Gluten Free Breadman
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What do we want? Elite Players.
When do we want them? Not Now.
When do we want them? Not Now.
Panarin: Yes or No?
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haveandare
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Or whenever you can get them for nothing but cap space which you have a huge amount of
Gluten Free Breadman
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I agree, guess my sarcasm doesn't read clearly through the internets.
BroadwayBlues
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smoneil
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https://nypost.com/2019/06/06/john-davidsons-first-rangers-priority-is-an-ahl-overhaul/
For folks who like to put a lot of stock in JD's statements (and for folks who keep insisting that the importance of a winning environment is BS):
"We’re putting more of everything into Hartford, from A to Z. You want to have a winning culture there, that’s to everyone’s advantage, you want to bring in high quality and character vets to establish a template for your kids, but the priority is development and you can never emphasize that enough. That’s where it starts. That’s the focus. That’s where it’s at."
"You need a mix there, too. It can’t all be kids. It’s vital to have veterans who are there for more than the money, but set examples and take leadership roles. I can point to Mark Letestu who did that for us [Columbus] in Cleveland. That’s the kind of veteran we want in Hartford. Like I say, you want to develop a winning attitude, but you also don’t want to necessarily win an AHL championship with a team that has eight 32-year-olds. You want to win with young people, the way we were able to do with Lake Erie."
“We’ve got to keep the faith and remain true to the program but at the same time, and this is very important, we have to be respectful of the veterans in the room. There has to be a balance. It’s very dangerous when players lose hope,” Davidson said. “I think that’s kind of what happened after the deadline, but I’ll tell you this, [coach] David Quinn had the team playing hard night in and night out. I think the coach did a hell of a job with the group.”
Sounds like JD and co value the idea of a competitive developmental environment just as much as some of us do. To be fair, that doesn't mean that he thinks signing Panarin is the right way to do that, but it DOES indicate that he isn't content to sit back and let the team dive in the standings because of ping pong odds.
For folks who like to put a lot of stock in JD's statements (and for folks who keep insisting that the importance of a winning environment is BS):
"We’re putting more of everything into Hartford, from A to Z. You want to have a winning culture there, that’s to everyone’s advantage, you want to bring in high quality and character vets to establish a template for your kids, but the priority is development and you can never emphasize that enough. That’s where it starts. That’s the focus. That’s where it’s at."
"You need a mix there, too. It can’t all be kids. It’s vital to have veterans who are there for more than the money, but set examples and take leadership roles. I can point to Mark Letestu who did that for us [Columbus] in Cleveland. That’s the kind of veteran we want in Hartford. Like I say, you want to develop a winning attitude, but you also don’t want to necessarily win an AHL championship with a team that has eight 32-year-olds. You want to win with young people, the way we were able to do with Lake Erie."
“We’ve got to keep the faith and remain true to the program but at the same time, and this is very important, we have to be respectful of the veterans in the room. There has to be a balance. It’s very dangerous when players lose hope,” Davidson said. “I think that’s kind of what happened after the deadline, but I’ll tell you this, [coach] David Quinn had the team playing hard night in and night out. I think the coach did a hell of a job with the group.”
Sounds like JD and co value the idea of a competitive developmental environment just as much as some of us do. To be fair, that doesn't mean that he thinks signing Panarin is the right way to do that, but it DOES indicate that he isn't content to sit back and let the team dive in the standings because of ping pong odds.
smoneil
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The part you bolded (that whole last section) are MY words. Everything else other than "Davidson said" were direct JD quotes.
Edge
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GeorgeKaplan
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If they end up playing out the season like they did last year (being in a lot of 1 goal games, but losing a lot of them) I don’t think they’d exactly call that uncompetitive
You basically paraphrased what Brooks said here -
"All this talk, all this focus, all of these resources (that means money, and lots of it, that cannot be capped by the NHL) and all of this commitment to the building process does not, however, mean the Rangers intend to roll over and wait for next April’s pingpong-ball bonanza. The Blueshirts intend to compete. They are not going to sit idly by on July 1 and allow their lambs to be led to the hockey slaughter."
Now I think this is lazy writing from Brooks, but I get what hes saying. There will be additions and subtractions made this summer, using July 1 automatically will get some people to think UFA, but there are other ways to add players.
Most of the article was based on improving their conditions at the AHL level and providing skills coaches for other drafted prospects.
The losing culture thing doesn't really hold any weight at the NHL level. JD himself praised Quinn for not allowing it to become an issue.
smoneil
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1st--I didn't paraphrase anybody. I've been saying that exact thing for over a week now (and that article came out yesterday).
2nd-- JD literally said that the losing culture thing needs to be avoided at the NHL level as well:
“We’ve got to keep the faith and remain true to the program but at the same time, and this is very important, we have to be respectful of the veterans in the room. There has to be a balance. It’s very dangerous when players lose hope,” Davidson said. “I think that’s kind of what happened after the deadline, but I’ll tell you this, [coach] David Quinn had the team playing hard night in and night out. I think the coach did a hell of a job with the group.”
