Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[smoneil]

I know the rangers probably prefer smith Dr Vegas, but if I'm Vegas I am probably trying to unload dadanov right now. Would people have interest in him?

His hit is 5mil this year and next but he certainly would not cost nearly as much as Smith. In fact you might be able to pass him through a 3rd team for retention and have the knights pay for the retention just to get him off their books. Could become a very cheap mid 6 winger for nyr

I'd prefer Smith from Vegas, but only if the price is bargain basement cheap. Otherwise, if we're in on Chychrun anyway, just expand that to get Kessel thrown in. He's got an expiring contract, is still good for secondary scoring, and has a great track record in the playoffs.

You could then run (depending, obviously, on what we lose in return):

Kreider Zibanejad Kessel
Bread Strome Chytil/Kakko
Laf Barron Chytil/Kakko
Goodrow Rooney Reaves/Hunt

Lindgren Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Miller Schneider

Shesterkin


I still don't see them being a real threat to win the Cup due to playoff inexperience throughout the roster, but they could definitely win a round or two.

 

[CLW]

Listening to Friedman and Marek they let slip at one point that chychurn's family is not happy and that they wanted a move. I'm sure that spills over into the player as well. I just think it was time, he's a great young player but he probably doesn't want to piss away is young prime years while the coyotes go through another rebuild. It's becoming obvious that they are targeting competing again in 3 or 4 years once they have hopefully a new arena wind up wherever that is. He almost assuredly doesn't want to sit around and waste a lot of good years on that waiting around

This. His days are numbered with the Yotes and his value will never be higher than at this TDL. Bill Armstrong drives a hard bargain and is no doubt asking for those infamous "blue chip" prospects, on the other hand they have nothing to gain on holding out for too long either as the returns might diminish further. Chychrun was awesome last year, but that was in a covid division against the same teams over and over. This year not so much.

I wonder if some complicated Rangers - Kings - Yotes trade is brewing.

 

[Paul Padovano]

So with Kakko moved to the IR, he's now week to week. Chytil still day to day. I hope Kakko didn't have a head injury or anything like that. Seems like it could be a while.

 

[Alluckks]

Panarin on the top line makes sense. Stick Laf with Strome and let them focus on getting a lot of offensive zone starts. Goodrow takes 3C and give him a 2 way winger that can control play/possession. Kakko was thriving with takeaways for most of the season, he could play on either 2nd or 3rd line.

Hajek playing tonight was interesting. Possibly a showcase to move for someone like Debrusk? Just like a show-me game. Debrusk is a fine reclamation project of someone who could play hard on the 4th line. I see him as a better Hunt.

I get the sense that we are hard after Chychrun. Chytil makes sense a piece going there.

 

[bleedblue94]

I think I posted that a while ago.

Sorry I missed that. This thread is moving like crazy, wasn't trying to steal your info.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'd prefer Smith from Vegas, but only if the price is bargain basement cheap. Otherwise, if we're in on Chychrun anyway, just expand that to get Kessel thrown in. He's got an expiring contract, is still good for secondary scoring, and has a great track record in the playoffs.

You could then run (depending, obviously, on what we lose in return):

Kreider Zibanejad Kessel
Bread Strome Chytil/Kakko
Laf Barron Chytil/Kakko
Goodrow Rooney Reaves/Hunt

Lindgren Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Miller Schneider

Shesterkin


I still don't see them being a real threat to win the Cup due to playoff inexperience throughout the roster, but they could definitely win a round or two.

I in no way thing Smith will be cheap out of Vegas. I know people want that to be the case, but I just don't think that will be the reality.

 

[bleedblue94]

This. His days are numbered with the Yotes and his value will never be higher than at this TDL. Bill Armstrong drives a hard bargain and is no doubt asking for those infamous "blue chip" prospects, on the other hand they have nothing to gain on holding out for too long either as the returns might diminish further. Chychrun was awesome last year, but that was in a covid division against the same teams over and over. This year not so much.

