Post-Game Talk: GM 60 | Kraken def. Canucks | 6-3 (Suter, Chytil, Joshua) | Pain and Suffering.

[Baby Pettersson]

As a positive note I appreciate you all and look forward to reading this forum everyday and chatting with all you fine folks.

Agree or disagree, every one of you makes this a special place that makes it worth being a Canucks fan.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I believe.

Agreed. If we do it right, I think some fans will be very surprised next year by February. Not saying we'll be world-beaters, but a lot of fans will be surprised.

We could still do it very wrong, though. And mostly it involves selling the asset EP for peanuts on the dollars.

Not pennies...literal peanuts.

I don't mean to point fingers, but I hope some of you are staying away from investing. Because some of you literally just don't have the stones for it. If you've made some good cash, I ain't talking about you...if you've lost some (like me) maybe rethink your mindset because y'all are a bunch of shrinking violets laying down in the dirt just waiting to be culled.

The risk is the juice, and you don't get it without being squeezed. I'm a business student by nature, not by trade. Not a very good one, but I've learnt the hardest way what mistakes I make and why.

Just don't be me and cut losses by being reactive instead of planning for having losses short-term, which'll most likely always happen. That's just how markets work, I don't have solid proof but a lifetime of thinking I'll do it better than "Stunt Average Joe #4" in my mind and it just don't work.

There are two types of smart thinkers in the world...one who'll think him or herself into box, and one who'll think his or her way out of it. And they can be the same exact person but on a different day with a different feng shui.

Nobody ever mentions the weather can make or break your day - Oasis.

As a positive note I appreciate you all and look forward to reading this forum everyday and chatting with all you fine folks.

Agree or disagree, every one of you makes this a special place that makes it worth being a Canucks fan.

That much I'll go to the bank and agree on. I know we don't get along great, but that's to be expected with so many unique personalities. Just know we make our own nations and I'd die for each and every last one of you, same as I would my own family.

Vancouverites know Vancouverites, and it ain't a city, but a state of mind. Strongest, toughest city I've ever been in with very little adversity to speak of.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Agreed. If we do it right, I think some fans will be very surprised next year by February. Not saying we'll be world-beaters, but a lot of fans will be surprised.

We could still do it very wrong, though. And mostly it involves selling the asset EP for peanuts on the dollars.

Not pennies...literal peanuts.

I don't mean to point fingers, but I hope some of you are staying away from investing. Because some of you literally just don't have the stones for it. If you've made some good cash, I ain't talking about you...if you've lost some (like me) maybe rethink your mindset because y'all are a bunch of shrinking violets laying down in the dirt just waiting to be culled.

The risk is the juice, and you don't get it without being squeezed. I'm a business student by nature, not by trade. Not a very good one, but I've learnt the hardest way what mistakes I make and why.

Just don't be me and cut losses by being reactive instead of planning for having losses short-term, which'll most likely always happen. That's just how markets work, I don't have solid proof but a lifetime of thinking I'll do it better than "Stunt Average Joe #4" in my mind and it just don't work.

There are two types of smart thinkers in the world...one who'll think him or herself into box, and one who'll think his or her way out of it. And they can be the same exact person but on a different day with a different feng shui.

Nobody ever mentions the weather can make or break your day - Oasis.



That much I'll go to the bank and agree on. I know we don't get along great, but that's to be expected with so many unique personalities. Just know we make our own nations and I'd die for each and every last one of you, same as I would my own family.

Vancouverites know Vancouverites, and it ain't a city, but a state of mind. Strongest, toughest city I've ever been in with very little adversity to speak of.

I'm glad someone finally related the roster talk to trading in the stock market/crypto. I've never said it but it's always been on the back of my mind. Sell high buy low. Unfortunately the majority does the opposite...

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'm glad someone finally related the Petey talk to trading in the stock market/crypto. I've never said it but it's always been on the back of my mind. Sell high buy low. Unfortunately the majority does the opposite...

As I said (or I believe I did), I'm not a business student by trade, but by nature. I'm a good learner, but a shitty f***ing student.

I choose to invest with my gut. I suspect that's why I enjoy the eye test so much.

My brother (smart man, poor organizational skills) texted me when the JT Miller trade went down...."YO hockey players are just like horse racing but with humans not horses"....and, mind you, no mistakes that's exact quotation he was just likely stoned out his gourd because he shares a majority of his DNA with me.

If any of my youngest brothers chose to get into business proper, all I'd say is look the f*** out. But we don't have those kinds of personalities. We all had the opportunity and each of us shunned it harder than a straight choir boy in the morning with a classroom of girls. Just not quite built for it.

But this is all this is, just a bunch of horses that you either decide are worth a damn to invest in, or are habitually disappointed by until you have to shoot it with a broken leg.