Other than "Davidson said," every word there is JD. You chose to read only the last sentence and a half. He said plain as day that, after the deadline, the players started to lose hope, and then praised Quinn for not letting it get as bad as it could have. That's over a tiny portion of the season. They aren't going to let that kind of toxic losing culture run for a whole season. Every single quote from JD was highlighting the fact that their goal is to avoid that throughout the franchise.
At this point, with these extensive quotes, the question is not "will JD try to make the team more competitive" vs. "will they try to tank for another lotto pick." The quotes in that article shatter any honest claim to the second option.
The only valid question is HOW will JD help to make the team more competitive than they were post-deadline. It might involve making a play for Panarin. It might involve (though I REALLY hope not) trying to bring in a Karlsson or a Duchene. It might involve bringing in a couple of depth veterans on shorter term contracts. Regardless, that interview made it perfectly clear that shooting for a bottom 5 record is NOT the game plan (ie--the plan put forth by half the posters in this thread? Abjectly rejected by the team president).
smoneil
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I agree with this. In order to do that though, they need to replace SOME of what they traded away. The team that played most of those 1-goal games had Hayes and Zucc on it. They aren't going to be as competitive without those two and with Kreider likely gone as well (and that's IF Zibanejad and Buchnevich continue their play from last season).
That's why I personally like the Panarin option. He's still pretty young. Few NHL miles. He draws some attention away from KK and Krav. He provides a more veteran weapon for a young C like Chytil. He--by himself--fills a decent chunk of the scoring gap from losing Hayes/Zucc. I just see it as a great fit. Regardless, as long as they do SOMETHING to keep the team from being a doormat (and thus letting the kids get comfortable with losing), I'll be happy.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
This line would be an elite second line on the teams that beat us with better first lines.
Do you guys just make up whatever you want? It's like the never ending story.
Maybe Gordon will try, but it won`t be easy to sign him. Not that we have an ideal defense right now or next season without a massive upgrade on our blueline.
It has been a month since I post here almost due to vacation, and I need to do something different in the summer schedule than sport.
But I`ve 2 scenarios that could happen.
It has been a month since I post here almost due to vacation, and I need to do something different in the summer schedule than sport.
But I`ve 2 scenarios that could happen.
- J. Gordon will sign Panarin and upgrade our blueline at the same time to accellrate the rebuild topic.
- Rangers will continue to build in the draft and let our rebuild follow a natural course.
To be fair, aside from some fans desires, I do not think that was ever the game plan. Not under Gorton & Quinn.
The team will play hard and play all the games. Where they finish is a different story. You are right on what might be the path. You outline it well. But in no case do I believe that tanking is a part of the equation.
Bumping just because @Edge briefly hinted the Rangers may be considering Panarin if other events happen.
But also bumping because some of the concern around investing in Panarin was that the defense needed to be fixed.
We have added a monster on RD. We have more coming in the pipeline.
Does Gorton/JD pursue Panarin? Especially if they move Kreider out.
But also bumping because some of the concern around investing in Panarin was that the defense needed to be fixed.
We have added a monster on RD. We have more coming in the pipeline.
Does Gorton/JD pursue Panarin? Especially if they move Kreider out.
Edge
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If the Rangers move Kreider before July 1, and Panarin isn’t signed and sealed to Florida, the Rangers will definitely be in on Panarin.
Thanks Edge. And sorry to single you out there. Was only trying to get the discussion going as I think the Trouba move may provide a different angle to cover.
SA16
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Why would Panarin sign with Florida, even if they trade for his rights tomorrow, when he can just wait until Sunday and be able to talk to every team in the league? Unless he has absolutely no interest playing anywhere else it really doesn't make sense.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
So when Panarin was coming over, the league’s media training gurus had him with a group of players for whom they pounded home certain pronunciations. For anyone who was part of that training, the default programming will always be Pan-ur-in. It’s almost like an accent that comes out when you’ve had a few drinks.
The nearest thing I can compare it to was when Tyutin came over. Not only could no one give you an answer on the spelling, there was confusion over what letters to stress. On top of all that, Tyutin was an incredibly reserved kid who answered to all of them and never corrected anyone.
And if Dorofyev ever comes over, the next generation can enjoy the fun. Because it’s not Doro-fi-ev. It’s closer to sounding like Dera-feev.
not sure we are there yet but this is a HUGE domino to that potential...I've felt for a long time for panarin to make sense we needed a move to turn around the blueline quicker, you can't wait 3 years for miller and lundkvist and 'waste' half of panarin's contract. and used trouba as the example of the type of move we needed to make...
i'd probably still lean toward us not signing him if I had to pick...but this move definitely helps the argument for
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