Panarin: Yes or No?

[Edge]

I just don't see how the rangers can afford to go after panarin now with trouba presumably getting 8m a year. Theyd be in cap hell real fast.

I think any Panarin move includes moving Kreider.

Essentially, paying $4 million more.

I also think there's probably a few more contracts likely to come off the books - be it Vesey, Names, Strome, or even Fast.

 

[Edge]

I agree. The one thing though that I take from the Trouba deal is the Rangers are serious about being a better team next year. So I would expect that even if they move Kreider for a 1st and don't sign Panarin--they will still try to improve the quality of their forward group. They won't stand pat with just Zibanejad, Kakko and Buchnevich and a bunch of 3rd/4th liners and kids.

Funny thing is in texting with people last night, I really don't think next year is weighing too heavily on their mind. I think they view these as 2020 and beyond type moves because of the ages involved. For example, I had someone say flat out last night that internally a lot of people don't even like referring to it as an acceleration because of Trouba's age and what it cost.

 

[mrmovies779]

I think the choice is Panarin or Kreider, or neither. I feel 99 percent sure it’s not both. I don’t see them going with $18 for both, on top of $8 million for Trouba.

I agree.Gun to my head,i would prefer Panarin over Kreider.More term and money,but better results.

 

[Edge]

I agree.Gun to my head,i would prefer Panarin over Kreider.More term and money,but better results.

I think I said this last night, but if you were to ask a lot of people with the team about their dream scenario, you'd probably get something like this:

1. Move Kreider for a first. Walk away with a guy the team loves in the draft (let's say Cozens for the sake of this conversation).

2. Move Shattenkirk for a similar contract at forward (let's insert Perry there for the sake of this conversation).

3. Move Vesey's contract.

4. Sign Panarin. About 90 percent of his contract is paid for by the money they've would've spent on Kreider and Vesey.

4. Kakko and Kravtsov slide right into the NHL. Hiccups and all, they have successful rookie campaigns.

5. Names and Strome give them versatility throughout the season. One or both are moved at the deadline.

6. A guy like Cozens makes the jump in 2020, along with Miller and Barron.

7. The Rangers have an understanding of what they need in 2020 and start making deals to fill holes. They take advantage of emerging situations with other teams.

 

[charliemurphy]

All for it. Put everything on the table (Kreider, Georgiev, Vesey, Namestnikov, 2020 1st/2nds, etc.) for Buffalo and Edmonton even Colorado to get Zegras on Friday. Money off the books from moving them goes towards Panarin.

 

[Leetch3]

I agree. The one thing though that I take from the Trouba deal is the Rangers are serious about being a better team next year. So I would expect that even if they move Kreider for a 1st and don't sign Panarin--they will still try to improve the quality of their forward group. They won't stand pat with just Zibanejad, Kakko and Buchnevich and a bunch of 3rd/4th liners and kids.

trouba is 18 months older than pionk...this deal makes us much much better for next year, but its not a move for next year. its still part of the long term plans

 

[Crease]

The Rangers will finally have a major contributor on an ELC and need to take advantage of Kakko's cheap years.

 

[mrmovies779]

I think I said this last night, but if you were to ask a lot of people with the team about their dream scenario, you'd probably get something like this:

1. Move Kreider for a first. Walk away with a guy the team loves in the draft (let's say Cozens for the sake of this conversation).

2. Move Shattenkirk for a similar contract at forward (let's insert Perry there for the sake of this conversation).

3. Move Vesey's contract.

4. Sign Panarin. About 90 percent of his contract is paid for by the money they've would've spent on Kreider and Vesey.

4. Kakko and Kravtsov slide right into the NHL. Hiccups and all, they have successful rookie campaigns.

5. Names and Strome give them versatility throughout the season. One or both are moved at the deadline.

6. A guy like Cozens makes the jump in 2020, along with Miller and Barron.

7. The Rangers have an understanding of what they need in 2020 and start making deals to fill holes. They take advantage of emerging situations with other teams.

I could get behind that.I'm just not thrilled about moving Shattenkirk for an equally bad or even worse contract.At this stage though,it might be the only way to move him.

