Roster Building XX: How Many Patents Does Your GM Have?
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Daeavorn
livin' that no caps life
Could probably get 7x7.5 at least. He's been phenomenal these past two years.
WreckingCrew
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He's gonna be looking at the Hronek+ contract
robbieberns
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Skjei just never made sense given we would have 12-14m wrapped up in two top 4 LHD signed into their late - mid 30s with Nikishin on the horizon. I get the whole win now and figure it out later/guys can always play their off side argument but it really just never made sense to me from a long term planning aspect. He was always going to be a non retained self rental IMO.
Derailed75
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I dont know about that, one of the national reporters dont remember which one said something about him taking a discount to stay. The Borg has always prioritized value of contracts over pretty much everything else. If Skjei does in fact take a discount to stay I dont think they would be to worried about how much is wrapped up in a position.
bleedgreen
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Well I definitely didn’t want him to go, and we’re definitely between a rock and a hard place by next year for D. I do believe that he’s the type of dman to age reasonably well.
And yet, signing him to an extension for 8 years when he’ll be 31 before it starts is an interesting situation. I don’t know if he’s just been fighting off some injuries the last couple of years, I’ve been hesitating to say he’s slowing down because he’s young enough to come back healthy next year and look like three or four years ago. I don’t believe it’s a discount, I think the most he was going to get on the market was maybe 7 for shorter term. Defensive dmen don’t get that much usually. Of course it’ll look like less money in time.
As amazing as he’s been I’m torn on whether or not I would’ve done this. I said that a couple of years ago when we first started talking about this, I thought by the time the moment came around I’d fall on one side or the other….nope. Still torn. Glad to not watch him play for someone else though.
And yet, signing him to an extension for 8 years when he’ll be 31 before it starts is an interesting situation. I don’t know if he’s just been fighting off some injuries the last couple of years, I’ve been hesitating to say he’s slowing down because he’s young enough to come back healthy next year and look like three or four years ago. I don’t believe it’s a discount, I think the most he was going to get on the market was maybe 7 for shorter term. Defensive dmen don’t get that much usually. Of course it’ll look like less money in time.
As amazing as he’s been I’m torn on whether or not I would’ve done this. I said that a couple of years ago when we first started talking about this, I thought by the time the moment came around I’d fall on one side or the other….nope. Still torn. Glad to not watch him play for someone else though.
I think Skjei won't take that offer.
hblueridgegal
We'll bounce back
Daeavorn
livin' that no caps life
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Why does the bio say "Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd"?
I just get the feeling that he's already being told the offers aren't there, so he needs to be prepared to button up and play his way to a deal next year.
Let his agent go beat the bushes for improved offers.
If PLD and his contract can get moved we can definitely move KK
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
The only way that Skjei makes any sense to re-sign is Orlov-style. 2×8.
robbieberns
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Even then that would leave us with a Skjei-Morrow pairing which i’m not sure would be worth it, to me I’ve always expected last year’s third pairing to move up a pair and bring in a 3rd pair LHD vet to babysit Morrow. People found that underwhelming when I brought it up previously but I think it’s the most realistic and sensible move for the defense especially if the back end savings for 24-25 can really help us spend the dough and properly rebuild up top for the present and future.
Daeavorn
livin' that no caps life
I think Pesce makes more sense to keep than Skjei. It's a shame that his athleticism is starting to fade as his injuries catch up.
I'd love to keep him at even a 6x5.
I'd love to keep him at even a 6x5.
robbieberns
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Where is the room for Pesce? If he comes back I guess you could a move Chatfield to his offside with Morrow and go Orlov-Pesce? Doesn’t really seem like a good fit or something we’d do. If we brought him back you’re really hoping Morrow breaks out into a first pairing quality guy sooner than later with Pesce and Chatfield as your other two RHD for the next three years.
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Vet - Morrow
That means 25-26 you can roll
Slavin - X
Nikishin - Chatfield
Vet - Morrow
This gives the front office a full year to evaluate Morrow as well as target any premium RHD they think would be a good Burns replacement. A lot could change over the course of a year and I’d rather not sign an underwhelming contract when the turnaround to a well balanced, young leaning, and star studded D corps could be on the horizon fairly quickly.
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Vet - Morrow
That means 25-26 you can roll
Slavin - X
Nikishin - Chatfield
Vet - Morrow
This gives the front office a full year to evaluate Morrow as well as target any premium RHD they think would be a good Burns replacement. A lot could change over the course of a year and I’d rather not sign an underwhelming contract when the turnaround to a well balanced, young leaning, and star studded D corps could be on the horizon fairly quickly.
Re: Morrow…..
To give the Borg max cap flexibility, the #6 spot as RHD is Morrow’s to lose. We need 2-3 entry level deals and/or cheaper vet contracts on the third pair and extra 7th dman in the press box to allow for enough salary cap space elsewhere to make a splash on the forwards. You want Morrow to play meaningful minutes (3rd pair very sheltered minutes in 5v5 and then a PP line position to boost his minutes and production overall… basically the dman version of how we used Noesen the last couple seasons) or he needs to be in the minors playing 25 min a night developing so he can take a prominent role in another season or two…
Morrow needs to be back here in Raleigh working out with Slavin and everyone here as hard as he can learning our systems and working with the strength and conditioning guys as much of this summer as possible if he wants to have a shot of earning that roster spot…
If the Borg is all in on Morrow having a guaranteed spot, then I think we are trying to sign a 1-2 year deal with a couple bottom pair left d or bottom pair dmen that can play both sides to rotate or fight for the #5 spot alongside Morrow or sit in the press box as the extra d…. And you want a more stay at home guy who isn’t as concerned with putting up points to try to cover for Morrows inevitable gaffs and bad pinches, etc etc etc…Someone that can play up in an injury situation without killing us, but can play well with a less pressured role in lower pair….
