Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[duhmetreE]

Florida would be real real dumb to trade Lundell.

Knight on the other hand, I could see.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I think he was a Hank fan more than anything

still counts!

 

[Alluckks]

I'd guess the offer from Drury was something like Kravstov + Lundkvist + 2022 1st

I could see Kravstov being upgraded to Chytil in that offer, or maybe even Chytil added as a swap for Crouse

Also could give them a choice of D prospect between Lundkvist, Robertson, and Jones; but I bet with those adds that Drury asks to make the 2022 1st conditional on the Rangers making round 2 of the playoffs or something to that effect

Maybe Arizona doesn't want Kravstov at all because then they think he wouldn't come over for Arizona (and they may be right). Swap in a guy like Cuylle? Gauthier? Arizona still needs to field a team out there, and the idea of them being relocated has to be a thought in the back of the mind there.

Lundkvist/Jones + Chytil + Gauthier + 2022 1st for Chychrun and Crouse?

 

[bhamill]

I agree with Brooks, the Rangers shouldn't be chasing rentals, seems they do as well. That's why they are looking at Chychrun and Miller, both of who have term left after this season.

Well, Miller isn't a traditional rental, but he's still a rental in my way of thinking, I don't think NYR are paying him so he's traded next season or walks. In any case I certainly don't see him as a long term add, and they should only be spending prime assets on long term adds.

I respect Brooks' opinion but not once in that article did he mention the Rangers cap situation. They cant and wont leave 8 million (36 million in deadline cap space) on the table. I still think a rental F like Smith or rental D to pair with Schneider are likely.

I would also like to see some of the stagnating/redundant assets (Chytil/Kravtsov/Jones or Lundkvist) turned into a player that solidifies the F or D group for a few years. Miller/Chychrun would fit that type of move. Other contending teams have done this at the start of their window.

There are other ways to use cap space effectively, for instance take bad contracts (that end with this season), with assets also coming to NYR, from someone like Vegas that needs the cap room for a player returning from LTIR, or from a team trying to make a deadline deal that needs cap space to do it.

 

[apoptygma]

Don’t post that on the main boards. You’ll get crucified. NYR makes out like bandits. Florida gets reamed. They probably won’t give that much for Chychrun, but even if they do, they won’t be finding a way to hand the Rangers a probable top 6 center for the next 10-15 years in order to make it happen.

Yeah, its just me day-dreaming. Have read a bit on the main boards now, and is as expected that FLA does not want to give up Lundell, and ARZ would not give him up if they could get him.

 

[Synergy27]

If FLA really are willing to give up Lundell and ARZ really wants some high picks there is a base for a three way trade there that will give FL Chychrun, NYR a young C, and ARZ a number of prospects and picks to restart a real rebuildt.
It's far-fetched, but something along FLE gets Chychrun, NYR gets Lundell and ARZ get Knight + NYR 1. rounder + one of Lundkvist/Kravtsov/Chytil (ARZ pick 1).

This is the scenario I hope plays out. I’d be willing to seriously up the ante to acquire Lundell.

Chychrun to FLA straight up for Lundell. This lessens the blow for FLA by not having to add to a prospect they don’t want to trade in the first place.

Lundell to NYR for Kakko + 1st or Chytil or Lundkvist (or some other D prospect AZ happens to like more).

I wouldn’t add VK to Kakko. We need RWs. But Lundell was LOVED by the Ranger staff and fills a major organizational need, hence my willingness to “overpay”.

 

[McRanger92]

Well, Miller isn't a traditional rental, but he's still a rental in my way of thinking, I don't think NYR are paying him so he's traded next season or walks. In any case I certainly don't see him as a long term add, and they should only be spending prime assets on long term adds.



There are other ways to use cap space effectively, for instance take bad contracts (that end with this season), with assets also coming to NYR, from someone like Vegas that needs the cap room for a player returning from LTIR, or from a team trying to make a deadline deal that needs cap space to do it.

Im perfectly fine with getting someone like Smith or McNabb from Vegas if the opportunity presents itself

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Florida would be real real dumb to trade Lundell.

Knight on the other hand, I could see.

If they're willing to move Knight they're going to be tough to beat.