It makes me sad an overwhelming majority of fans have decided to shoot the EP40 wagon, I don't necessarily not empathize with them, this season has been a debacle on his part for his price tag, but he asked for the price tag as well. So no I haven't been trying to excuse his play, so much as explain it away because I simply made a bet on ther kind of person he is at 17 and nothing he's shown me thus has been incorrect.

We trade him, I see us as that "plz tred on us snek" meme. We're begging for our own submission. I just...don't quit that easy. I'd rather die than break my ankle, but breaking your ankle is not nearly as bad as dying.

That's why every doom and gloom post gets me going like a grease monkey on a horny mongoose. I hate a quitter more than anything, but I don't love an easy giver-upper neither.

 

[Hit the post]

yes and no. Benning left a f*** ton of bad contracts and absolutely nothing in terms of assets. Yeah he left Demko, Bo, Petey, Hughes, Miller and Brock but that was pretty much it oh and a bunch of cap anchors. Hell we had f***ing Poolman on our cap until he was finally traded this year.
I’ve said over and over again on this, it would take years to overcome the shit Benning left behind because it was so f***ing bad.

Was the farm system really any better after 7 years of Benning (fairly decent draft position given how many seasons we weren't even .500/in lottery pick contention) than the empty farm system Benning inherited from Gillis?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Was the farm system really any better after 7 years of Benning (fairly decent draft position given how many seasons we weren't even .500/in lottery pick contention) than the empty farm system Benning inherited from Gillis?

Thems the $20 questions, big spender.

That answer is a complicated yes that involves the better management of the farm system and the closer proximity and better reliability in housing for players taxiing from Van to Abby.

JB facilitated, but I think Linden and Gillis were strong advocates for that change in the farm system and I think Ruthervin are reaping the benefits. I think all 3 of the aforementioned have big roles to thank for that change I suppose.

I really did not care for JB as a manager, but it's OK to admit his success (few as I believe there are) in the face of his yes, failures.

 

[Nuckles]

Canucks 30 game splits. The goals for and the road record jump out. One leads to the other - Paterson

 

[PuckMunchkin]

What management does this trade deadline will say a lot about their level of competence.

They are competent in their execution of a plan that was from the get go plainly incredibly flawed.

It will be a massive missed opportunity if this management group is now dismantled and who knows what Aquaman hires as their replacement.

 

[kanucks25]

They are competent in their execution of a plan that was from the get go plainly incredibly flawed.

It will be a massive missed opportunity if this management group is now dismantled and who knows what Aquaman hires as their replacement.

If you're suggesting they should have rebuilt from the start, it just wasn't a realistic course of action given the roster and star players they had under control.

Yes their plan would be tough to execute but they did a pretty good job of it up until the decisions they made on the defense this past summer.

And let's be real, regardless of the poor off-season, if Pettersson wasn't a complete ghost we'd comfortably be in a playoff position right now and not many would be questioning the direction.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

W

If you're suggesting they should have rebuilt from the start, it just wasn't a realistic course of action given the roster and star players they had under control.

Yes their plan would be tough to execute but they did a pretty good job of it up until the decisions they made on the defense this past summer.

And let's be real, regardless of the poor off-season, if Pettersson wasn't a complete ghost we'd comfortably be in a playoff position right now and not many would be questioning the direction.

We obviously disagree.

There was an opportunity to take a more long term view instead of pushing for the playoffs every year (like the Benning regime has done and the Gillis regime before him.)

We are utterly out of capital and keep pushing chips in for "anything can happen when you make the playoffs."

 

[kanucks25]

W

We obviously disagree.

There was an opportunity to take a more long term view instead of pushing for the playoffs every year (like the Benning regime has done and the Gillis regime before him.)

We are utterly out of capital and keep pushing chips in for "anything can happen when you make the playoffs."

I don't really think they're going for the "anything can happen in the playoffs".

I think last year the goal was to simply compete for a playoff spot; JR said himself before the season started that a lot would have to go right for them to make the playoffs, which means he thought they were a bubble team.

Building on that, this season they would take a step and "make noise" in the playoffs without being a legit contender.

And then next season, perhaps with some help from guys on ELC's, they would push themselves into legit contender territory. This is all under the assumption that Pettersson didn't disappear, Miller didn't become a malcontent, and Demko didn't become a band-aid. And if all those things didn't happen - which was a safe assumption to make because who the hell could have predicted all of that - they'd probably be in a pretty good spot right now.

So it wasn't a full rebuild, but they were building towards something, not just pushing all in.

Again, imagine if Petey didn't completely fall off a cliff: he would be contributing, JT would likely still be here and contributing, and because of that we'd be in a fine position. Would we be considered a top threat? No, but with Lekk and Willander coming and a decent amount of open cap space, there's no reason why we couldn't be a top threat next season.

