His play fluctuates between a 2-3 guy. No more, no less, and more importantly, no need for an advanced stats ideology to tell you otherwise. There are flaws in his game. There are flaws in hockey analytics.
Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?
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His play fluctuates between a 2-3 guy. No more, no less, and more importantly, no need for an advanced stats ideology to tell you otherwise. There are flaws in his game. There are flaws in hockey analytics.
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No pls stop trading the youth.
Zuc or bust, and if we want to back scratch on a separate deal for Ana to get cap relief, we do that.
Nieves may be another Kreider, and Miller is more versatile than Zuc; need JT when Stepan is moved.
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Zucc makes too much money for the Ducks. The whole reason they are interested in trading a D is to save cap to sign Lindholm. Miller+ for Vatanen makes much more sense.
And LOL @ "Nieves being another Kreider." Sure buddy...
Not really.
This defence would be horrendous without Fowler - EVEN if it meant Lindholm were signed.
To have a snowballs' chance in hell, Anaheim needs them both.
Fowler is a low-end #1 or a high-end #2.
Vatanen is a #3. Barely.
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There was a time when I didn't think there'd be a more bizarre relationship on HF than Toronto fans had with Stastny when he was in Colorado. Rangers fans with Fowler have topped it.
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Maybe try watching a game idk
Fowler is a big part of our defense... id much rather trade Vatanen to the rangers over fowler personally.
So what do you guys pay for vatanen.
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They are mad their gm picked Dylan over cam @ the draft.
Its funny cause cam fowler might be the nicest player in the league personality wise... his #'s don't look good but hes actually a very good defensemen if you watch him.. came in as an offensive dmen and turned into a solid 2way guy for us. I think he got put into a bad position being our #1 and being paired with people like lovejoy and bieska. I think if lindholm comes back and fowler can play as the lead on our 2nd pairing and let lindholm take the hard matchups fowlers game will improve a ton.
My biggest issue with Fowler is that we don't need a LHD, we need RHD so Vatanen just fits much better.
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Interesting logic. They passed on Tarasenko too. Are you suggesting they wouldn't want him now?
The playing up statement is just ridiculous. If that were the case, you wouldn't see fans suggesting that Vatanen might actually be easier to replace, or that Anaheim may need to consider moving him instead. You don't "play up" Fowler only to turn around and say that they shouldn't move him.
Fowler is the better defenseman. The difference between the two varies, since they both have good stretches and bad stretches, but he's been significantly better to start the season. The biggest argument for moving Fowler over Vatanen is more about Vatanen being signed longer term, while Fowler is a UFA in 2 years. If the contract situation was the same, I don't think there would be any question that Fowler would be better to keep.
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No, it really is because of the advanced stats group that they have. That group hates Fowler.
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And to be fair to them Fowler advanced stats are not thst impressive but anyone that watches him knows he's better then the stats show
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Honestly, judging by some of the analysis I've seen on his play, when some of them do watch, there is a huge amount of confirmation bias there.
If you can't even look at a good play, and acknowledge it as a good play, you're not being objective in your viewing. It's easy to find bad, if that's all you're looking for.
What?
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Spazkat
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Except in Tarasenko's case instead of getting fat she turned into the supermodel on the cover of every magazine just taunting you. lol
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Okay. Since Fowler is better than Vatanen, then logically Vatanen will be easier to trade for, will cost less in assets (compared to Fowler) AND the Rangers get to fill their need at RHD.
This is great news!
Am I doing this right?
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We all know why the Rangers didn't draft Tarasenko, and it had nothing to do with his talent level.
Honestly, judging by some of the analysis I've seen on his play, when some of them do watch, there is a huge amount of confirmation bias there.
If you can't even look at a good play, and acknowledge it as a good play, you're not being objective in your viewing. It's easy to find bad, if that's all you're looking for.
What?
Was just agreeing with you about Fowler
Sojourn
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Not really. Vatanen is signed to a longer contract, and is still very desirable.
You're trying to over-simplify in your attempt to mock him.
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I know the feeling. That's my main problem with Fowler as a Ducks fan even... he's not Tarasenko
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