Denisenko/Tippet/Samoskevich are very much on par with the group of Nils/Chytil/Jones/Kravtsov.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I would be completely shocked if the Panthers dealt Lundell, even for Chychrun.

He is 7th among their forwards in 5v5 ice time per game. He is their #1 forward for PK TOI (edit - PK not PP).

Oh and they are trying to win a Stanley Cup this season.

To the extent that there ever was a ship, and not an inflatable pool raft from the dollar store, it has sailed.

 

[McRanger92]

I'd guess the offer from Drury was something like Kravstov + Lundkvist + 2022 1st

I could see Kravstov being upgraded to Chytil in that offer, or maybe even Chytil added as a swap for Crouse

Also could give them a choice of D prospect between Lundkvist, Robertson, and Jones; but I bet with those adds that Drury asks to make the 2022 1st conditional on the Rangers making round 2 of the playoffs or something to that effect

Maybe Arizona doesn't want Kravstov at all because then they think he wouldn't come over for Arizona (and they may be right). Swap in a guy like Cuylle? Gauthier? Arizona still needs to field a team out there, and the idea of them being relocated has to be a thought in the back of the mind there.

Lundkvist/Jones + Chytil + Gauthier + 2022 1st for Chychrun and Crouse?

Switch Gauthier to kravtsov and the value seems close

 

[CommaSynapse]

I would be completely shocked if the Panthers dealt Lundell, even for Chychrun.

He is 7th among their forwards in 5v5 ice time per game. He is their #1 forward for PP TOI.

Oh and they are trying to win a Stanley Cup this season.

To the extent that there ever was a ship, and not an inflatable pool raft from the dollar store, it has sailed.

He was also excelling in defensive deployment. He's going to be a special player for them.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would be completely shocked if the Panthers dealt Lundell, even for Chychrun.

He is 7th among their forwards in 5v5 ice time per game. He is their #1 forward for PP TOI.

Oh and they are trying to win a Stanley Cup this season.

To the extent that there ever was a ship, and not an inflatable pool raft from the dollar store, it has sailed.

Not only that, they've got 2 significant contract raises kicking in next season and like 5 mill in cap space going into next season.

They need cheap players.

 

[bl02]

Yeah the Panthers are not trading Knight or Lundell. Both are important for them now and future. I'm far from sold that Bob won't have any hiccups in the playoffs. They will need Knight at some point.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

On the Hockey News podcast the other day one of their reporters claimed his Florida team insiders say that the Panthers’ are in on Chychrun in a big way.
Chychrun is a Florida kid who played for the Junior Panthers.
We will see.
If we lose out to them, Drury might be able to then make Phoenix an offer for Lundell if he believes he would be a good fit.

 

[bhamill]

Im perfectly fine with getting someone like Smith or McNabb from Vegas if the opportunity presents itself

It all depends on the price.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm sure they have a plan. To think that at least the backup plan doesn't involve them moving out players is silly.

I never said they wouldnt move players out. Why do people on this board constantly try to manipulate the words of others and misrepresent what is said. I said multiple times that for vegas smith has been a key player and someone that has been better for them in the playoffs, he is a player they would want to keep for their run this year. I said if you want smith he isnt coming cheap as some have suggested.

Furthermore I said it would probably make more sense for vegas to pay to get dadanov out and potentially pay a team like arz or seattle to retain some salary for 1.5 years to help facilitate a dadanov trade to another team so they can keep smith.

Everyone here seems to know vegas so well, and many of these people are the same ones that claime vegas was absolutely out on eichel when it traded for dadanov in the summer. Vegas is going to vegas and they are going to find a way to make the money work, and that will absolutely involve moving bodies, but stop pretending NYR is getting smith for a massive discount as has been suggested here repeatedly...

 

[cheech70]

Next level?? Filip. Jones and 1st?

 

[Lion Hound]

Next level?? Filip. Jones and 1st?

Scaring me when I see this stuff. Hope Kakko isn't in on this.

 

[Alluckks]

Next level?? Filip. Jones and 1st?

Seravalli just seems like a cheap knockoff off Bobby Mac

What the hell does this vagueness even mean. What is worth giving this guy info if he just writes generic tabloids with it

 

[mas0764]

stop being so defensive abbout Lundkvist.

