Panarin: Yes or No?

[Doctyl]

I dont understand the concern

No one can be happy ever. Some people want to watch the world burn.

 

[Calad]

I think Kreider has to go in order for Panarin to make any sense.

Trouba+Panarin would eat all of the open space. Clearing Vesey +buying out Smith or Shattenkirk (or trading him at 50%) won't be enough to sign the RFA's.

Plus you want to leave some wiggle room. We have cap flexibility, lets keep it that way.

We still open up another 40 million in cap space in the following 2 offseasons. 1 year of being a bit handcuffed while we wait for the rest of our prospects to arrive is not gonna do a rebuild any harm.

 

[CasusBelli]

After the Trouba trade — and assuming we lock up Trouba long-term — I’m going to have to change my vote to “Yes.” And just like that we have three top six forwards in our top line. Regardless of what we do with CK, we should have competitive top-two lines in a few years.

 

[ElLeetch]

After the Trouba trade — and assuming we lock up Trouba long-term — I’m going to have to change my vote to “Yes.” And just like that we have three top six forwards in our top line. Regardless of what we do with CK, we should have competitive top-two lines in a few years.

Same. have to change my vote to Yes. you go all in, or not at all. no half measures.

 

[Tob]

Asking price from Panarin is going to be $12,499,999.99/year for 7 years if Skinner got $9M, Hayes got $7.14M. Panarin should not have to settle for anything less than $11.25M. Have to imagine Florida might be able to swing a cheaper deal with lower taxes but it'll be $11.25M+ for us. I'll pass on Panarin for that price. Hard to imagine prices getting any higher than that since McDavid is at $12.5M. Nothing is going to be won unless Smith, Staal, Shattenkirk, and Henrik's combined $25M+ comes off the books for good, buyout and retention or not. Two years of expensive Panarin before that happens, plus a 30 years old Panarin to start the first SSSL capless year, I think we can wait for a good player to knock on our door next off season or the one after that or even the one after that.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I don’t care if we traded for an 18 year old Crosby.

Stay the course. Pass on Panarin.

 

[Zub]

It would be perfect.

 

[True Blue]

Same. have to change my vote to Yes. you go all in, or not at all. no half measures.

There is nothing in the Trouba trade that screams out that they are "all in". If they are all in, then why not sign Hayes and resign Zucc while are at it?

All the Trouba trade continues to demonstrate is that Gorton is willing to strike quickly to get the asset that he wants and sees to be a part of the future. There is nothing about it that screams "The rebuild is over!".

 

[True Blue]

I don’t care if we traded for an 18 year old Crosby.

Stay the course. Pass on Panarin.

Agreed. There is a path, but too many dominoes need to fall just right.

 

[charliemurphy]

There is nothing in the Trouba trade that screams out that they are "all in". If they are all in, then why not sign Hayes and resign Zucc while are at it?

All the Trouba trade continues to demonstrate is that Gorton is willing to strike quickly to get the asset that he wants and sees to be a part of the future. There is nothing about it that screams "The rebuild is over!".

Some would argue that Panarin falls into that category as well.

 

[True Blue]

Some would argue that Panarin falls into that category as well.

By that aspect, again why not bring back Hayes and have him be a part of the future as well? In fact, any free agent you sign to let's say at least 3 years is a part of the future.

 

[haveandare]

By that aspect, again why not bring back Hayes and have him be a part of the future as well? In fact, any free agent you sign to let's say at least 3 years is a part of the future.

Because Panarin is twice the player Hayes is and thatd be two huge long term commitments up front while the d still sucks.

Panarin maybe being “the player Gorton wants” in no way indicates that Hayes or anyone else is also that. They’re extremely different.

 

[charliemurphy]

By that aspect, again why not bring back Hayes and have him be a part of the future as well? In fact, any free agent you sign to let's say at least 3 years is a part of the future.

Not at 7 years and 7.1 per for Hayes. Especially if they have intentions on adding more depth at center on Friday night. If there's a FA that fits for at least 3 years... I'm all aboard.

 

[True Blue]

Because Panarin is twice the player Hayes is and thatd be two huge long term commitments up front while the d still sucks.

Panarin maybe being “the player Gorton wants” in no way indicates that Hayes or anyone else is also that. They’re extremely different.

My rebuttal was to the point that signing Panarin means that he is a part of the future. Signing virtually any UFA, not just Panarin, more than likely means that they are a part of the future. Unless they sign a one or two year deal.

 

[True Blue]

Not at 7 years and 7.1 per for Hayes. Especially if they have intentions on adding more depth at center on Friday night. If there's a FA that fits for at least 3 years... I'm all aboard.

Then that player also becomes a part of the future, no?

Regarding their intentions, we have no idea. Right now, getting one of the centers they wanted in the first round looks like a long shot. They could just be going with a Chytil/Howden duo at 2C. I cannot see them signing a vet for short term to clog the picture up further for a few years.

 

[charliemurphy]

Then that player also becomes a part of the future, no?

Regarding their intentions, we have no idea. Right now, getting one of the centers they wanted in the first round looks like a long shot. They could just be going with a Chytil/Howden duo at 2C. I cannot see them signing a vet for short term to clog the picture up further for a few years.

Totally agree with regard to center. And I'm not convinced if Andersson is necessarily out of the picture when it comes to centering although I'm more convinced that Chytil's future will be on wing.
As far as a long shot in this draft in getting a center. I think its safe to say that Gorton has come up with things that nobody expects so I can't rule it out that he'll throw a lot on the table to get a center like Zegras. I never would have thought we'd luck out and 2OA... perhaps the hockey gods are in play here. Biggest off-season in recent memory if ever... lets keep it going.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[NernieBichols]

I think I said this last night, but if you were to ask a lot of people with the team about their dream scenario, you'd probably get something like this:

1. Move Kreider for a first. Walk away with a guy the team loves in the draft (let's say Cozens for the sake of this conversation).