I think a lot of people underestimate just how much Pettersson's lack of production has killed this team. On and off the ice, the trickle down effect has been massive.

 

[LordBacon]

As a positive note I appreciate you all and look forward to reading this forum everyday and chatting with all you fine folks.

Agree or disagree, every one of you makes this a special place that makes it worth being a Canucks fan.

My mama always said I was special

 

[theguardianII]

Barry Pederson registered almost a point a game a season for the first two years he was in Vancouver before injuries saddles his career. Stop coveting back Cam Neely who was a bum in Vancouver and couldn't hit the net.
We're throwing our guys under the bus like we always do. We loved Mat Cooke, Todd Bertuzzi, and even Cloutier until we traded them away. There's dozens of guys like that we've done that to.

I'm now holding my breath until you stop. Hhhhhmmmmmm.

FYI Neely was traded at age 20 and he scored 51 goals in his very short time here as well as numerous "dances". He was a power forward at age 18. He got traded due to LaForge wanting a center.
Pederson had surgery on his upper arm reducing it's strength. He got close to a point per game but never go there.
I personally rarely throw a player under the bus but will criticize "money puck".

On Pettersson I have tried to find an excuse for poor performances and almost always say he will do better on another team and he isn't suitable to Tocchet's "boards guys" system.
I find the attention on one player is to distract from other deficiencies. There is no "I" in team.
And often those who build the team get carde blanche by blaming players

 

[theguardianII]

As I said (or I believe I did), I'm not a business student by trade, but by nature. I'm a good learner, but a shitty f***ing student.

I choose to invest with my gut. I suspect that's why I enjoy the eye test so much.

My brother (smart man, poor organizational skills) texted me when the JT Miller trade went down...."YO hockey players are just like horse racing but with humans not horses"....and, mind you, no mistakes that's exact quotation he was just likely stoned out his gourd because he shares a majority of his DNA with me.

If any of my youngest brothers chose to get into business proper, all I'd say is look the f*** out. But we don't have those kinds of personalities. We all had the opportunity and each of us shunned it harder than a straight choir boy in the morning with a classroom of girls. Just not quite built for it.

But this is all this is, just a bunch of horses that you either decide are worth a damn to invest in, or are habitually disappointed by until you have to shoot it with a broken leg.

It makes me sad an overwhelming majority of fans have decided to shoot the EP40 wagon, I don't necessarily not empathize with them, this season has been a debacle on his part for his price tag, but he asked for the price tag as well. So no I haven't been trying to excuse his play, so much as explain it away because I simply made a bet on ther kind of person he is at 17 and nothing he's shown me thus has been incorrect.

We trade him, I see us as that "plz tred on us snek" meme. We're begging for our own submission. I just...don't quit that easy. I'd rather die than break my ankle, but breaking your ankle is not nearly as bad as dying.

That's why every doom and gloom post gets me going like a grease monkey on a horny mongoose. I hate a quitter more than anything, but I don't love an easy giver-upper neither.

He who hesitates loses.
The early bird gets the worm.
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Don't spend good money after bad.
You can't win back the money you lost by gambling more.
Sometimes the value of the parts don't equal the whole.

Lots of sayings or truths or advice.

For me it was failing to plan is planning to fail. And taking proactive action is better than only reaction.

PVR's the game, once the Canucks scored two I watched some other stuff, I figured the Canucks would win.
Oops.
Did I see that Hughes tweeked his injury again?
That ought to make the TDL interesting.
I guess they buy if making the playoffs this year is the only goal, they might make it.

 

[geebaan]

Is Petey even fixable at this point? Would you take a 2nd round pick for him if someone took the whole contract?

I don’t know, but I do NOT envy Alvin or Rutherford right now.

 

[mriswith]

If you're suggesting they should have rebuilt from the start, it just wasn't a realistic course of action given the roster and star players they had under control.

Yes their plan would be tough to execute but they did a pretty good job of it up until the decisions they made on the defense this past summer.

And let's be real, regardless of the poor off-season, if Pettersson wasn't a complete ghost we'd comfortably be in a playoff position right now and not many would be questioning the direction.

Not rebuild but reload. It was only unrealistic given who owns the team, not given the actual state of the team. Almost the entire roster needed to be turned over and that was an inevitable multi-year project during which we would not be competitive no matter what.

Immediately selling off the UFA aged players for 2023 1sts and whatever else they could get would have fit very nicely with the core's timeline and we ended up doing this or trying to anyways, for worse assets at a later date, so instead of doing it when it would have fit the cores timeline it's now part of weird contortions to make this window work where we have to sell our older players to teams trying to compete now, but we also have to get win now assets in return and/or coordinate an immediate flip of futures.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

They brought me back in last year.

Cancelling my Rogers SN package asap. Jerseys are getting stored away. I'm done with watching this group of losers.

