Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[mas0764]

It's time to turn Chytil into a good young NHL player... as in package him and trade him

Proposal?

 

[duhmetreE]

No, please god no. Get an established NHL player. I don't want to get another kid and watch him die on this team as well. Our track record is too awful recently to think that bringing in another young player is going to fix anything.

problem with that is, cost. We need someone affordable.

 

[duhmetreE]

Proposal?

Chytil+ for Hagel

Another nice option would be Yamamoto from Edmonton...

 

[Synergy27]

Krav for vilardi as the bases of the deal would be great.. he’s got potential just hasn’t put it together yet

Absolutely zero interest in becoming an even worse skating team.

We have a glaring hole at the top line RW and we have a highly skilled, cost controlled prospect just waiting for us in the K. Plugging VK into Buch’s old spot next to Mika is so obvious that I don’t even want to type it.

Bring VK back. Trade surplus D for a speedy, 25ish yo 2 way center. Maybe upgrade Nemeth with someone decent and cheap.

 

[HonestGabe]

Absolutely zero interest in becoming an even worse skating team.

We have a glaring hole at the top line RW and we have a highly skilled, cost controlled prospect just waiting for us in the K. Plugging VK into Buch’s old spot next to Mika is so obvious that I don’t even want to type it.

Bring VK back. Trade surplus D for a speedy, 25ish yo 2 way center. Maybe upgrade Nemeth with someone decent and cheap.

Unfortunately that isn't going to happen because the player doesn't want to be here. We need to let go of this fantasy of Kravtsov coming back.

What kind of example for your organization does it set when a prospect is told he needs a few weeks of conditioning to get back to the big club and he refuses to report, demands a trade, bolts to Russia and then comes back to a nice cozy first line spot with 20 mins a night waiting for him?

People need to understand that hockey is not all about graphs and plugging players into open roles. This team is trying to build an identity and a culture and that means nothing if you let a player who pissed in the face of that right back into the lineup like nothing happened.

Accountability is important and Kravtsov has shown very little of it. He may mature and still be a very good player in this league (I think he will) but both parties are best served moving on.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kravtsov won't play here again.

Unless the attitude changes, I dont see him sticking in this league very long no matter where he ends up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There is zero chance the Rangers have their eyes on Hagel.

When was the last time the organization made a move like that? They only trade for Stars, 4th liners or reclamation projects.

 

[bobbop]

Sorry I missed that. This thread is moving like crazy, wasn't trying to steal your info.

Just to be clear, I posted this about a month ago. One of my Coyote peeps tipped me off that Chychrun’s father (former NHLer Jeff) has told the Coyotes to move Jacob. The family is very unhappy with the tear down. I wasn’t posting anything I heard.

 

[bobbop]

what type of d is chychrun? and is his last year just an outlier?

Excellent all around player.

I think he was playing hurt earlier this year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Just to be clear, I posted this about a month ago. One of my Coyote peeps tipped me off that Chychrun’s father (former NHLer Jeff) has told the Coyotes to move Jacob. The family is very unhappy with the tear down. I wasn’t posting anything I heard.

That organization is a tire fire, top to bottom.

 

[duhmetreE]

There is zero chance the Rangers have their eyes on Hagel.

When was the last time the organization made a move like that? They only trade for Stars, 4th liners or reclamation projects.

they are almost forced to.

but Yamamoto would be more in line with Sather... he loves his former 1st rounders

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Excellent all around player.

I think he was playing hurt earlier this year.

Which fit would be better for him - Fox or Trouba?

 

[bleedblue94]

LA could get equal value if Drury is thinking about trading Miller + Kravtsov. If Drury does go for Chychrun then Miller becomes movable, Miller and Chychrun both are too good for a third pairing role and Miller is no more a fit playing for the Coyotes in their current state than Chychrun is. That's the point of this approach to make all three parties happy.

For example:

NYR nets: Chychrun, Turcotte or Kupari + ARI 2nd round pick (one of the zillions they have).
ARI nets: Chytil, Turcotte/Kupari, Jones/Robertson, 1st (LA) - upgrade on the NYR pick
LA nets: Miller, Kravtsov

NYR gives up: Miller, Kravtsov, Chytil, Jones/Robertson (2 roster players; gain 2 roster players)
LA gives up: Turcotte, Kupari, 1st (no roster player; gain two roster players)
ARI gives up: Chychrun + 2nd '22 (one roster player, gain several)

Anyway obviously this is just a thought experiment. LA have tons of prospects that they can't fit or simply doesn't really fit their style (Kupari had a long look but didn't stick, Turcotte's struggled to break in, no doubt many LA fans see it differently).