Maybe stop posting ridiculous takes about him?

There's no room for him at RHD unless there's an injury or he plays on the left side. Doubt the kid will be happy being in the AHL for 3 years or being dragged around as the 7th D

It was 2 years before, now it's 3?

There are some people on here, I dunno if they've compartmentalized it into Schneider v. Lundkvist, or whether it's an anti-Euro thing, or they think he's a finesse offensive D-man who won't be able to defend (untrue), or what, but the takes on Lundkvist are so hot that it will burn your eyes out reading them.

The amount of ridiculous trades I've seen where he's a throw-in to a rental or a third line grinder are insane.

He remains a hot property and a likely top-4 defender some day just like Schneider. IF Schneider has passed him on the right side depth chart due to team preference of play style, Lundkvist remains an elite asset that should be parlayed into an elite return, either by himself for a young forward/center of similar top-6 upside, or in a package for a 1C.

Some of the garbage returns I've seen proposed by the people who are ready to rush him out of the organization are just delirious.

He may be traded. It shoudn't be for nothing.

And as a stupid talented kid, there's a decent chance he CAN move to the left side and play there.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Next level just means that they may have expressed more/stronger interest than other teams.

Seravalli isn't some schmuck. When he speaks, it would behoove you to listen. This doesn't mean Kakko or Laf are getting traded. It could mean that they've made Nils available.

 

[mas0764]

Florida would be real real dumb to trade Lundell.

Knight on the other hand, I could see.

If Lundell was to become available we should hack the phone lines to get in on that conversation.

 

[Thirty One]

I never said they wouldnt move players out. Why do people on this board constantly try to manipulate the words of others and misrepresent what is said. I said multiple times that for vegas smith has been a key player and someone that has been better for them in the playoffs, he is a player they would want to keep for their run this year. I said if you want smith he isnt coming cheap as some have suggested.

Furthermore I said it would probably make more sense for vegas to pay to get dadanov out and potentially pay a team like arz or seattle to retain some salary for 1.5 years to help facilitate a dadanov trade to another team so they can keep smith.

Everyone here seems to know vegas so well, and many of these people are the same ones that claime vegas was absolutely out on eichel when it traded for dadanov in the summer. Vegas is going to vegas and they are going to find a way to make the money work, and that will absolutely involve moving bodies, but stop pretending NYR is getting smith for a massive discount as has been suggested here repeatedly...

Yes, looking back, I clearly did not have a grasp on what you were saying. I thought you were saying they wouldn't trade Smith. What you said is they wouldn't give Smith away. I apologize to you and your family and vow to do better.

 

[bobbop]

Basically saying no team in the Rangers position coming out of a rebuild and missing the playoffs for a number of years has ever won the cup, and that the most important thing is just to get in an get experience, so don't blow the cupboard out for this year.

And he's not wrong.

The 2010 Chicago Blackhawks would like to have a word with you

 

[duhmetreE]

Maybe stop posting ridiculous takes about him?



It was 2 years before, now it's 3?

There are some people on here, I dunno if they've compartmentalized it into Schneider v. Lundkvist, or whether it's an anti-Euro thing, or they think he's a finesse offensive D-man who won't be able to defend (untrue), or what, but the takes on Lundkvist are so hot that it will burn your eyes out reading them.

The amount of ridiculous trades I've seen where he's a throw-in to a rental or a third line grinder are insane.

He remains a hot property and a likely top-4 defender some day just like Schneider. IF Schneider has passed him on the right side depth chart due to team preference of play style, Lundkvist remains an elite asset that should be parlayed into an elite return, either by himself for a young forward/center of similar top-6 upside, or in a package for a 1C.

Some of the garbage returns I've seen proposed by the people who are ready to rush him out of the organization are just delirious.

He may be traded. It shoudn't be for nothing.

And as a stupid talented kid, there's a decent chance he CAN move to the left side and play there.

yeah it's 3. 1 being this year. 2 upcoming seasons. 3 seasons in the AHL or 7th D.

No one has ridiculous takes on Nils. He's no where near as good as what you thought and sold him as. Let go. He may get there eventually but not now. As we speak he's #4 on the depth chart. You could argue Jones being right there with him.