Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?

[Kanneda]

I'm a Rangers fan and I'm with the Ducks fans in almost every discussion in this thread

 

[krt88]

Having 2 teams with little to co cap space making a trade doesn't seem to make sense for Anaheim who need cap space to sign Lindholm. But oh well.

I just don't see a way Anaheim gets their rising start signed without seriously giving a way talent. Everyone knows the spot they are in, hold fast and let them be the one who folds.

 

[bernmeister]

to be fair Theodore can step in right now and montour likely could too.

But it's ridiculous to think we'll trade our 3 best right handed dmen in same move or any moves in general

what do you expect to pay if you are acquiring great contracts in McD + Zuc?
Yeah, you are giving up some salary containment going forward WAY down the line, but those 2 deals each for reasonable 3 year term remaining solidifies all your immediate short term cap/salary mgmt...

 

[Shootertooter]

Well, regardless of what we all think, the fact remains Drury and Clarke were at the game ad that seems odd....unless something is being worked on.

Part of me wants the Ducks to take in a guy like Nash or Stepan just to see the melt down here. I know it is not going to happen.

I could see Miller on NY's end being involved. I know NY covets Trouba but I'm not sure they are in on that or if they are looking to flip possibly Fowler for Trouba. If they got Vatanen, I'm not sure moving him for a guy who likely wants top dollar is wise and does that take NYR out of trying to get Shattenkirk in the offseason?


Kreider isn't going anywhere neither is Vesey or Buch. and I don't think the Rangers are moving their first unless the return is overwhelming. Although they could and they would be fine considering Vesey fell into their laps like a free one.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yes, you're right. I've never watched hockey before. You got me.

Not what I said. You're basing all your opinions off of, like I said, strictly stats. Advanced stats are a good way to back an opinion on a player, not form one.

 

[Dijock94]

Well, regardless of what we all think, the fact remains Drury and Clarke were at the game ad that seems odd....unless something is being worked on.

Part of me wants the Ducks to take in a guy like Nash or Stepan just to see the melt down here. I know it is not going to happen.

I could see Miller on NY's end being involved. I know NY covets Trouba but I'm not sure they are in on that or if they are looking to flip possibly Fowler for Trouba. If they got Vatanen, I'm not sure moving him for a guy who likely wants top dollar is wise and does that take NYR out of trying to get Shattenkirk in the offseason?


Kreider isn't going anywhere neither is Vesey or Buch. and I don't think the Rangers are moving their first unless the return is overwhelming. Although they could and they would be fine considering Vesey fell into their laps like a free one.

My only issue here is trading Miller for Vaatanen. For the Rangers you're trading from an area of depth to fill a black hole, but I'm much higher on Miller as a player compared to Vaatanen.

 

[Machinehead]

Not what I said. You're basing all your opinions off of, like I said, strictly stats. Advanced stats are a good way to back an opinion on a player, not form one.

So we're assuming that I've never seen him play again?

 

[bernmeister]

My only issue here is trading Miller for Vaatanen. For the Rangers you're trading from an area of depth to fill a black hole, but I'm much higher on Miller as a player compared to Vaatanen.

this is why it must be zuc

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

this is why it must be zuc

Zuke does nothing for Ducks cap situation, which is the only reason they would even think about moving Vatanen, think people, think....

 

[Ola]

It's weird because I think every other fan base would take Vatanen over Fowler but I'm pretty sure duck fans rate our dmen.
Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen

Idk how much of an add (idk what miller's contract looks like etc) plus were in a weird bind where we can't take back much money so chances are it has to be picks and prospects with 1 decent prices player.

Yeah, but how many teams has an opening at LD and how many teams has an opening on RD? Rangers also especially could use a right shooting PPQB.

Anyway, lets bring this thread back on track. I could see NYR being interested in Cam Fowler. But what makes sense value-wise?

To afford Fowler, we would have to deal JT Miller. That works for ANA. If we get Fowler, we have no room for Brady Skjei. You guys have to take our word for it, Miller and Skjei is very high valued by our management. Both are very good young affordable players in this league, with no flaws. Modern. I would be very very surprised if we dealt Miller and Skjei for Fowler. If its JT for Fowler, what does Skjei fetch? We would have no Cap room. Or can it be evened out by ANA adding to Fowler to get both Miller and Skjei? But OTOH, does ANA even really need another LD in Skjei?

A bit hard to figure out...

 

[bernmeister]

Zuke does nothing for Ducks cap situation, which is the only reason they would even think about moving Vatanen, think people, think....

You can't be lazy and expect one deal solves ALL your needs, magically, in one fell swoop

Zuc and Vats are ballpark = $.
swap of complementary need
you can replace Vats on internal D
you get a superior F

now you take that inferior F you already have, and move HIM to a club that can use him, preferably for a cheap future

NOW you have cap saved whatever that guy's salary is
pick you get has no $ attached.

like you said
think people, think

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah, but how many teams has an opening at LD and how many teams has an opening on RD? Rangers also especially could use a right shooting PPQB.