I wonder if some complicated Rangers - Kings - Yotes trade is brewing.

To your last point, I doubt it. The kings want chychrun, nyr would be bidding against la for him. The only three way would be if Miller is going to la and the yotes are getting players from la, but nyr wants la's centers as well so it doesn't make any sense. A three way isn't really practical here

 

[QJL]

Chychrun costs too much. The need is at forward.

We struggle at even strength. Guess who is second in the league in even strength goals? Tomas Hertl

 

[CLW]

To your last point, I doubt it. The kings want chychrun, nyr would be bidding against la for him. The only three way would be if Miller is going to la and the yotes are getting players from la, but nyr wants la's centers as well so it doesn't make any sense. A three way isn't really practical here

I heard LA were interested in Kravtsov. I think Bill Armstrong has a type, and Kravtsov isn't really that. Rumors have it Drury offered Kravtsov to the Yotes as part of the Chychrun package, but if LA want to intercept that deal and get Kravtsov and a D from either the Rangers or from the Yotes things start to look different. That opens the possibility of a series of trades to get the pieces to fit for all three teams.

 

[Vitto79]

Chychrun costs too much. The need is at forward.

We struggle at even strength. Guess who is second in the league in even strength goals? Tomas Hertl

my concern W Hertl is he’s gonna get buried on a 3rd line

Prefer a RW top 6 and a vet faceoff C

 

[HonestGabe]

Our 2nds for Reilly Smith
Nils, Chytil, Robertson, Nemeth, 1st for Jakub Chychrun + Larson
Krav and a piece for Turcotte/Vilardi

do it.

Panarin Zibanejad Kreider
Lafreniere Strome Kakko
Gauthier Goodrow Smith
Hunt Rooney Barron/Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Miller Schneider
Jones/Hajek

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Panarin on the top line makes sense. Stick Laf with Strome and let them focus on getting a lot of offensive zone starts. Goodrow takes 3C and give him a 2 way winger that can control play/possession. Kakko was thriving with takeaways for most of the season, he could play on either 2nd or 3rd line.

Hajek playing tonight was interesting. Possibly a showcase to move for someone like Debrusk? Just like a show-me game. Debrusk is a fine reclamation project of someone who could play hard on the 4th line. I see him as a better Hunt.

I get the sense that we are hard after Chychrun. Chytil makes sense a piece going there.

Difference between Hunt and Debrusk is Hunt is signed for 1 more year at $760K while Debrusk is an arbitration eligible RFA this summer who's qualifying offer I believe is $3.7MM. Think that might be a bit too pricey with the Rangers cap situation next season and to possibly play him on the 4th line.

 

[bleedblue94]

I heard LA were interested in Kravtsov. I think Bill Armstrong has a type, and Kravtsov isn't really that. Rumors have it Drury offered Kravtsov to the Yotes as part of the Chychrun package, but if LA want to intercept that deal and get Kravtsov and a D from either the Rangers or from the Yotes things start to look different. That opens the possibility of a series of trades to get the pieces to fit for all three teams.

Yeah everyone has heard the same stuff, but the thing is that la's interest in kravtsov will almost assuredly be at a different level than their interest in a top pairing d who is actually playing in the NHL. If you were la, where is your priority, and are you willing to
Pass on the opportunity to land chychurn in order to get kravtsov and a secondary d prospect?

If la also wants chychrun they are going to take a run at him, not be a third team in a deal that sees the rangers land him. It would be like the rangers being a third team involved in the eichel trade.

 

[tlk]

Kreids - Zib - ???
Bread - Chyt - Kakko
Laf - ???/Strome - Goody
??? - Kevin!!! - Reavo

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Chychrun costs too much. The need is at forward.

We struggle at even strength. Guess who is second in the league in even strength goals? Tomas Hertl

Yeah, but we also struggle mightily with the break out.

