Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[Avery16]

Am I allowed to post articles or excerpts?

It basically just runs down how all these building teams over the years do not win Cups their first time back to the playoffs and that we need to look at our 5v5 struggles and draw the conclusion that, despite having older players like Kreider and Panarin, that we aren't going to either. Patience.

Basically saying no team in the Rangers position coming out of a rebuild and missing the playoffs for a number of years has ever won the cup, and that the most important thing is just to get in an get experience, so don't blow the cupboard out for this year.

And he's not wrong.

Makes sense to me. Thanks.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Basically saying no team in the Rangers position coming out of a rebuild and missing the playoffs for a number of years has ever won the cup, and that the most important thing is just to get in an get experience, so don't blow the cupboard out for this year.

And he's not wrong.

Great so hes writing exactly what we are posting. We have already stated this for the past few years, that Brooks comes on here and steals our content and makes it his own.

Nobody cares what this senile old man has to say anymore. He used to be solid, now he has no insiders, throws shit on the wall to see if it sticks, and makes people pay for his bullshit. Stop reading his bullshit.

 

[Avery16]

Go big or go home.

Miller fits the Coyotes timeline much better. Just sayin…

Their timeline for what, exactly? Arizona doesn’t seem to have much of a plan ever, other than staying near to cap floor.

 

[bleedblue94]

Are Eichel and Martinez on the roster yet? Shuffling your best players on and off IR isn't a recipe for success.

Other than Chicago with the talon blunder which teams have been boxed in to needing to give players away in season to be cap compliant? Where is the history of that?

They can shuffle injured players all they want until the playoffs, but more realistically a team trying to win a cup now will pay to rove certain players from their cap rather than giveaway valuable players that they want to keep for super cheap. All of this is null if it's turns into a deal like Smith brisson and a pick for chytil and Nils, but it's not going to be Smith for a 4th or something like that.

 

[Thirty One]

Other than Chicago with the talon blunder which teams have been boxed in to needing to give players away in season to be cap compliant? Where is the history of that?

Not many teams enter the season over the cap lol.

 

[bleedblue94]

Not many teams enter the season over the cap lol.

Well the idea that Vegas doesn't have a plan to deal with it is silly.

The idea that we are going to benefit from that is just people setting themselves up to be disappointed, again...

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Other than Chicago with the talon blunder which teams have been boxed in to needing to give players away in season to be cap compliant? Where is the history of that?

They can shuffle injured players all they want until the playoffs, but more realistically a team trying to win a cup now will pay to rove certain players from their cap rather than giveaway valuable players that they want to keep for super cheap. All of this is null if it's turns into a deal like Smith brisson and a pick for chytil and Nils, but it's not going to be Smith for a 4th or something like that.

There's also not a history of a super cap strapped team acquiring a 10 million dollar player and removing almost no cap. And that's for a reason.

Didn't say Smith for a 4th. One of the seconds? Yeah sure. But the fact of the matter remains that Vegas has 3 whole months till the playoffs start and these players are coming back, they need to move out salary cap space, and there are very few contending teams that can take Smiths full 5 million dollar salary at the deadline, other than us. If you look at the deadline space each team has right now on cap friendly, in the east the highest amount other than us is the Penguins with 4 million in space. In the west, the only teams with deadline money are the ones that are competing directly with Vegas both for the playoffs and in the playoffs, so Vegas isn't going to want to send him there. Need to move cap + Few teams with available cap space to take them = this guy isn't breaking the bank on a rental trade deadline deal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well the idea that Vegas doesn't have a plan to deal with it is silly.

The idea that we are going to benefit from that is just people setting themselves up to be disappointed, again...

The plan of "just hope people are injured all the time" isn't a plan that is setting up a team for success either in the short term or long term.

 

[duhmetreE]

If he's as unready as you have constantly claimed, why would you have a hard time seeing that?

Or have we just drawn our final conclusions on a 20 year old that he's both not ready now, never will be good enough either, but also good enough to not want to play in the AHL and work on his game?

stop being so defensive abbout Lundkvist.

There's no room for him at RHD unless there's an injury or he plays on the left side. Doubt the kid will be happy being in the AHL for 3 years or being dragged around as the 7th D

 

[DanielBrassard]

I agree with Brooks, the Rangers shouldn't be chasing rentals, seems they do as well. That's why they are looking at Chychrun and Miller, both of who have term left after this season.

 

[Lion Hound]

what type of d is chychrun? and is his last year just an outlier?

There's a thread on the Coyotes board about him. I read through it. Wanted to get a fans perspective on him. Of course that can be skewed if a player is looking to get out of Dodge. Most of the Coyotes fans don't see him as an Elite defenseman, even after a very strong season last year. Most there seem to see him as a top pairing defenseman, or a very solid 3,4 guy.

