Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?
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No.. more like
Vatanen and 4th rd pick to Nyr
to ANA Miller, mcIlrath 3rd round pick
No.. more like
Vatanen and 4th rd pick to Nyr
to ANA Miller, mcIlrath 3rd round pick
for who
which team?
NYR
McD-vatanen
Staal-Klein
Skjei-clendening/holden
Moves saves ANA just over 2 mil
Ducks
Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-montour/theodore
Despres/stoner/Mcilrath
which team?
NYR
McD-vatanen
Staal-Klein
Skjei-clendening/holden
Moves saves ANA just over 2 mil
Ducks
Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-montour/theodore
Despres/stoner/Mcilrath
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Um I think larsson has shown enough to not get knocked out of line up... we have no need for mcilrath he is behind manson lindholm montour Theodore larsson Fowler
Think the main thing here wasn't the pairings themselves but to show that you don't need Klein coming back in a trade for D depth
I assume you would count on Theodore and/or Montour to step up if you trade Vatanen/Fowler?
aufheben
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Guys they don't want McIlrath lol
Edit: Although...Carlyle...maybe?
Edit: Although...Carlyle...maybe?
Yeah that's terrible.
That's fine you don't need McI but most likely he will be included in the deal cause AV hates him and the rangers will no longer carry 8 D.. he is actually a good bottom pairing guy. played his best 10-15 games with yandle last year. Yandle was in the paper saying he reminded him of a young derek morris. I would actually like to see from ducks.
Lindholm-manson- great chemistry there manson also dirt cheap
Fowler-Montour-- Many ducks fans say fowler is better then vatanen so he would be perfect anchoring that pairing with montour
Larrsson-McIrath--would be a good tough fill in until depres returns. after that waive him for all I care cause he will not get a fair shake here.
Stoner could be 7th or whoever ducks see fit.
Obviously miller is the prize in that trade. he is signed for 2.75 for the next 2 years and is a RFA after.. He is rock solid all around game. Plays all 3 forward positions..will add 20+ goals 45+ pts on a line with Getzlaf and Perry. would help ducks role 2 dangerous lines
Miller-Getz-Perry
Rakell-Kesler-Silfverberg
Cogs-Vermentte-richtie---speedy pain in the ass line
garbutt whoever whoever-- grinding energy line..
much better top 6 in a tough western conference.
Montour and theodore banging on the door and it allows fowler the more well rounded d-man to anchor the pairing.
I'm not really crazy about dealing miller because at 23 there is no way he is done developing, however, the RD situation in NY needs to be addressed and with gropp and kovacs in Ny's farm system who are both sure fire NHLer's next year or the year after and pirri being able to slide in the top 9 this year i would make the deal. Lindberg also returns for us in about a month. NYR really has some nice forward depth.
That's literally 3 top-4 defenders and then bottom-pairing depth being shoe-horned in.
Besides the fact that neither Montour or Theodore are ready for Fowler's minutes, Lindholm-Manson isn't exactly a top-10 1st pair.
So you have (relative to other 1st, 2nd pairings etc):
1st pairing - Average
2nd pairing - Bad
3rd pairing - Average
... So like a C-/D+ defense?
Never mind what happens if Lindholm or Fowler go down. Then you basically have 1 workable top-4 pair.
Ducks trade Vatanen without getting a top-4 back and it's a **** show.
AngelDuck
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As has been stated about a million times, the Ducks are looking to move salary. Moving Manson does nothing to accomplish that
So unless you're interested in adding Stoner to the deal (we'd add of course), that move doesn't make any sense at all from the Ducks perspective.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
They need forwards. If Miller + for Vatanen is ever on the table you take that and run. We have a million forwards and a golden retriever would be like 3rd on our RHD depth chart
AngelDuck
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We don't need a dman coming back in the trade. We're looking for a productive cheap young skilled winger.
Plus that value is bad. I don't care how good of a prospect Skjei (?) is, Vatanen is a top flight OFD and can pull back somebody more proven at the NHL level.
2nd round pick does nothing for us
Spazkat
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I think it's been stated a few times <ok, more like 50 but still> ANA does not want D back. They need scoring forwards, preferably left wings
WhatTheDuck
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Skjei is a good young defenseman but we have enough of those already. A deal based around one of your forwards is the way to go.
Something around Vatanen and Miller probably makes the most sense, but still doesn't clear enough space for the Ducks, right?
Think the main thing here wasn't the pairings themselves but to show that you don't need Klein coming back in a trade for D depth
I assume you would count on Theodore and/or Montour to step up if you trade Vatanen/Fowler?
Neither Theodore or Montour are rostered and you want to run them in your top-4?
yea
They are gona have no choice. montour for my money is ready.. so is theo. They have to play sooner or later. WHy not now?? when you are in a cap crunch to get your best d-man signed and can add a young cost controlled winger who will give you 20+ goals on your top line.. It makes so much sense to do this trade it's scary..
They are gona have no choice. montour for my money is ready.. so is theo. They have to play sooner or later. WHy not now?? when you are in a cap crunch to get your best d-man signed and can add a young cost controlled winger who will give you 20+ goals on your top line.. It makes so much sense to do this trade it's scary..
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the situation sucks for the ducks but what is their alternative??? don't sign their best d-man? maybe moving vats is not ideal but at least they know they have guys who could possibly step in and replicate what he does. Not only that, they are looking for a specific trade where they can shed salary to sign lindholm and add a top 6 winger cheap (miller) who is cost controlled and preferably a RFA after his contract.. Miller fits all the criteria.. The only 2 players the ducks could ship out to move salary for lindholm are fowler and Vatanen.. Both are solid. Each one does certain things better then the other.. Most ducks fans value fowler higher as a better all around d-man. NYR needs help on RD. They need the perticular skillset vatanen possesses.. This trade is like a match made in heaven.. It's not that they are losing vats neccisarily,, they are gaining miller and lindholm. Montour is ready. he has proved he can play at every level he has ever played at. It would make sense that they would want fowler, the better overall defender paired with him to anchor that unit. with all the scout from Ny covering the ducks this week i bet this trade goes down within a week, 2 tops.
the situation sucks for the ducks but what is their alternative??? don't sign their best d-man? maybe moving vats is not ideal but at least they know they have guys who could possibly step in and replicate what he does. Not only that, they are looking for a specific trade where they can shed salary to sign lindholm and add a top 6 winger cheap (miller) who is cost controlled and preferably a RFA after his contract.. Miller fits all the criteria.. The only 2 players the ducks could ship out to move salary for lindholm are fowler and Vatanen.. Both are solid. Each one does certain things better then the other.. Most ducks fans value fowler higher as a better all around d-man. NYR needs help on RD. They need the perticular skillset vatanen possesses.. This trade is like a match made in heaven.. It's not that they are losing vats neccisarily,, they are gaining miller and lindholm. Montour is ready. he has proved he can play at every level he has ever played at. It would make sense that they would want fowler, the better overall defender paired with him to anchor that unit. with all the scout from Ny covering the ducks this week i bet this trade goes down within a week, 2 tops.
KaseMeOutside
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i propose we have a thread pinned at the top of the trade forum that says the anaheim ducks do not need defenseman, so please do not keep adding them in trades
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SmokeyDuck
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I'd trade Vatanen for Miller +, though nothing is going to happen till Lindholm is signed unfortunely.