 

[Anthony5967]

Kreids - Zib - ???
Bread - Chyt - Kakko
Laf - ???/Strome - Goody
??? - Kevin!!! - Reavo

Gotta stop, not just you, but everybody with the Chytil with Panarin shiiiihhhhh. Strome is Panarin's butter. Chytil is probably no longer a fit here. Rangers have young RW's coming and he's not really a checking line C or North/South player.

 

[tlk]

Gotta stop, not just you, but everybody with the Chytil with Panarin shiiiihhhhh. Strome is Panarin's butter. Chytil is probably no longer a fit here. Rangers have young RW's coming and he's not really a checking line C or North/South player.

Strome is a known quantity. We're used to trading known quantities (Fast, Buch) away to our own detriment. With him tho, we're about to overpay for some sub-par quality.
OTOH, Bread's line could do with a bit of speed and strength.

Bread's been on 3 diff teams with 3 v. diff lines, no need to tie him to Strome as his one and only butter.

 

[cd211]

Krav for vilardi as the bases of the deal would be great.. he’s got potential just hasn’t put it together yet

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Krav for vilardi as the bases of the deal would be great.. he’s got potential just hasn’t put it together yet

Eh. I think the Kings would have to add.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I in no way thing Smith will be cheap out of Vegas. I know people want that to be the case, but I just don't think that will be the reality.

I dunno, depends on what cheap means but LGK will need to shed salary quickly and not many teams on the buy side of the deadline can take on 5 mil free and clear. So it’s a move they have to make and we could be the only buyers, that will be cheap considering

 

[surlysailor]

I would keep Kravtsov to deal to LA for a young center. They are interested

I know everyone will want turcotte but doubt he’ll be the return. I think either JAD or vlardi makes a ton of sense. Both about a ppg in the ahl and not enough room with the big club.

 

[CLW]

Yeah everyone has heard the same stuff, but the thing is that la's interest in kravtsov will almost assuredly be at a different level than their interest in a top pairing d who is actually playing in the NHL. If you were la, where is your priority, and are you willing to
Pass on the opportunity to land chychurn in order to get kravtsov and a secondary d prospect?

If la also wants chychrun they are going to take a run at him, not be a third team in a deal that sees the rangers land him. It would be like the rangers being a third team involved in the eichel trade.

LA could get equal value if Drury is thinking about trading Miller + Kravtsov. If Drury does go for Chychrun then Miller becomes movable, Miller and Chychrun both are too good for a third pairing role and Miller is no more a fit playing for the Coyotes in their current state than Chychrun is. That's the point of this approach to make all three parties happy.

For example:

NYR nets: Chychrun, Turcotte or Kupari + ARI 2nd round pick (one of the zillions they have).
ARI nets: Chytil, Turcotte/Kupari, Jones/Robertson, 1st (LA) - upgrade on the NYR pick
LA nets: Miller, Kravtsov

NYR gives up: Miller, Kravtsov, Chytil, Jones/Robertson (2 roster players; gain 2 roster players)
LA gives up: Turcotte, Kupari, 1st (no roster player; gain two roster players)
ARI gives up: Chychrun + 2nd '22 (one roster player, gain several)

Anyway obviously this is just a thought experiment. LA have tons of prospects that they can't fit or simply doesn't really fit their style (Kupari had a long look but didn't stick, Turcotte's struggled to break in, no doubt many LA fans see it differently).

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Miller has been really really good for Vancouver, that's why they don't want to give him up for "cheap"

Yup, but a buyers market is shaping up. Every day Drury squats in the bush, he gets stronger.

 

[rangers1314]

I think you just layout the combos that have worked the best and go from there filling in blanks,

Kreider - Zib - X
Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Laf - X - X
Rooney - Goodrow - Reaves

Goat, Fil, Hunt, Barron are you "fill in the blanks" guys. For now anyway.

Get a goddamn 3C here. We know Drury sees it as an area of need as they went hard for Danault over the summer. It's only gotten more glaring with Fil's dud season.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Most of the discussion is in here. I love that a response said Schneider isn't a good enough prospect so a first needs to be added, too.

The real Josh Kang, lol, like imposters are lining up to dummy his account.