With that said, last year he was getting similar icetime. Demoted to PP2 currently and he is playin on the 3rd pair with Ilya Lyubuskin. He scored a significant amount from the PP last year. Ghostibhere is up on PP1 for the Yotes now. Chychrun is also Killing penalties with 2nd PK unit. A lot can happen in a year. This seems like a down ear for him. I would assume some of that is due to his future or lack there of with the Coyotes.

Since all the rumors, i have tried to watch him as much as I can. Seems to be linked to the Rangers all season. Cant help but notice his skating off the bat. He moves exceptionally well for a bug guy. Maybe better then any of the Rangers current dmen. Like he just has that stride that seems to be so fluid that he is better then everyone else at it. From a skating standpoint he reminds me of Valdimir Malakhov. He provides a lot of offense from the blueline. His shot i would argue is better then anyone one the Rangers defense currently. He is also very good at finding a lane to get it through. Immediately I thought of how that would factor with guys like Kreider screening the goalie. I think he would be a tremendous boost to the defense at a very affordable contract.

What I don't see, is all the reports that he is a physical player. From his OHL scouts to the now that was in nearly every scouting report of him. I don't know where they get that from? In his last 6 outinds he was crdedited for 2 hits. He dosn't play with the tenacity of Trouba. He doesn't muck it up like Ryan Lindgren. As far as physicality goes I think he is very K' Andre Miller. Like, the type of player that leaves you saying with his size and ability, I wish there was a mean streak to go with it. And if there was, I think you are looking at a top tier defenseman.

I made a Miller comparison in another thread. Miller isn't where Chychrun is as a total package. On the defensive side of the puck, I think K'Andre is going to develop into a beast of a player. It's just a matter of when he himself realizes he is bigger and stronger then 90% of the players he is going to face. I'm very pro Miller, so maybe im a little skewed in saying but I think he's a guy that the Rangers need to hold onto. So from a defensive standpoint, I think Miller is and will be even better then Chychrun. As an offensive defenseman I don't think Miller will ever be close to Chychrun.

For Chychrun from a value perspective Chytil, Kravtsov and a 1st I think would be better then any offer from other clubs. Panthers seem to be hot and heavy for him as well. If they offered Lundell and Spencer Knight thats a hard offer to pass on, but the Panthers don't have a 1st or a 2nd rounder in this years draft, so that could play in the Rangers favor. Not sure where the Kings are in all of this, but dangling one of their top C's could also get the job done. I also think its overpayment from a team that has assets to gain a player with term on a very afforadale contract. Maybe offload a bucket of shit like Nemeth or Tinordi in the deal.

 

[Thirty One]

Well the idea that Vegas doesn't have a plan to deal with it is silly.

The idea that we are going to benefit from that is just people setting themselves up to be disappointed, again...

I'm sure they have a plan. To think that at least the backup plan doesn't involve them moving out players is silly.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Igor better be getting the start against Minnesota & Georgiev against Columbus (Minnesota game is the second half of a back to back). Hank night will be so special for Igor, I rarely see it mentioned but his career is as storybook like as Fox. Shesterkin grew up a Ranger fan who absolutely idolized Hank (you can even see on his IG a post when the Rangers lost in the SCF he posted a pic of Hank with the caption “Still the best” and that was before he was drafted by the Rangers) and then was a late draft pick steal like his idol, by the same team and is on a trajectory to be just as big of a legend. I could see Igor getting a shutout, maybe even scoring a goal Friday night.

 

[McRanger92]

I respect Brooks' opinion but not once in that article did he mention the Rangers cap situation. They cant and wont leave 8 million (36 million in deadline cap space) on the table. I still think a rental F like Smith or rental D to pair with Schneider are likely.

I would also like to see some of the stagnating/redundant assets (Chytil/Kravtsov/Jones or Lundkvist) turned into a player that solidifies the F or D group for a few years. Miller/Chychrun would fit that type of move. Other contending teams have done this at the start of their window.

 

[apoptygma]

For Chychrun from a value perspective Chytil, Kravtsov and a 1st I think would be better then any offer from other clubs. Panthers seem to be hot and heavy for him as well. If they offered Lundell and Spencer Knight thats a hard offer to pass on, but the Panthers don't have a 1st or a 2nd rounder in this years draft, so that could play in the Rangers favor. Not sure where the Kings are in all of this, but dangling one of their top C's could also get the job done. I also think its overpayment from a team that has assets to gain a player with term on a very afforadale contract. Maybe offload a bucket of shit like Nemeth or Tinordi in the deal.

