coming off 28 goal/57 pt season for Jackets and signed longterm

If you want to make a real comparable I guess you could offer Barzal for a 3rd/4th who is about same age and had about same production as Bjorkstrand and would fit Hawks roster like Bjorkstrand

But I doubt you would be in favor of moving Barzal for that package which is understandable and reasonable. Its not understandable and reasonable to think that Hawks would pay anything for 32 yr old Palmeri

If Hawks want some vets on roster there are plenty of vets cheaper and as productive or more productive as Palmeri on UFA market

 

[Chardo]

Gallant is the new Keenan. Just can't keep a job more than 2 or 3 years.

 

[scott99]

Won't know until you see him in the AHL but I'd say higher ceiling then Dufor, potential top-6 if all goes well. He played on a stacked team but did a lot of heavy lifting himself.

I don’t know man, Dufour, the guy was a stud in juniors, and did bigger things at a younger age. Even his draft year, he had 28 goals and 55 points as a 17/18 year old (turned 18 in January of 2020). His last year in juniors, won the MVP of the Q, and then had a GREAT Memorial Cup and won the MVP of that round robin. Then follows up his 1st year as a pro with 21 goals and 48 points in 69 games. And he’s only 10 months older than Maggio.

Not taking anything away from Maggio, had a GREAT season. Different kind of player that has excellent speed, and a great shot, I’d say Dufour has a better shot.