Still against it.
Ask me again after Friday.
Ask me again after Friday.
Panarin: Yes or No?
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Chaels Arms
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Still against it but as I've said before I'd be more surprised if we weren't in on him than if we are.
Im just saying I know what your ideal plan is or what would need to happen for you to switch your vote.
Trade Kreider for the 1st rounder. Then sign Panarin
I think Kreider has to go in order for Panarin to make any sense.
Trouba+Panarin would eat all of the open space. Clearing Vesey +buying out Smith or Shattenkirk (or trading him at 50%) won't be enough to sign the RFA's.
Plus you want to leave some wiggle room. We have cap flexibility, lets keep it that way.
Maximus
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I think the trade for Trouba make it more likely we will be all in for Panarin. I truly believe that when Gorton sent that letter to the season ticket holders and us as a fanbase that yes we were going to rebuild mainly utlizing current assets to trade for draft picks but at same time, I think he wanted this rebuild to not take 5 years or so.
I think Gorton wanted to do a true rebuild at same time as acquiring ready made NHL players...kind of like a new type of rebuild. I also firmly believe winning the lottery and us now having Kakko accelerated the rebuild to where JD/Gorton are thinking playoffs this year while we rebuild. I've been thinking as a few of my posts here have said, that I thought we had a real shot at being a bubble playoff team this upcoming season even withought Panarin.
Now that we have Trouba and if we can add Panarin, this rebuild just morphed to where I'd be surprised if we didn't make the playoffs. Man this is truly amazing how this has all come togehether and so quickly as well. I think Gorton and JD will 99% be all in on bringing Panarin to the Apple and that makes me very happy as we are going to have a damn good team alot quicker than even the most pessimistic Debbie Downer Ranger fan in here thought.
I think Gorton wanted to do a true rebuild at same time as acquiring ready made NHL players...kind of like a new type of rebuild. I also firmly believe winning the lottery and us now having Kakko accelerated the rebuild to where JD/Gorton are thinking playoffs this year while we rebuild. I've been thinking as a few of my posts here have said, that I thought we had a real shot at being a bubble playoff team this upcoming season even withought Panarin.
Now that we have Trouba and if we can add Panarin, this rebuild just morphed to where I'd be surprised if we didn't make the playoffs. Man this is truly amazing how this has all come togehether and so quickly as well. I think Gorton and JD will 99% be all in on bringing Panarin to the Apple and that makes me very happy as we are going to have a damn good team alot quicker than even the most pessimistic Debbie Downer Ranger fan in here thought.
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
Gorton doesn’t go all in. He has his price and if it’s met, he’ll make the deal.
Inferno
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Anti panarin still...but for funsies....
Trade kreider and vesey for a top 10ish pick and draft zegras who falls a bit.
Trade shatty at 50 for Marleau and kapanen. Buy out Marleau who signs back with the leafs for a league minimum.
Trade strome for a 2nd
Sign panarin
Kakko zibanejad buchnevich
Panarin chytil kravtsov
Lemieux zegras kapanen
Namestnikov howden lias
Not gonna have 3 rookies in the lineup...but it’s fun to play around with.
Trade kreider and vesey for a top 10ish pick and draft zegras who falls a bit.
Trade shatty at 50 for Marleau and kapanen. Buy out Marleau who signs back with the leafs for a league minimum.
Trade strome for a 2nd
Sign panarin
Kakko zibanejad buchnevich
Panarin chytil kravtsov
Lemieux zegras kapanen
Namestnikov howden lias
Not gonna have 3 rookies in the lineup...but it’s fun to play around with.
Would rather have Strome than Namestnikov.
No way Zegras would be ready to step in next year, right?
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
Exactly. I’ve been convinced that Trouba would be a Ranger. I thought a Skjei/Andersson package would be the price, which, IMO, is fair value. I never thought he would overpay for Trouba. (I didn’t think he’d get the deal he did.). I’ve been much less convinced about Panarin being a Ranger. If Kreider isn’t moved by July 1, then IMO, there’s no way Panarin becomes a Ranger. @Edge already hinted at the amount of moving parts, and most observers still rate Florida as the lead horse.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
The Trouba trade accelerates things no doubt. But what’s crazy is he’s only 25. Panarin has plenty of prime years left as well.
But they’ll have to clear out the dead wood and Hank to be in a position to keep these young’s kids around going forward.
Even then, it’s a bit touch and go. Better to have the money tied up in a RHD first pairing d if you have to have it somewher, to start
But they’ll have to clear out the dead wood and Hank to be in a position to keep these young’s kids around going forward.
Even then, it’s a bit touch and go. Better to have the money tied up in a RHD first pairing d if you have to have it somewher, to start
Only way both Kreider and Panarin are both on the team at the start of next season is both signed at reasonable cap hits while the team also moved out Namestnikov and Vesey. Possibly Buchnevich.
Edit: And right now I wouldnt put it past Gorton to make all that happen while also getting value back in those trades
AB13
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I would much rather get Andreas Johnsson than Kapanen but otherwise this sounds great.
Priorae
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Last nights trade is a perfect example that having flexibility is a good thing. I vote no on Panarin. There is considerable upside to avoiding crazy price and term.
Several Teams desperate to get the cup are going to be in significant trouble in 1-2 years (about the time I think we’ll be ready to contend). We should take advantage.
Several Teams desperate to get the cup are going to be in significant trouble in 1-2 years (about the time I think we’ll be ready to contend). We should take advantage.
mrmovies779
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Edge
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I think the choice is Panarin or Kreider, or neither. I feel 99 percent sure it’s not both. I don’t see them going with $18 for both, on top of $8 million for Trouba.
Do you think it could be possible if they move out Vesey-Names-Buch?
How much in salary is that?
$2.75-$4.0-??
Buch signs for $2.75 aav?
$9.5 overall off the books.
Replace with $925K each for Kravtsov and Kakko.
$7.5 leftover.
$6.25 million cap hit to Kreider.
$10.5 million cap hit to Panarin.
Now as I agreed with @jas Gorton will not go past his limit for anyone. He wont overpay or take less than what he feels the right value is. Gorton has handled everything very well
eco's bones
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I agree. The one thing though that I take from the Trouba deal is the Rangers are serious about being a better team next year. So I would expect that even if they move Kreider for a 1st and don't sign Panarin--they will still try to improve the quality of their forward group. They won't stand pat with just Zibanejad, Kakko and Buchnevich and a bunch of 3rd/4th liners and kids.
Definitely could be right that Kreider is asking for $7. And for me thats probably that breaking point where I feel more understanding that we have to move him. Really anything above $6.5 is not doable imo or that he is worth that. They could still trade him even if he is asking for $6 but at least that number is more tolerable for value vs cost.
Also part of this is the return via trade. I certainly would not be comfortable getting low balled on him.
If the Rangers moved out those bodies, kept Kreider, and signed Panarin, they could always deal Kreider at the trade deadline when teams are feeling the pressure to add to their team for the playoffs. Same for Trouba if we cant get him extended.
The flip side is if the Rangers surprise you have your own rental in Kreider.
Inferno
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I just don't see how the rangers can afford to go after panarin now with trouba presumably getting 8m a year. Theyd be in cap hell real fast.
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