Feels like 2016-2018 when I barely watched hockey nor spent any money on this shit.

I hope that some of the others on this board who clearly are brought no joy by the Canucks will follow suit.

I get it, it's been a rough as hell season.

But seriously for some of you. If you hate it that much. STOP. Go do anything else and stop breeding endless negativity.

I'm not asking for pollyannaish optimism. But the 'we're cooked, Hughes will leave, Petey will never be good again, we'll go all-in at the deadline and lose in the 1st round'. Like why? Who is that for? If that's how you feel, find a hobby you enjoy.

 

[Grumbler]

Should be at full tank mode right now.

 

[BWJM]

Absolute STUD 1st line C we have on this team folks.

 

[Soups On]

It is astonishing to see how useless Petey is right now. One of, if not, the biggest fall off from a star player I've ever seen. This isn't a case of a player like Cheechoo being a great finisher and then falling off - Petey made a line run and was a game breaker.

They really should shut him down for 6-8 weeks so he can strength train and relearn how to shoot the puck. Can't remember the last time he shot a one timer.

Looks like a sellers market right now - sell Soucy, Suter, Forbort, and Boeser if they can't re-sign him. A full scale rebuild won't work but they can probably flip those returned assets for players that can drive more offense in expanded roles.

 

[ManVanFan]

The losses are starting to pile up. The roster is mostly signed for next season.

I enjoyed tonights game. It's a good thing Lankinen was just extended. He's looking like a valuable trade chip. Get it done before the NMC kicks in. I don't think anyone this management has extended has played better after.

Blueger 0 points in 24 games. Freshly extended
Joshua 3 points in 13 games. Freshly extended. Give him a pass it's been a rough year.
Pettersson the forward freshly extended. Let's pray.
Myers freshly extended down from last year but up from previous. Playing balls out right now.
Hronek fresh extension about the same as Myers. Up and down mostly due to team play I'd guess.

God damn, forgot Hoglander. His extension hasn't even kicked in yet and he's having the worst season of his career.

If they get on trading away parts early. I really think the team could get down to 10th. Good players available around there still.

 

[Coffee]

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Absolute STUD 1st line C we have on this team folks.

He keeps the game calm

 

[iFan]

Is Petey even fixable at this point? Would you take a 2nd round pick for him if someone took the whole contract?

I don’t know, but I do NOT envy Alvin or Rutherford right now.

If I was a fan of another team and we traded for Pettersson, I wouldn’t be thrilled about it.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

As a positive note I appreciate you all and look forward to reading this forum everyday and chatting with all you fine folks.

Agree or disagree, every one of you makes this a special place that makes it worth being a Canucks fan.

It’s not an exaggeration to say that for a bulk of the last decade - plus of hockey, HF Van has been the best part of being a Canucks fan.

 

[Caboose]

As I said (or I believe I did), I'm not a business student by trade, but by nature. I'm a good learner, but a shitty f***ing student.

I choose to invest with my gut. I suspect that's why I enjoy the eye test so much.

My brother (smart man, poor organizational skills) texted me when the JT Miller trade went down...."YO hockey players are just like horse racing but with humans not horses"....and, mind you, no mistakes that's exact quotation he was just likely stoned out his gourd because he shares a majority of his DNA with me.

If any of my youngest brothers chose to get into business proper, all I'd say is look the f*** out. But we don't have those kinds of personalities. We all had the opportunity and each of us shunned it harder than a straight choir boy in the morning with a classroom of girls. Just not quite built for it.

But this is all this is, just a bunch of horses that you either decide are worth a damn to invest in, or are habitually disappointed by until you have to shoot it with a broken leg.

It makes me sad an overwhelming majority of fans have decided to shoot the EP40 wagon, I don't necessarily not empathize with them, this season has been a debacle on his part for his price tag, but he asked for the price tag as well. So no I haven't been trying to excuse his play, so much as explain it away because I simply made a bet on ther kind of person he is at 17 and nothing he's shown me thus has been incorrect.

We trade him, I see us as that "plz tred on us snek" meme. We're begging for our own submission. I just...don't quit that easy. I'd rather die than break my ankle, but breaking your ankle is not nearly as bad as dying.

That's why every doom and gloom post gets me going like a grease monkey on a horny mongoose. I hate a quitter more than anything, but I don't love an easy giver-upper neither.

As such a tough, gut it out, bad boy I'm shocked you are such a staunch believer in Pettersson.

Tendonitis almost always comes down to how much pain tolerance and perseverance you have to push through with the required rehab and re-strengthening.

I've never seen someone in the NBA or NHL collapse so badly due to the discomfort of Tendonitis like Pettersson has.

I pray for the sake of the Canucks that Pettersson can bounce back so we can trade him for a massive haul before his next minor ailment turns him back into a pumpkin.