 

[Leetch3]

Funny thing is in texting with people last night, I really don't think next year is weighing too heavily on their mind. I think they view these as 2020 and beyond type moves because of the ages involved. For example, I had someone say flat out last night that internally a lot of people don't even like referring to it as an acceleration because of Trouba's age and what it cost.

to steal @GregSirico line 'music to my ears'

 

[mas0764]

I just don't see how the rangers can afford to go after panarin now with trouba presumably getting 8m a year. Theyd be in cap hell real fast.

They have tons of money getting freed up in another year or two. They’d probably have to forego any other big name free agents NEXT offseason, but by the year after itd be back to business as usual.

 

[Leetch3]

Lock up Panarin and Trouba. The Rangers finally have a major contributor on an ELC (Kakko). The window is before Kakko reaches UFA.

please don't start already with window talk LOL

 

[Edge]

trouba is 18 months older than pionk...this deal makes us much much better for next year, but its not a move for next year. its still part of the long term plans

Like you said, for all intents and purposes, Trouba is essentially a year-and-a-half older than Pionk and ADA. He's also younger than Nieves, a player who more or less is entering his sophomore season in the NHL.

Even if he settles into a comfortable role as a number 2 defenseman, and the Rangers still need that cornerstone type defenseman, the cost and timing work.

 

[haveandare]

Funny thing is in texting with people last night, I really don't think next year is weighing too heavily on their mind. I think they view these as 2020 and beyond type moves because of the ages involved. For example, I had someone say flat out last night that internally a lot of people don't even like referring to it as an acceleration because of Trouba's age and what it cost.

So there’s confidence that Trouba will be re-signed?

 

[Edge]

So there’s confidence that Trouba will be re-signed?

No one has said, flat out, that it's a sure thing. But I sense a very high confidence level.

 

[haveandare]

No one has said, flat out, that it's a sure thing. But I sense a very high confidence level.

Good to know. I assumed they wouldn’t have traded for him without confidence they can extend him, but at such a low price for the trade now it’s hard to say.

 

[Edge]

Good to know. I assumed they wouldn’t have traded for him without confidence they can extend him, but at such a low price for the trade now it’s hard to say.

@nyr2k2 posted an article that tends to reaffirm something I suspected - that Trouba essentially had a short list of places that interested him.

I think Winnipeg knew this, and knew it would get out if multiple teams starting talking directly with the player. While they probably suspected the Rangers knew they were on the short list, they didn't necessarily want to confirm that and have it work against them in any negotiations.

This is me speculating based on how things went down, reactions from people, and then the article that was posted. It fits together from a narrative perspective and aligns logically.

 

[eco's bones]

I think I said this last night, but if you were to ask a lot of people with the team about their dream scenario, you'd probably get something like this:

1. Move Kreider for a first. Walk away with a guy the team loves in the draft (let's say Cozens for the sake of this conversation).

2. Move Shattenkirk for a similar contract at forward (let's insert Perry there for the sake of this conversation).

3. Move Vesey's contract.

4. Sign Panarin. About 90 percent of his contract is paid for by the money they've would've spent on Kreider and Vesey.

4. Kakko and Kravtsov slide right into the NHL. Hiccups and all, they have successful rookie campaigns.

5. Names and Strome give them versatility throughout the season. One or both are moved at the deadline.

6. A guy like Cozens makes the jump in 2020, along with Miller and Barron.

7. The Rangers have an understanding of what they need in 2020 and start making deals to fill holes. They take advantage of emerging situations with other teams.

Looking at the Rangers left side of defense--Skjei is here for at least a few more years if the Rangers want--after that though we have Miller, Rykov, Hajek, Lindgren, Reunanen, Ragnarsson, Sjalin, Bigras---all of whom one day could conceivably be for real NHL players and I think at least half of them will--so the Rangers have a surplus on the left side going forward--not all of these guys are going to play for us--some of them will be moved.