I guess I just don't understand why LA helps us get chychurn. They have enough to get chychurn and then separately trade for a winger like kravtsov.

 

[bobbop]

Which fit would be better for him - Fox or Trouba?

Probably Trouba

 

[Boris Zubov]

they are almost forced to.

but Yamamoto would be more in line with Sather... he loves his former 1st rounders

Yuck.

 

[bleedblue94]

Just to be clear, I posted this about a month ago. One of my Coyote peeps tipped me off that Chychrun’s father (former NHLer Jeff) has told the Coyotes to move Jacob. The family is very unhappy with the tear down. I wasn’t posting anything I heard.

Yeah I definitely didn't remember that, but as per the norm you are right on about the coyotes!

 

[duhmetreE]

Which fit would be better for him - Fox or Trouba?

why stack a pair when we can get a strong 48 minutes out of our top4? We need the puck movement spread out

 

[duhmetreE]

Yuck.

at least he can skate.

we need a sparkplug on this team.... I dont want to wait for Berard

 

[bleedblue94]

His cap hit next year makes him a no go. And as much as people believe that Smith is going to be expensive, let's remember that the Knights NEED to move out an incredible amount of money and can't take any back, and other teams absolutely know that. Rangers are one of only a handful of teams that can easily take his full deal.

As I said elsewhere, if Vegas wants to sit h dadanov they (Vegas) can pay the fee to a team like arz or Seattle to retain some dead cap for 1.5 years to facilitate a trade if they prefer.

For all the comments that Vegas MUST trade someone, we've seen two clear examples of cup winners that didn't need to do it and it worked out. There's still plenty of time for someone out there to end up on ltir with a sprained pinky to buy them time. They aren't as desperate as people want them to be and Kelly Mac is an extremely thoughtful and patient guy. No panic moves there.

 

[bleedblue94]

Chytil+ for Hagel

Another nice option would be Yamamoto from Edmonton...

I know YOU want these players, but who is Chicago or Edmonton trading those players?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

As I said elsewhere, if Vegas wants to sit h dadanov they (Vegas) can pay the fee to a team like arz or Seattle to retain some dead cap for 1.5 years to facilitate a trade if they prefer.

For all the comments that Vegas MUST trade someone, we've seen two clear examples of cup winners that didn't need to do it and it worked out. There's still plenty of time for someone out there to end up on ltir with a sprained pinky to buy them time. They aren't as desperate as people want them to be and Kelly Mac is an extremely thoughtful and patient guy. No panic moves there.

Lightning were able to do that in a shortened COVID season. Both Eichel and Martinez will be ready sometime next month. This season goes all the way to the end of April this year. They absolutely need to trade bodies and cannot take any salary back. Also Dadonov has a M-NTC so he won't be as easy to just dump on some team.

I don't know if I would call Mackcrimmon paitient and thoughtful. No serious GM builds their team like this.

 

[zlev]

yeah why is Chicago trading Hagel? he's 23 and has more goals than Kane this season.

 

[duhmetreE]

I know YOU want these players, but who is Chicago or Edmonton trading those players?

who knows what Chicago wants. Chytil+?

Edmonton needs depth and a goalie. Chytil, Rooney, Georgiev etc.

A trade could be worked out

 

[Alluckks]

Difference between Hunt and Debrusk is Hunt is signed for 1 more year at $760K while Debrusk is an arbitration eligible RFA this summer who's qualifying offer I believe is $3.7MM. Think that might be a bit too pricey with the Rangers cap situation next season and to possibly play him on the 4th line.

I just wouldn't qualify him then

 

[bleedblue94]

Lightning were able to do that in a shortened COVID season. Both Eichel and Martinez will be ready sometime next month. This season goes all the way to the end of April this year. They absolutely need to trade bodies and cannot take any salary back. Also Dadonov has a M-NTC so he won't be as easy to just dump on some team.

I don't know if I would call Mackcrimmon paitient and thoughtful. No serious GM builds their team like this.

He's helped build an elite team in a minute. They have constantly made things work. People need to stop acting like Jason botterill is the gm there or something...