Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?

[WhatTheDuck]

Someone can check my math, but I believe the following moves result in the Ducks coming in just below the cap...

- Trade Vatanen for Miller + non roster add(s)

- Call up Theodore (replace Vats on PP)

- Demote Stoner, Larsson & Sorenson to San Diego

- Sign Lindholm 6 x (5.6-5.9)

- At the point I believe placing Thompson on LTIR puts us just under the cap with the following 23 man roster.

Ritchie - Getzlaf - Perry
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Rakell - Vermette - Miller
Garbutt - Wagner - Etem
(Raymond - Boll)

Lindholm - Manson
Fowler - Despres
Theodore - Bieksa
(Holzer)

Gibson - Bernier

 

[The Duck Knight]

Someone can check my math, but I believe the following moves result in the Ducks coming in just below the cap...

- Trade Vatanen for Miller + non roster add(s)

- Call up Theodore (replace Vats on PP)

- Demote Stoner, Larsson & Sorenson to San Diego

- Sign Lindholm 6 x (5.6-5.9)

- At the point I believe placing Thompson on LTIR puts us just under the cap with the following 23 man roster.

Ritchie - Getzlaf - Perry
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Rakell - Vermette - Miller
Garbutt - Wagner - Etem
(Raymond - Boll)

Lindholm - Manson
Fowler - Despres
Theodore - Bieksa
(Holzer)

Gibson - Bernier

With Lindholm at 5.8 we'd just barely be under the cap. This would be ideal and give the team it's best chance for this year. And for that reason I have zero faith in Murray to be able to pull it off.

 

[robbieboy3686]

With Lindholm at 5.8 we'd just barely be under the cap. This would be ideal and give the team it's best chance for this year. And for that reason I have zero faith in Murray to be able to pull it off.

Despres and not knowing exactly if we can LTIR him yet is also causing a hault.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Someone can check my math, but I believe the following moves result in the Ducks coming in just below the cap...

- Trade Vatanen for Miller + non roster add(s)

- Call up Theodore (replace Vats on PP)

- Demote Stoner, Larsson & Sorenson to San Diego

- Sign Lindholm 6 x (5.6-5.9)

- At the point I believe placing Thompson on LTIR puts us just under the cap with the following 23 man roster.

Ritchie - Getzlaf - Perry
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Rakell - Vermette - Miller
Garbutt - Wagner - Etem
(Raymond - Boll)

Lindholm - Manson
Fowler - Despres
Theodore - Bieksa
(Holzer)

Gibson - Bernier

This definitely looks doable from a Ducks POV, works for Rangers too. If needed you can also go with 22 in the roster and demote Raymond to AHL (already cleared waivers), that will save another ~$900k

Just a question that isn't really relevant, wouldn't Montour be the first one up seeing as he puts up better numbers in the AHL and is a RHD?

 

[slg1963]

And to think we could of had Vatanan for Girardi 2 or 3 years ago .

 

[bernmeister]

Their only need right now is to clear enough cap that they can fit Lindholm into the team when they agree to terms with him. Trading Vatanen for Zuke doesn't really help Ducks at all, it's more or less status quo. Who's replacing Vatanen for them? You expect Montour to just slot in and play 22+ minutes from the get go? I like Montour but that's insanely optimistic. They don't really have Fs to move as cap dumps either, they have D-men to move to gain cap space. If they move Vatanen it will be because they can get a good young F _AND_ save cap space.

You should think of the other teams needs aswell sometimes bern.

we disagree
your critique is not spot on
they went all summer about how they wanted a top C, then changed it to a W, now precisely a LW
Yes, as some ducks fans said, Montour is ready now

You should think of such things before you are ready to jump someone.

No no. That is what YOU want.

Get cheaper
Get younger
remember where you heard that?
Oh yeah, NYR braintrust, who apparently agrees with me that we must move senior vets and keep younger vets

Agree! #stopthebern

No way bro, Jeff Gorton totally reads this message board and agrees with him.

Given the above, and fortunately for us, I would not be surprised

That's fine you don't need McI but most likely he will be included in the deal cause AV hates him and the rangers will no longer carry 8 D.. he is actually a good bottom pairing guy. played his best 10-15 games with yandle last year. Yandle was in the paper saying he reminded him of a young derek morris. I would actually like to see from ducks.

Lindholm-manson- great chemistry there manson also dirt cheap
Fowler-Montour-- Many ducks fans say fowler is better then vatanen so he would be perfect anchoring that pairing with montour
Larrsson-McIrath--would be a good tough fill in until depres returns. after that waive him for all I care cause he will not get a fair shake here.