And basically the Rangers used surplus in this deal to get a better player. The next couple/three years will be to figure out which players are keepers and which ones aren't. That scenario is likely to play out between Shesterkin and Georgiev and between the LD mentioned above. If the Rangers sign Trouba long term if might mean DeAngelo eventually gets moved as I think the Rangers are more into Fox--but there's also Lundkvist and Keane coming on the right side too.

Forwards we're not as deep at and we have to sort out who are our centers going forward out of Chytil, Howden and Andersson. I think if we manage somehow to snag one of Cozens, Zegras, Dach, Turcotte or Newhook though--that guy will be one of our centers and likely will put one of the others on the trade block.

 

[True Blue]

I think any Panarin move includes moving Kreider.

Essentially, paying $4 million more.

I also think there's probably a few more contracts likely to come off the books - be it Vesey, Names, Strome, or even Fast.

Now, the path to Panarin starts by moving Kreider. And yes, some more names. But truth be told, I think that there are more forwards that should be moved.

I said this a few times now, I also believe that a path to Panarin could be if Shero second guesses himself and takes Kakko first, leaving Hughes for the Rangers. If that were to happen, I believe that Gorton would begin rearranging the chairs around the table to get him.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think I said this last night, but if you were to ask a lot of people with the team about their dream scenario, you'd probably get something like this:

1. Move Kreider for a first. Walk away with a guy the team loves in the draft (let's say Cozens for the sake of this conversation).

2. Move Shattenkirk for a similar contract at forward (let's insert Perry there for the sake of this conversation).

3. Move Vesey's contract.

4. Sign Panarin. About 90 percent of his contract is paid for by the money they've would've spent on Kreider and Vesey.

4. Kakko and Kravtsov slide right into the NHL. Hiccups and all, they have successful rookie campaigns.

5. Names and Strome give them versatility throughout the season. One or both are moved at the deadline.

6. A guy like Cozens makes the jump in 2020, along with Miller and Barron.

7. The Rangers have an understanding of what they need in 2020 and start making deals to fill holes. They take advantage of emerging situations with other teams.

We're finally on the same page

 

[Fugazy]

So there’s confidence that Trouba will be re-signed?

He better be.

 

[duhmetreE]

I dont understand the concern

 

[theFiGS]

Yes 1

 

[theFiGS]

Yes 100 times over, I want him bad. He's not just skill and points, seeing him in the playoffs he was was all heart and got into it, I see a guy who wants a cup more than anything. Yes he will be expensive but we have young pups around him making scraps for a few years, but if means krieder gotta go then I don't know but I thought but I think we can pay panarin now and trouba late next year. Panarin kakko kratzov chytil trouba zibanijad kreider not to mention Kandre Miller who I think will be a Norris worthy player and others like Anderson if he pans out. But I'm ready now, I see a return to a cup in the next 3-5 years

 

[kovazub94]

Waited to answer this poll question until today because what happened this offseason are the type of pre-requisites I needed to make the choice.

 

[kovazub94]

Looking at the Rangers left side of defense--Skjei is here for at least a few more years if the Rangers want--after that though we have Miller, Rykov, Hajek, Lindgren, Reunanen, Ragnarsson, Sjalin, Bigras---all of whom one day could conceivably be for real NHL players and I think at least half of them will--so the Rangers have a surplus on the left side going forward--not all of these guys are going to play for us--some of them will be moved.

And basically the Rangers used surplus in this deal to get a better player. The next couple/three years will be to figure out which players are keepers and which ones aren't. That scenario is likely to play out between Shesterkin and Georgiev and between the LD mentioned above. If the Rangers sign Trouba long term if might mean DeAngelo eventually gets moved as I think the Rangers are more into Fox--but there's also Lundkvist and Keane coming on the right side too.

Forwards we're not as deep at and we have to sort out who are our centers going forward out of Chytil, Howden and Andersson. I think if we manage somehow to snag one of Cozens, Zegras, Dach, Turcotte or Newhook though--that guy will be one of our centers and likely will put one of the others on the trade block.

Skjei salary will be very palatable while he's a top-4 so I expect that at least two LD prospects would need to surpass him before he's to be moved for value (which I don't think will be difficult at all).