Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[26Mats]

Why would they move him if he plays well?

Same reason they moved Romanov. We have a ton of LDmen and could use some assets from that position of strength to shore up other positions.

 

[JianYang]

Has there ever been a worst D lineup in the history of the team?

Its fine for the tanking but our best dman this year is at best a #3

Yeah, it really bad.

Matheson is a 4.... Maybe 3 if he builds on last year.

Edmundson is a debatable 4

Harris has alot to learn, let's say 6 for now

Savard is a 6

Wideman, shoe, Leskinen all 7s or worse.

Even the houle era had a far better defense than this.

 

[Guy Larose]

Same reason they moved Romanov. We have a ton of LDmen and could use some assets from that position of strength to shore up other positions.

Yeah well, he didn't get him and praising the hell out of him to trade him away anytime soon.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah, it really bad.

Matheson is a 4.... Maybe 3 if he builds on last year.

Edmundson is a debatable 4

Harris has alot to learn, let's say 6 for now

Savard is a 6

Wideman, shoe, Leskinen all 7s or worse.

Even the houle era had a far better defense than this.

Hughes mentioned him seeing Barron being on the blue in Montreal.

I think Guhle will secure a spot also.

 

[JianYang]

Hughes mentioned him seeing Barron being on the blue in Montreal.

I think Guhle will secure a spot also.

It's possible, but these guys need time, like Harris to figure things out in this league. So with respect to the upcoming season, the defense will likely be bad regardless.

 

[26Mats]

I think Barron and Guhle will play NHL this year, but not sure they both make the team out of camp

Everything will depend on what's best for their development, not trying to win now. Thankfully.

 

[lou4gehrig]

Ouch.... Rough times ahead.

Bedard times head you mean.

 

[JianYang]

Hughes mentioned him seeing Barron being on the blue in Montreal.

I think Guhle will secure a spot also.

It's possible, but these guys need time, like Harris to figure things out in this league. So with respect to the upcoming season, the defense will likely be bad regardless.

Regardless, Guhle is the only guy out of that bunch with #2 potential, but it's not coming right away.

 

[CAUFIELD]

Has there ever been a worst D lineup in the history of the team?

Its fine for the tanking but our best dman this year is at best a #3

A #3? Who ?
Edmundson is a 4th and matheson too in my opinion

 

[Wats]

Note that Hughes said at the end of his post Petry trade presser that he sees Barron on the blue line in Montreal this year.

Guhle almost made the team last year. It seems likely he'll win a spot.

I'd be very disappointed if they make the team without AHL time. It'd be a page out of the Bergevin playbook. At least Harris is 22, Guhle has nothing to lose from starting the year with Laval.

 

[26Mats]

I'd be very disappointed if they make the team without AHL time. It'd be a page out of the Bergevin playbook. At least Harris is 22, Guhle has nothing to lose from starting the year with Laval.

Yeah, I definitely want what's best for their development.

I felt Barron was learning well on the job. Sure he made coverage mistakes. But the play didn't seem to be moving too fast for him.

Harris also looked innthe right place.

Do we want to let Guhle develop his offensive game in Laval? May be a good strategy. We'll see how he looks in preseason.

 

[tazsub3]

Has there ever been a worst D lineup in the history of the team?

Its fine for the tanking but our best dman this year is at best a #3

Seems you missed the golden age of houle and co. Its not even close to being the worst....
With stars like the one and only patrick traverse

 

[Runner77]

Does anyone know where that story about Chevy allegedly reneging on a deal, came from?

 

[Tanknation]

I am disappointed with this trade. I was hoping even for 3rd round pick just to get rid of his contract and not take on any others. However, I am on the full tank for Bedard train though.

 

[dcyhabs]

17-18 the alzner-schlemko era


f*** bergevin


17-18 the alzner-schlemko era


f*** bergevin

Under Bergevin the habs usually had a top D-man, they were missing a second pairing guy or two most of the time while he kept rotating third pairing guys or worse through those slots. Those years were bad, but probably not worse than the upcoming year.

They had some really bad guys short term late '90s and early '00s but they usually had at least a few good players in there.

 

[LaP]

Under Bergevin the habs usually had a top D-man, they were missing a second pairing guy or two most of the time while he kept rotating third pairing guys or worse through those slots. Those years were bad, but probably not worse than the upcoming year.

They had some really bad guys short term late '90s and early '00s but they usually had at least a few good players in there.