A few to look at in UFA if they make it to the open market without being re signed by their existing clubs or traded etc…
- Brenden Dillon (may want too much $$ for role and likely wants a bit too much term but will be more reasonable term than some of the big ones looking to cash in like Skjei,Pesce, walker, DeMelo from his same team, etc… but if we don’t intend to keep Orlov past this next year and we do see Nikishin show up and be as advertised, then a 3 year deal may be fine given his current age to play the bridge between things if things don’t perfectly line up timing wise)
- Ekman - Larson
-kulikov
- tj Brodie - looked done and hurt too much - but might take a flyer and cheap deal to play smaller market for a cup to have different experience than the media hell of Toronto
- Forbort
If we don’t expect to hand the spot to Morrow, then we likely do something completely different.. going to be an interesting next couple weeks…..
To give the Borg max cap flexibility, the #6 spot as RHD is Morrow’s to lose. We need 2-3 entry level deals and/or cheaper vet contracts on the third pair and extra 7th dman in the press box to allow for enough salary cap space elsewhere to make a splash on the forwards. You want Morrow to play meaningful minutes (3rd pair very sheltered minutes in 5v5 and then a PP line position to boost his minutes and production overall… basically the dman version of how we used Noesen the last couple seasons) or he needs to be in the minors playing 25 min a night developing so he can take a prominent role in another season or two…
Morrow needs to be back here in Raleigh working out with Slavin and everyone here as hard as he can learning our systems and working with the strength and conditioning guys as much of this summer as possible if he wants to have a shot of earning that roster spot…
If the Borg is all in on Morrow having a guaranteed spot, then I think we are trying to sign a 1-2 year deal with a couple bottom pair left d or bottom pair dmen that can play both sides to rotate or fight for the #5 spot alongside Morrow or sit in the press box as the extra d…. And you want a more stay at home guy who isn’t as concerned with putting up points to try to cover for Morrows inevitable gaffs and bad pinches, etc etc etc…Someone that can play up in an injury situation without killing us, but can play well with a less pressured role in lower pair….
A few to look at in UFA if they make it to the open market without being re signed by their existing clubs or traded etc…
- Brenden Dillon (may want too much $$ for role and likely wants a bit too much term but will be more reasonable term than some of the big ones looking to cash in like Skjei,Pesce, walker, DeMelo from his same team, etc… but if we don’t intend to keep Orlov past this next year and we do see Nikishin show up and be as advertised, then a 3 year deal may be fine given his current age to play the bridge between things if things don’t perfectly line up timing wise)
- Ekman - Larson
-kulikov
- tj Brodie - looked done and hurt too much - but might take a flyer and cheap deal to play smaller market for a cup to have different experience than the media hell of Toronto
- Forbort
If we don’t expect to hand the spot to Morrow, then we likely do something completely different.. going to be an interesting next couple weeks…..
I’d add that there are a couple of other young d-men in the system that could be ready in two years.
This upcoming season, Fensoe, Honka, Heimosalmi, Nystrom, Legault, and Seeley will all be over here. I don't know if we even have an ECHL affiliate in the works now that Norfolk is in the wind. But I can't see them all in Chicago.
However, that doesn't include the 3 Russians (Nikishin, Grudinin, Pelevin) and who knows about 2 out of 3 of those. It also doesn't include Simon Forsmark who I'm pretty high on (and I think I've read somewhere that the organization is too, but can't be sure). So it's not like the cupboard is bare.
Given that this draft is allegedly known for the plethora of pretty good to good defenders, I look for a couple of picks on the blue line at this year's draft. Plus, Nystrom, Forsmark, and Heimosalmi have all be playing with men for at least a season.
However, that doesn't include the 3 Russians (Nikishin, Grudinin, Pelevin) and who knows about 2 out of 3 of those. It also doesn't include Simon Forsmark who I'm pretty high on (and I think I've read somewhere that the organization is too, but can't be sure). So it's not like the cupboard is bare.
Given that this draft is allegedly known for the plethora of pretty good to good defenders, I look for a couple of picks on the blue line at this year's draft. Plus, Nystrom, Forsmark, and Heimosalmi have all be playing with men for at least a season.
robbieberns
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I like Kulikov and Dillon as that 3rd pair LHD. The savings from Skjei and Pesce walking should let us spend a bit more than you would normally like to on a 3rd pairing guy.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Inspired by PLD / Kuemper, how about KK / Demko trade. Lol
We could opt for Gville?
Didn't Checkers/Florida just drop Gville and went with Savannah?
We could opt for Gville?
cptjeff
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I just can't see Morrow having a guaranteed spot. At all. We need to see him with some time in the AHL first, it's incredibly rare for NCAA defensemen to transition right to the NHL. I think we'll have several rookie forwards for the flexibility, but I think we'll bring Pesce back if we at all can.
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