Stoner could be 7th or whoever ducks see fit.

Obviously miller is the prize in that trade. he is signed for 2.75 for the next 2 years and is a RFA after.. He is rock solid all around game. Plays all 3 forward positions..will add 20+ goals 45+ pts on a line with Getzlaf and Perry. would help ducks role 2 dangerous lines
Miller-Getz-Perry
Rakell-Kesler-Silfverberg
Cogs-Vermentte-richtie---speedy pain in the ass line
garbutt whoever whoever-- grinding energy line..

much better top 6 in a tough western conference.
Montour and theodore banging on the door and it allows fowler the more well rounded d-man to anchor the pairing.

I'm not really crazy about dealing miller because at 23 there is no way he is done developing, however, the RD situation in NY needs to be addressed and with gropp and kovacs in Ny's farm system who are both sure fire NHLer's next year or the year after and pirri being able to slide in the top 9 this year i would make the deal. Lindberg also returns for us in about a month. NYR really has some nice forward depth.

No, screw AV, pummel him into submission
not his way, majority of fans way
keep McIl
dump AV

I'll take Sami Vatanen for JT Miller ALLLLLLLLLLL DAY

NO. Miller was 15thOA and would go higher if redrafted.
we must make decisions that work to long term need
a guy who can do all 3 F positions who is more cost controlled and has more upside is worth more
than a solid contributor either W on a good deal

Zuc for Vats is a core
gets Ducks scoring
gets Rangers D
$ is close

do a second side deal if nec

 

[RangerGuru]

Another Ranger fan here who is cool with Miller and non-roster adds for Vatanen. Get it done Gorton!

 

[WhatTheDuck]

This definitely looks doable from a Ducks POV, works for Rangers too. If needed you can also go with 22 in the roster and demote Raymond to AHL (already cleared waivers), that will save another ~$900k

Just a question that isn't really relevant, wouldn't Montour be the first one up seeing as he puts up better numbers in the AHL and is a RHD?

Montour very well could be called up ahead of Theo, but the latter was the first call up last season and has more NHL experience (more upside as well).

 

[caliamad]

I like premise of vatanen and Miller but I'd probably ask for a forward prospect or 2nd round pick.

Zuc can't work unless stoner or depres is part of deal or without retention.

The real problem on the ducks is they have 2 overpaid defenseman, tons of young defenseman ready to make the jump.

I think they need to trade stoner, depres, and will buy out bieksa in the offseason.

I really doubt vatanen is available unless it's a total sweetheart deal.

I don't see the ducks making any move unless stoner or depres is included or moved in a separate deal.

 

[RangerGuru]

I like premise of vatanen and Miller but I'd probably ask for a forward prospect or 2nd round pick.

Zuc can't work unless stoner or depres is part of deal or without retention.

The real problem on the ducks is they have 2 overpaid defenseman, tons of young defenseman ready to make the jump.

I think they need to trade stoner, depres, and will buy out bieksa in the offseason.

I really doubt vatanen is available unless it's a total sweetheart deal.

I don't see the ducks making any move unless stoner or depres is included or moved in a separate deal.

Miller + 2nd or maybe Miller + someone like Boo Nieves sounds okay to me

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Montour very well could be called up ahead of Theo, but the latter was the first call up last season and has more NHL experience (more upside as well).

Aight, i just figured the handedness made Montour the more logical choice, doesn't really matter though

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Aight, i just figured the handedness made Montour the more logical choice, doesn't really matter though

Theodore plays both sides so he can slot in on the right if needed, but I suspect we'll see a fair amount of both young D prospects regardless.

 

[njdevil26]

I think Fowler hung out last night with Henrique and Hall from their Spitfires days and wants to play in NJ with them now. Complete speculation based on no facts or information. Get it done Shero!

 

[nyr__1994]

I like premise of vatanen and Miller but I'd probably ask for a forward prospect or 2nd round pick.

Zuc can't work unless stoner or depres is part of deal or without retention.

The real problem on the ducks is they have 2 overpaid defenseman, tons of young defenseman ready to make the jump.

I think they need to trade stoner, depres, and will buy out bieksa in the offseason.

I really doubt vatanen is available unless it's a total sweetheart deal.

I don't see the ducks making any move unless stoner or depres is included or moved in a separate deal.

Where are you going to move Stoner or Depres? Who has the cap space to take on those contracts without sending salary back to Anaheim.

Murray has his back against the wall right now. His best D-man is unsigned because he does not have the cap room to sign him. Why would any GM take those contracts without a significant add from Anaheim right now?