If FLA really are willing to give up Lundell and ARZ really wants some high picks there is a base for a three way trade there that will give FL Chychrun, NYR a young C, and ARZ a number of prospects and picks to restart a real rebuildt.
It's far-fetched, but something along FLE gets Chychrun, NYR gets Lundell and ARZ get Knight + NYR 1. rounder + one of Lundkvist/Kravtsov/Chytil (ARZ pick 1).

 

[McRanger92]

Igor better be getting the start against Minnesota & Georgiev against Columbus (Minnesota game is the second half of a back to back). Hank night will be so special for Igor, I rarely see it mentioned but his career is as storybook like as Fox. Shesterkin grew up a Ranger fan who absolutely idolized Hank (you can even see on his IG a post when the Rangers lost in the SCF he posted a pic of Hank with the caption “Still the best” and that was before he was drafted by the Rangers) and then was a late draft pick steal like his idol, by the same team and is on a trajectory to be just as big of a legend. I could see Igor getting a shutout, maybe even scoring a goal Friday night.

Totally agree and history shows that Georgiev will get the front end of the back to back

 

[Alluckks]

Kreider or McDonagh must be included for Nash
Sergachev or Foote must be included for McDonagh
Dvorak or Strome must be included for Stepan

Just this off-season look at all teams' around the league stinginess with their top prospects, from the Eichel trade to even Buchnevich being shopped around

I'd be shocked if either Schneider or Othmann are dealt.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Kreider or McDonagh must be included for Nash
Sergachev or Foote must be included for McDonagh
Dvorak or Strome must be included for Stepan

Just this off-season look at all teams' around the league stinginess with their top prospects, from the Eichel trade to even Buchnevich being shopped around

I'd be shocked if either Schneider or Othmann are dealt.

There's a thing on HF - If you're willing to give up that player, the other team's fans rarely want it and want something else. For the Rangers, we just have so many of these guys that we can afford to trade Nils et al.

 

[JimmyG89]

I know we are talking Chychrun, but another player for the Coyotes that wouldn't be a bad fit is Johan Larsson. Obviously playing a lot more minutes than he has in the past, but he could be a good 3C for this team. Don't think he'd cost very much either. Is someone that kills penalties as well. He'd be an upgrade at 4C as well if they want to run something like Rooney-Larsson-Reaves/Hunt.

Never a bad idea to have extra center depth, especially after losing Chytil recently. Larsson can also play on the wing. FA at the end of the year. Probably a 3rd rounder gets it done.

 

[bbny]

If FLA really are willing to give up Lundell and ARZ really wants some high picks there is a base for a three way trade there that will give FL Chychrun, NYR a young C, and ARZ a number of prospects and picks to restart a real rebuildt.
It's far-fetched, but something along FLE gets Chychrun, NYR gets Lundell and ARZ get Knight + NYR 1. rounder + one of Lundkvist/Kravtsov/Chytil (ARZ pick 1).

Don’t post that on the main boards. You’ll get crucified. NYR makes out like bandits. Florida gets reamed. They probably won’t give that much for Chychrun, but even if they do, they won’t be finding a way to hand the Rangers a probable top 6 center for the next 10-15 years in order to make it happen.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Totally agree and history shows that Georgiev will get the front end of the back to back

Igor better be getting the start against Minnesota & Georgiev against Columbus (Minnesota game is the second half of a back to back). Hank night will be so special for Igor, I rarely see it mentioned but his career is as storybook like as Fox. Shesterkin grew up a Ranger fan who absolutely idolized Hank (you can even see on his IG a post when the Rangers lost in the SCF he posted a pic of Hank with the caption “Still the best” and that was before he was drafted by the Rangers) and then was a late draft pick steal like his idol, by the same team and is on a trajectory to be just as big of a legend. I could see Igor getting a shutout, maybe even scoring a goal Friday night.

Holy shit never realized he grew up a Rangers fan!

 

[MrAlmost]

God damn this league is boring.

 

[duhmetreE]

Igor better be getting the start against Minnesota & Georgiev against Columbus (Minnesota game is the second half of a back to back). Hank night will be so special for Igor, I rarely see it mentioned but his career is as storybook like as Fox. Shesterkin grew up a Ranger fan who absolutely idolized Hank (you can even see on his IG a post when the Rangers lost in the SCF he posted a pic of Hank with the caption “Still the best” and that was before he was drafted by the Rangers) and then was a late draft pick steal like his idol, by the same team and is on a trajectory to be just as big of a legend. I could see Igor getting a shutout, maybe even scoring a goal Friday night.

Looking for a Gordie Howe Hat trick myself

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't see Arizona pulling Knight or Lundell.

Florida's 2nd tier of guys are pretty good too though.

 

[McRanger92]

Holy shit never realized he grew up a Rangers fan!

I think he was a Hank fan more than anything