Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[Tyson]

17-18 the alzner-schlemko era


f*** bergevin


17-18 the alzner-schlemko era


f*** bergevin

Is that pro scout still with the team? Marc Crawford's brother.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

This was likely posted somewhere on this board already but with Poehling now gone that's another 1st round Habs pick out the door.

That truly is terrible. The oldest player on that list would be 31 years old.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

MB inherited Subban and Markov, then added Petry. They were backed up by Price. All we needed was some damn offense at centre. Christ what a waste.

Unforgivable. He had a cup winner on the wings, defense and in nets. And instead he held unto low 1sts and prospects like they were his nuts. I'm not sure I've ever been as disgusted with this team as I was at the 2015 TDL, even if we picked up Petry for a 2nd.

 

[Kennedys]

I'm not surprised we didn't get a huge return. Petry is 34yo. And Poehling was barely a 4C at 23yo on one of the worse team in history.

 

[dcyhabs]

We had for 2-3 years a very good defense with Subban-Markov-Petry and then Weber-Markov-Petry. Price was the major reason we won but the defense in front of him was actually more than decent. Even if Price is back to his usual self next season people should not expect miracle with the defense we have. Our best dman next season would not make the top 3 we used to have some years ago and while Emelin had its limitations he was at least elite at something so not sure i'd say the best dman we have atm is much better than him.

Emelin was quite OK. The problem was letting him go and then trying to replace him with a series of guys who ranged from decent third pairing players to bad third line players on their best days. There is a big difference between playing second pairing minutes and third pairing minutes, ice time and quality of competition.

 

[Mrb1p]

MB inherited Subban and Markov, then added Petry. They were backed up by Price. All we needed was some damn offense at centre. Christ what a waste.

Cant believe that guy is still employed. What was the point of not moving those damn picks and prospects. Guys like Oshie, Perron, Smith, Kessel, Oreilly, Hamilton and Teravaunen were traded for freaking peanuts. PEANUTS.

The only assets from the Bergevin regime we still have are Anderson, Dvorak, Hoffman, Byron, Armia, Savard, Edmundson, Barron, Evans, Drouin, Allen, Pezzeta, Primeau, Ylonen, Dach, Harris, 2019, 2020 and 2021 draft picks.

One core player (Caufield.)

He turned Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Gallagher, a 3rd Oa pick, Eller into this lmao.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I'm not surprised we didn't get a huge return. Petry is 34yo. And Poehling was barely a 4C at 23yo on one of the worse team in history.

We did get a huge return, we got a defenseman putting up similar numbers who is 6 years younger coming off his best year. This is a great f***ing deal. And he’s a local
kid!

 

[26Mats]

We did get a huge return, we got a defenseman putting up similar numbers who is 6 years younger coming off his best year. This is a great f***ing deal. And he’s a local
kid!

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of player Matheson is at this point of his career. Which is almost certainly his prime, or close to it.

Ok he can skate, and word is he can rush the puck up ice. But is a 20 point dman, a 30 points dman? How good is he defensively? Etc...

 

[admiralcadillac]

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of player Matheson is at this point of his career. Which is almost certainly his prime, or close to it.

Ok he can skate, and word is he can rush the puck up ice. But is a 20 point dman, a 30 points dman? How good is he defensively? Etc...

He’s clearly a 30 point dman and all he needs to be is better than Petry who was f***ing putrid half of the year last year and clearly had no interest in playing here anymore. Plus we get a guy who is 6 years younger.

I’d also add that I see Matheson as more valuable than a late first rounder by a mile. People here want draft picks but how many picks do you want? We need f***ing soldiers in the lineup.

Not sure what people were expecting 34 year old dmen to be worth with the Mcdonagh and Burns trades… we got the best deal of the bunch!

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of player Matheson is at this point of his career. Which is almost certainly his prime, or close to it.

Ok he can skate, and word is he can rush the puck up ice. But is a 20 point dman, a 30 points dman? How good is he defensively? Etc...

...he's, again, very similar to a young Petry defensively...as in he isn't very good at it and has a penchant for boneheaded plays...

 

[26Mats]

He’s clearly a 30 point dman and all he needs to be is better than Petry who was f***ing putrid half of the year last year and clearly had no interest in playing here anymore. Plus we get a guy who is 6 years younger.

I’d also add that I see Matheson as more valuable than a late first rounder by a mile. People here want draft picks but how many picks do you want? We need f***ing soldiers in the lineup.