We had for 2-3 years a very good defense with Subban-Markov-Petry and then Weber-Markov-Petry. Price was the major reason we won but the defense in front of him was actually more than decent. Even if Price is back to his usual self next season people should not expect miracle with the defense we have. Our best dman next season would not make the top 3 we used to have some years ago and while Emelin had its limitations he was at least elite at something so not sure i'd say the best dman we have atm is much better than him.

 

[26Mats]

I am disappointed with this trade. I was hoping even for 3rd round pick just to get rid of his contract and not take on any others. However, I am on the full tank for Bedard train though.

Matheson shouldn't move the needle.

But we lost a lot of man games last year.

We have some new players coming in: Dach, Dadonov, maybe Slaf, Matheson, Barron, Harris, maybe Guhle. Will be interesting to see how things go.

 

[Tanknation]

Yea. I think we so many new faces it will be a very rough year regardless, which is great! Lol

 

[Andy]

Under Bergevin the habs usually had a top D-man, they were missing a second pairing guy or two most of the time while he kept rotating third pairing guys or worse through those slots. Those years were bad, but probably not worse than the upcoming year.

They had some really bad guys short term late '90s and early '00s but they usually had at least a few good players in there.

MB inherited Subban and Markov, then added Petry. They were backed up by Price. All we needed was some damn offense at centre. Christ what a waste.

 

[Kriss E]

Matheson shouldn't move the needle.

But we lost a lot of man games last year.

We have some new players coming in: Dach, Dadonov, maybe Slaf, Matheson, Barron, Harris, maybe Guhle. Will be interesting to see how things go.

Most of the guys you mentioned are rookies, they won't be much improvements over what we previously had.
Not even sure if most of them will even make the team. Even if all the guys you mention have decent-good rookie years, we should be pretty bad.
The one big question is Price. If he's back healthy playing as well as he does, ie about 2 GA per game...

Our group up front could be surprising...If Slaf jumps in to be a good winger right off the bat, Suzuki and Caufield take another step forward, Drouin's back in it, Dadonov bounces back up to his 65-70pt self, Dach shows why he went 3rd OV....add in Hoffman, Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak...It's actually a pretty decent group, some good depth there.

Will be an interesting year, but hopefully we will suck and land Bedard.

 

[Mister Hab]

This D-core (below) should help us get a top 3-5 pick (from the 2023 NHL Draft)...let's hope!!

Matheson - Savard
Edmundson - Wideman
Schueneman - Harris
Guhle (AHL/NHL?) - Barron (NHL?/AHL?)
Leskinen
(leftie-Harris can play on the RIGHT side, I assume)

Let Guhle and Barron develop/marinate (a bit more) as the 1st D-pairing in Laval (at least for 25-40 games...maybe more?).....??


P.S.: I really thought we'd get a 2nd for Petry AND Poehling.
(Matheson+2nd would have been better, imo).

 

[Dach Vader]

If Mike keeps growing as a player, could be looking back thinking this was a solid deal for us. Not expecting the moon from him but maybe he settles in as a 3-4.

I don't think Poehling was happy here. So I'm fine with it.

 

[McPhees Moustache]

He did mention in his presser the possibility of grabbing someone put on waivers (Habs are first till season starts for waivers).

Totally forgot about this - could be a decent chance to pick up a couple players from some deeper teams

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

We had for 2-3 years a very good defense with Subban-Markov-Petry and then Weber-Markov-Petry. Price was the major reason we won but the defense in front of him was actually more than decent. Even if Price is back to his usual self next season people should not expect miracle with the defense we have. Our best dman next season would not make the top 3 we used to have some years ago and while Emelin had its limitations he was at least elite at something so not sure i'd say the best dman we have atm is much better than him.

If Price returns next year with this defense he may sue the Canadiens for providing a dangerous work place environment...

 

[26Mats]

Most of the guys you mentioned are rookies, they won't be much improvements over what we previously had.
Not even sure if most of them will even make the team. Even if all the guys you mention have decent-good rookie years, we should be pretty bad.
The one big question is Price. If he's back healthy playing as well as he does, ie about 2 GA per game...

Our group up front could be surprising...If Slaf jumps in to be a good winger right off the bat, Suzuki and Caufield take another step forward, Drouin's back in it, Dadonov bounces back up to his 65-70pt self, Dach shows why he went 3rd OV....add in Hoffman, Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak...It's actually a pretty decent group, some good depth there.

Will be an interesting year, but hopefully we will suck and land Bedard.

Yes, I want us to be bad.

But as you mention, the forward group has some potential to surprise. They are 4 lines deep.

On D, mo doubt one would expect Guhle, Barron, and Harris to not be really good right off the bat. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that they actually all are pretty good next year, like Braden Schneider was this past year. All three will be at least 1 year older than Schneider was last year.