Now that the season has started, teams have set their budgets. Imagine you are Carolina's owner and you have your business plan for the year/season and your GM comes to you and says we need to add 4 million to that budget so we can get another draft pick or two...

Enter the NYR - Hey Mr Murray, we some cap space we would like to sell you, however it is going to cost you Vatneen and Silfverberg. In return we will send you a cost controlled top 6 winger and a forward prospect.

If you are Murray you have to think long and hard about that scenario.

 

[Savant]

I think Fowler hung out last night with Henrique and Hall from their Spitfires days and wants to play in NJ with them now. Complete speculation based on no facts or information. Get it done Shero!

Are top front office members from the Devils going to Ducks games? Has Bob Murray gone to NJ when the Ducks weren't playing.

The Rangers can say yes to both. Those are facts.

 

[Shootertooter]

Another Ranger fan here who is cool with Miller and non-roster adds for Vatanen. Get it done Gorton!

Yup, I think the value is fair.

 

[EpicDing]

If there's a strong Ducks scouting showing at the Garden tonight, something's definitely up.

Another Rangers fan who'd do Miller+2nd/prospect for Vatanen, FWIW

 

[aj8000]

Are top front office members from the Devils going to Ducks games? Has Bob Murray gone to NJ when the Ducks weren't playing.

The Rangers can say yes to both. Those are facts.

I cannot see the Rangers taking on additional cap with any trade. They have like 7 RFAs next year with little cap as it is (approx 10 mill) to sign them if they need raises. They maybe going to the games, but I do not see a trade that will help the Ducks cap situation come out of it.

 

[EpicDing]

I cannot see the Rangers taking on additional cap with any trade. They have like 7 RFAs next year with little cap as it is to sign them if they need raises. They maybe going to the games, but I do not see a trade that will help the Ducks cap situation come out of it.

Nash comes off the books then, and I doubt Girardi makes it to next season, whether he retires or is bought out, or maybe just rides the LTIR.

 

[aj8000]

Nash comes off the books then, and I doubt Girardi makes it to next season, whether he retires or is bought out, or maybe just rides the LTIR.

Nash has two years (2018) left according to cap friendly so his 7.8 mill is still on the books next year. Only Tanner Glass is UFA next year. it still makes it tight for cap space for the Rangers to accept bad contracts from the Ducks

 

[EpicDing]

Nash has two years (2018) left according to cap friendly so his 7.8 mill is still on the books next year. Only Tanner Glass is UFA next year

Whoops, my bad. Regardless, the only RFA out of those 7 that would cost a ton would be Zibanejad. Everyone else (except maaayybe Pirri, depending)would likely be around a mil, and wouldn't hurt terribly to trade/lose unelss they make some serious strides in their games.

 

[aj8000]

Whoops, my bad. Regardless, the only RFA out of those 7 that would cost a ton would be Zibanejad. Everyone else (except maaayybe Pirri, depending)would likely be around a mil, and wouldn't hurt terribly to trade/lose unelss they make some serious strides in their games.

I am sure the Rangers can make it work in their current structure; however, I cannot see a trade with the Ducks happening where the Rangers need to take back cap to help the Ducks sign Lindholm. The Rangers are already tight this year in respect to cap so I do not see them accepting a cap dump from the Ducks unless they are real suckers.

 

[Trxjw]

I cannot see the Rangers taking on additional cap with any trade. They have like 7 RFAs next year with little cap as it is (approx 10 mill) to sign them if they need raises. They maybe going to the games, but I do not see a trade that will help the Ducks cap situation come out of it.

Nash will likely finish that contract with another team. If they add a RHD, then one or two of Klein, McIlrath, or Clendening will likely be moved. They'll lose someone to the expansion draft as well. They'll find a way to make the money work if need be.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Perfect trading teams, lets get her done

 

[EpicDing]

I am sure the Rangers can make it work in their current structure; however, I cannot see a trade with the Ducks happening where the Rangers need to take back cap to help the Ducks sign Lindholm. The Rangers are already tight this year in respect to cap so I do not see them accepting a cap dump from the Ducks unless they are real suckers.

Miller+non-roster assets for Vatanen seems like a good one that frees up a couple mil for the Ducks, but I have no clue how Ducks fans feel about that one. There's a deal there, I think. Even if it's like Stoner plus a Montour or Manson or something along those lines for something from the Rangers I'd be cool with that, pending what we send to you guys.

We have great forward depth, Ducks have great D depth. Something can be done here, preferably a good hockey deal for both teams.