Anyway, lets bring this thread back on track. I could see NYR being interested in Cam Fowler. But what makes sense value-wise?

To afford Fowler, we would have to deal JT Miller. That works for ANA. If we get Fowler, we have no room for Brady Skjei. You guys have to take our word for it, Miller and Skjei is very high valued by our management. Both are very good young affordable players in this league, with no flaws. Modern. I would be very very surprised if we dealt Miller and Skjei for Fowler. If its JT for Fowler, what does Skjei fetch? We would have no Cap room. Or can it be evened out by ANA adding to Fowler to get both Miller and Skjei? But OTOH, does ANA even really need another LD in Skjei?

A bit hard to figure out...

we can't do any of those things because we can't move young core, ELC protected, etc

must move vets
w/exp draft no other option
gotta think long term ahead

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

You can't be lazy and expect one deal solves ALL your needs, magically, in one fell swoop

Zuc and Vats are ballpark = $.
swap of complementary need
you can replace Vats on internal D
you get a superior F

now you take that inferior F you already have, and move HIM to a club that can use him, preferably for a cheap future

NOW you have cap saved whatever that guy's salary is
pick you get has no $ attached.

like you said
think people, think

Their only need right now is to clear enough cap that they can fit Lindholm into the team when they agree to terms with him. Trading Vatanen for Zuke doesn't really help Ducks at all, it's more or less status quo. Who's replacing Vatanen for them? You expect Montour to just slot in and play 22+ minutes from the get go? I like Montour but that's insanely optimistic. They don't really have Fs to move as cap dumps either, they have D-men to move to gain cap space. If they move Vatanen it will be because they can get a good young F _AND_ save cap space.

You should think of the other teams needs aswell sometimes bern.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't expect this to go anywhere, but off the top of my head:

Ana wants talent and cheap to work w/internal cap
Rangers want ELC primo prospects, exp exempt, and the correct RD

do not want Fowler, who most Duck fans here want to keep

ok, McDonagh is primo upgrade and sweetheart deal, Zuc is scoring W, everything Ana wants except for size, and he plays bigger than he is, that is established fact

McD is 4.7 x 3 and Zuc 4.5 x 3
9.2 cap total
for
Theodore, Montour, Vatanen
= not checking exact #s, 2 ELCs and roughly McD
= like 6m+
throw in a 3m cap dump
will take anybody who does not have NMC
and is short term, pref expiring


Ana keeps Fowler, can live w/out Theo and Monty, Manson more prominent when Vats leaves and if there is cause for depth, we can throw in a Clendenning or Calle Andersson

thoughts

No no. That is what YOU want.

 

[buttman*]

I would do Vats for Miller+ 2nd/prospect. Murray isn't that smart though.

Ducks aren't that dumb.

 

[robbieboy3686]

My only issue here is trading Miller for Vaatanen. For the Rangers you're trading from an area of depth to fill a black hole, but I'm much higher on Miller as a player compared to Vaatanen.

This deal would benefit both sides, the fact that both teams are up against the cap, is a real plus for the ducks, harder to screw us, more " hockey " type of deals. Of course Rangers would need to add a pick or talented forward prospect though .

 

[Shootertooter]

My only issue here is trading Miller for Vaatanen. For the Rangers you're trading from an area of depth to fill a black hole, but I'm much higher on Miller as a player compared to Vaatanen.

Isn't that why you make the trade in the first place? We need a RHD, not Fowler. Who says Win. would trader Trouba for Fowler and why would they need the Rangers to facilitate the deal? Why not just do it directly?

I like Miller, but I think having Vesey, Buch, Step, Kreider, Zib and throw Nash and Zuc in there leaves him as odd man out in the top 6. He probably shouldn't be a 3rd liner but he likely will be on the Rangers. Trading him for a top4 RHD makes sense.

Is Vatanen good? He is good enough and likely better than we have so there is that.

 

[Irishguy42]

Four scouts at the Ducks/Devils game tonight. Gordie Clark among them.

We don't play the Ducks until February.

Hmmmmmmm...

 

[Kanneda]

 

[Irishguy42]

We don't play the Ducks until February and don't play the Devils until December.

Can't be supremely early scouting...

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Drury and Clark in attendance again along with 2 more unknowns (not Gorton) from NYR, something is definitely up.

 

[WesMcCauley]

No no. That is what YOU want.

Agree! #stopthebern

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

No no. That is what YOU want.

No way bro, Jeff Gorton totally reads this message board and agrees with him.

 

[Sysreq]

I think if it's anything its Vatanen for Klein+. That would open up 2 mil in cap for the Ducks and be a solid upgrade to the Rags defense.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I think if it's anything its Vatanen for Klein+. That would open up 2 mil in cap for the Ducks and be a solid upgrade to the Rags defense.

They'd definitely want a young scoring F for Vatanen, not Klein.