Epic Calder Race 2024-25
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People who actually watch hockey know that Zetterlund isn’t generally out there 6v5 at the end of games or deployed against top comp like Celebrini. But you keeping reading stat sheets and contriving narratives from them. Your ability to decipher a stat line is impressive.
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Grate n Colorful Oz
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Which still makes no sense because 1- dmen breakout older than forwards 2- the ppg difference between the top forwards vs defenders in the league is much greater than Celebrini's ppg difference with Hutson. You can see this also expressed in where Hutson lies among all-time rookie Dman. He's already 30th rookie D all-time for points with 22 games to go, whereas Celebrini extrapolated to 60 games (54 points) would be the 165th best rookie forward season if the season ended right now. Hutson would need a hypothetical 30 points to tie the rookie dman record. Extrapolated to 60 games (54 points), Celebrini would need 78 more points to tie the rookie forward record.
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Eklund plays in all situations, though. And do you mean that Sharks have let in 33 goals in 6-vs-5 this season?
Fledgemyhedge
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Celebrini is ahead because he’s been doing it the whole season consistently. Other guys have been in bursts. Especially michkov
narratives always pretty much been X vs Celebrini
narratives always pretty much been X vs Celebrini
Because Celebrini has been more consistent
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how can celebrini be the rookie of the year when will smith is propping him up
Who cares, who wins.
The calder trophy is such an random trophy. Some winners did not have a great career.
When Ovechkin won over Crosby, it was clear that both will be the face of the league.
This year: Celebrini is fantastic, Michkov is fantastic, Hutson is great, Wolf ist great.
Who cares, who is the winner? They all will have great careers imo.
The calder trophy is such an random trophy. Some winners did not have a great career.
When Ovechkin won over Crosby, it was clear that both will be the face of the league.
This year: Celebrini is fantastic, Michkov is fantastic, Hutson is great, Wolf ist great.
Who cares, who is the winner? They all will have great careers imo.
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slybel
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Well the debate cant be the +/- anymore...
A D leading the rookies... BuT hE's 21! uggg
fun fact: last time the Habs won the calder was in '72.
Almost won twice in 85-86... dam Lemieux and Suter! LOL
A D leading the rookies... BuT hE's 21! uggg
fun fact: last time the Habs won the calder was in '72.
Almost won twice in 85-86... dam Lemieux and Suter! LOL
Montreal fans should understand a lot of Sharks fans watched a shit load of Lane last year while both of them were on Boston in the NCAA, and are use to cheering on the kid and want him to do well. But also when they were both on the same team it was quite clear who the better/more important player was.
How is that relevant in this conversation? The Calder isn’t about which rookie will have the best career it’s about the best rookie season.
Panarin and mcdavid should’ve cemented that fact for everyone.
Celebrini will likely have a better Career then lane, but as a rookie defenseman he’s putting up better totals then some of the all time greats and is chasing down the all time record now. There is a very real chance that when the season is over he’s in the top 5 rookie point totals of a defenseman all time. He’s currently at 47 points ray bourque is currently 5th with 65 and housley is at 66. Even the top 10 would be insane and he’s only 9 pts back of that With 20 games to go. What on celebrinis resume this season would potentially usurp that?
This is exactly why i think Lane wins it. What he is doing is extraordinary by virtue of being a dman.
But either way, no one should be upset if Lane or Maclin wins it.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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You have a bias torward forwards, quite simply, let alone the fact he's your player, magnifying and exagerating the difference (quite clear). Both were highly important to BU. You do realize that Habs fans also followed BU in droves, but also did that the year before Macklin joined? The team record was already quite good the year before Macklin joined, with Lane as the MVP, so you're 'clearly' exagerating the difference in impact.
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I think if Hutson wins the rookie scoring race (a tall order) he wins the Calder. Yes, Celebrini missed some time but it’s a blueliner winning the scoring race. He’s currently tied for 8th in defenseman scoring overall.
Crazy to see Michkov putting himself back into this race. I think the break has obviously helped him greatly.
An interesting scenario would be if Hutson wins the rookie scoring race and Wolf leads Calgary to the playoffs… honestly, in that case it might well be Wolf winning the award.
PPG and primary points matter...
Also, it is not like Hutson is deployed in a defensive role, Celebrini doesn't get sheltered the same way.
Hutson has bad defensive numbers too.
Grate n Colorful Oz
Pure Laine Hutson
Position matters too. The difference in ppg is minimal between them versus the usual difference between forwards and dmen. That's why Hutson is top 10 in points among Ds, while Celebrini far down the top 100 forwards list.
Hutson would win it today. That I am sure of. The real question is will the Habs win back to back Calders?
Position does matter, and the player playing D is bad at D...
Celebrini is tied for 48th in PPG for all forwards
Grate n Colorful Oz
Pure Laine Hutson
Yeah, no. Hutson has a lower GA/60 than his team and goalies, despite getting the 2nd most EStoi on the team and consistently playing top 6 opposition.. He's playing on a bad team, but his defense is far from bad, if you actually watch him. He never had a good partner except for the handful of minutes he played with Guhle. He's been saddled to brain fart Matheson for a good deal of the season and despite that, has one of the best 5v5 +/- on the team's D (-2), better than Celebrini who's less encumbered by defensive responsibilities (-8).
Which is far removed from Hutson's own position vetsus top dmen.
Artaud
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You are twisting half-meaningful stats to make an argument that a few games of eye testing disprove.
I am a Habs fan and I think Hutson is one of the most exciting players this team has had in the 21st century. But he is not far from bad defensively. He routinely makes goalcosting mistakes by virtue of being a smaller rookie defensemen in the world's toughest league.
We should not kid ourselves that Hutson is either a shutdown D or a finished product. Even Celebrini, who's touted as a two-way ace, is making those kind of rookie mistakes. In fact, one could argue two of his mistakes cost goals against the habs om Thursday. It's normal, growing pains are expected. Good players figure it out eventually and no matter who ends up with the Calder, the fact that they are in this special crop prooves that they are good ones.
SannywithoutCompy
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Still here and still not watching him play eh?
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