Not sure what people were expecting 34 year old dmen to be worth with the Mcdonagh and Burns trades… we got the best deal of the bunch!

...he's, again, very similar to a young Petry defensively...as in he isn't very good at it and has a penchant for boneheaded plays...

After watching Scandella up close, I'll wait to watch Matheson up close.

We'll see if and by how much he's better than Scandella.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

After watching Scandella up close, I'll wait to watch Matheson up close.

We'll see if and by how much he's better than Scandella.

...well, that's one helluva low bar, so he may pass it in the warmup of Game #1...

 

[tooji]

It can be toxic having a player in the dressing room that’s fully checked out and doesn’t want to be there. Combined with the current market (patches given away for free) I can understand the move to at least get some value back in a younger dman.

 

[Kimota]

Cant believe that guy is still employed. What was the point of not moving those damn picks and prospects. Guys like Oshie, Perron, Smith, Kessel, Oreilly, Hamilton and Teravaunen were traded for freaking peanuts. PEANUTS.

The only assets from the Bergevin regime we still have are Anderson, Dvorak, Hoffman, Byron, Armia, Savard, Edmundson, Barron, Evans, Drouin, Allen, Pezzeta, Primeau, Ylonen, Dach, Harris, 2019, 2020 and 2021 draft picks.

One core player (Caufield.)

He turned Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Gallagher, a 3rd Oa pick, Eller into this lmao.

Well he turned Subban into Weber and Max into Suzuki but OK....

 

[BaseballCoach]

...he's, again, very similar to a young Petry defensively...as in he isn't very good at it and has a penchant for boneheaded plays...

And like Petry (and Kulak) started to improve in that regard beginning his mid-twenties.

 

[Skip Bayless]

And like Petry (and Kulak) started to improve in that regard beginning his mid-twenties.

Petry improved his offensive game, he’s still inconsistent defensively.

Kulak is a tire fire, but last season was a bit better.

 

[MrNasty]

Emelin was quite OK. The problem was letting him go and then trying to replace him with a series of guys who ranged from decent third pairing players to bad third line players on their best days. There is a big difference between playing second pairing minutes and third pairing minutes, ice time and quality of competition.

Loved Emelin but it was the expansion draft and he had to exposed.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Petry improved his offensive game, he’s still inconsistent defensively.

Kulak is a tire fire, but last season was a bit better.

So the Matheson contract at age 28 is better than both the others right now.

 

[dcyhabs]

Loved Emelin but it was the expansion draft and he had to exposed.

Quite possible but he also had to be replaced by someone who could handle the job. I suppose Chiarot and Edmundson got there eventually.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Loved Emelin but it was the expansion draft and he had to exposed.

No he didn't. He was left exposed so we could protect Jordie Benn as our 3D.

 

[Skip Bayless]

So the Matheson contract at age 28 is better than both the others right now.

It’s still bad tbh. Matheson is lost defensively, and his offense does not really compensate.

 

[BLONG7]

It’s still bad tbh. Matheson is lost defensively, and his offense does not really compensate.

Curious, if you watched Petry at all last year? He sucked hard for 65-70 games, and then had a few decent games. It was embarassing how he quit on the habs.
Matheson will be an upgrade..............

 

[BaseballCoach]

It’s still bad tbh. Matheson is lost defensively, and his offense does not really compensate.

Actually Matheson is no longer so lost defensively, especially on the left side.

Last year in Pittsburgh, he was 4th in minutes played among D, but 1st in ES goals, 2nd in ES points and total points, 2nd in offensive points generated for team, 3rd in defensive points generated for team, and 2nd overall points for the team. He was 3rd in plus-minus among the D, and 5th overall on the team.

He's not a stud shutdown guy, but he is no longer a liability except on the rarest of times. Only 0.59 giveaways per game. 3rd fewest, but 2nd in takeaways and 2nd in ratio.

This is no longer the young Matheson who was beaten by KK four seasons ago at the Bell Center on the kid's most frequently shown video clip of the year.

We'll see for ourselves if these improved results are sustainable, but I have good reason to like the switch of 34 year old Petry for 28 year old Matheson.

 

[GrandBison]

I’m kinda interested to see how Matheson-Savard works as a second pairing…

Tire fire or tough to play against? I can’t tell yet.

Savard was not as bad as people remember here. That's going to be an ok 1st pair for a bottom 5 team.

 

[Cournoyer12]

No he didn't. He was left exposed so we could protect Jordie Benn as our 3D.

Such a pity!