2. Move Shattenkirk for a similar contract at forward (let's insert Perry there for the sake of this conversation).

3. Move Vesey's contract.

4. Sign Panarin. About 90 percent of his contract is paid for by the money they've would've spent on Kreider and Vesey.

4. Kakko and Kravtsov slide right into the NHL. Hiccups and all, they have successful rookie campaigns.

5. Names and Strome give them versatility throughout the season. One or both are moved at the deadline.

6. A guy like Cozens makes the jump in 2020, along with Miller and Barron.

7. The Rangers have an understanding of what they need in 2020 and start making deals to fill holes. They take advantage of emerging situations with other teams.

Wow, Barron hmm. They think he’s a real player huh. That stuck out to me in your post

 

[NernieBichols]

Wait are you guys still questioning if the rangers are gonna offer him a contract ?

Is it pretty clear they want him bad at this point?
Edge has kinda stopped hedging his post about people he’s talked to dream scenario says it all

 

[Edge]

Wow, Barron hmm. They think he’s a real player huh. That stuck out to me in your post

They like his potential as a good support guy. Not a star, but as a complimentary forward with some versatility.

Wait are you guys still questioning if the rangers are gonna offer him a contract ?

Is it pretty clear they want him bad at this point?
Edge has kinda stopped hedging his post about people he’s talked to dream scenario says it all

Well my thoughts on offering the contract haven't changed much, but I'd by lying if I didn't report that there's a desire from the Rangers to explore the possibility.

 

[NernieBichols]

They like his potential as a good support guy. Not a star, but as a complimentary forward with some versatility.



Well my thoughts on offering the contract haven't changed much, but I'd by lying if I didn't report that there's a desire from the Rangers to explore the possibility.

You need your stars. But whenever you land an unexpected ‘player’ like Barron as later rd pick, that’s just as important imo

 

[Maximus]

So my Ranger brothers and maybe there are some sisters in here, now that we have acquired Trouba in what was what we can all agree was grand larceny committed by Gorton as he fleeced the Jets for whatever the reasons are that have been discussed ad nausea, do any of y'all who originally voted in the poll I commenced over a month ago to NOT go for Panarin, do any of you have some 2nd thoughts now and now think JD and Gorton should do all they can do to convince the Breadman to take his talents to MSG?

There's been a ton of posts here but from recollection, I know the main reasons most of y'all who originally voted to not want Panarin in the poll I started was due to the "timing not being right" and you hoped we would be a lottery team again as by time Panarin was in his 5th to 7th year of his likely 11 mill per contract, he wouldn't be as productive vis a vis the timeline when the Rangers were serious Cup contenders...does that sound right?

Does the Trouba trade make you rethink your original vote? My .02 coppers are had I voted to not want Panarin originally, now that Trouba is in the fold, I'd think the odds of us being a lottery team and sucking this upcoming season are not too good at all. We are likely a middle feeder team at this point. If we add Panarin now that we have Trouba withought having given up any assets whatsoever, we likely could and would be a bubble playoff team.

As a bonus, the "rebuild" could and will continue in earnest. Anyways, just curious if any of y'all "no Panarin's" now have second thoughts and now think bringing him in and having him as a first liner on this team is a good idea after all.

 

[Kaapo Kakko]

I say go for it. Even if they're rebuilding that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve the team as much as possible right now. Fans pay a lot of money to go to these games. They should have something respectable to watch!

 

[Larrybiv]

I’m assuming 10 for 7 and then it’s a yes for me. That would also mean trading Kreider more likely, meaning we would also get a pick/prospect, making it even more lucrative.

I voted YES Max, and replying to this post by Kallio.
My reasoning. I am VERY concerned about that "losing locker room". We will have a further influx of new players on the team and from the looks of it, we will end up in the bottom 10 in the league yet again. Albeit GOOD for the draft position, I don't care much for an abysmal season. Last year, lots of really good things were seen on the TV screen with our Rangers, I want that to continue.
Getting Panarin would add "additional entertaainment" and joining Zbad as 2 of the leaders on our team and providing leadership for the youngins.
These long term contracts NEVER turn out good and am deathly afraid of this Panarin deal as it WILL always be a monstrous contract and a mainstay for 7 years. It is a chance that we "should take" regardless.

I am a proponent of KEEPING KREIDS, but I suppose if we sign Panarin, Kreids does become expendable (somewhat) and we can further deepen our farm.......which means if you say a Panarin/Kreider is a wash(and it isn't).......then we will have paid 3 or 4 million (the difference in contracts) for whatever we get for Kreids.
I guess that is a good thing.

Just look how many feel we are "stuck" with Staal's, Shatty's and Smith's contracts. Even Hank has become a financial burden, but I suppose he deserves everything he gets for what he has provided throughout his career.
Will Panarin become the above in years 6 and 7? We will see.

 

[True Blue]

Is it pretty clear they want him bad at this point?

I do not think so at all. I think that Gorton will explore the possibility. Why not? That said, when all is said and done, I believe that Panarin's contract demands will prove to be too rich. Not to mention that there are several dominoes that would need to fall in place first.

I do think that there are several paths to Panarin that, if the dominoes fall right, could land him at MSG. Gorton checking on him does not mean the he is dying to bring him here. Things will be much more clear by the time Friday is over.