Panarin: Yes or No?

[chosen]

Because they cannot possibly compete with the team the way that it stands right now, with the unknown being how much of a step forward last year's youngsters take, not knowing how much of a Day 1 impact this year's corps of rookie's bring, and no knowledge of how the goalie situation (how much impact can the rookie make, will Georgiev take a step forward or back and knowing that Henke adds another year of depreciation.

They may well have their #1 C and #1 D, but there is just not enough support right now. And going crazy on UFAs to ensure there is support goes counter to everything that they have done up to now.

If no one steps forward (very unlikely) they will still be better than last season by adding Kakko, Trouba, Fox, and Kravtsov. If Chytil improves, I think they are a bubble team. They might be anyway. Parity rules the NHL, now.

 

[Leetch3]

If no one steps forward (very unlikely) they will still be better than last season by adding Kakko, Trouba, Fox, and Kravtsov. If Chytil improves, I think they are a bubble team. They might be anyway. Parity rules the NHL, now.

you are being way to optimistic

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The question becomes more difficult if it's:

Do you sign Panarin to a 7 year deal at 11.5M or let the Isles sign him for a 7 year deal...

 

[NYSPORTS]

The question becomes more difficult if it's:

Do you sign Panarin to a 7 year deal at 11.5M or let the Isles sign him for a 7 year deal...

Great question. I’m all for staying the course and passing on Panerin then feel uneasy if the Isles sign him.

Emotions aside, I don’t think the Rangers are ready to win and this will take time. What’s better? All these kids and adding a $13 million dollar player and a $5 million dollar player or waiting and going with two $9 million dollar players this or next year?

I don’t like paying a fortune for a 27 yr old player while the next 3 years on the Island would worry me.

Great question and not sure which answer is the best.

 

[chosen]

The question becomes more difficult if it's:

Do you sign Panarin to a 7 year deal at 11.5M or let the Isles sign him for a 7 year deal...

You sign him if you think it's the right move.

If you don't sign him, who cares where he goes? That should be of zero consequence.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The question becomes more difficult if it's:

Do you sign Panarin to a 7 year deal at 11.5M or let the Isles sign him for a 7 year deal...

I'm probably one of the few people on this board who'd rather see Panarin end up with the Isles than with the Rangers.

 

[Kocur Dill]

You sign him if you think it's the right move.

If you don't sign him, who cares where he goes? That should be of zero consequence.

If he stays in the East and eats cap space of a competitor it merits some consideration, especially if it doesn't work out for one reason or another, and/or stops them from chasing someone we may want in a few years...(Matthews UFA in 24/25???)

 

[eco's bones]

There are a lot of things that factor towards a better season this year.

First off Quinn isn't the new guy anymore--he has his system in place and the players know what his expectations are. As well we were in tons of one goal games--on top of which we had the most empty nets against in the league--which are one goal games that turn into two goal games in the last couple minutes because your team has pulled the goalie looking for the tying goal. People can talk about loser points all they want--the Rangers kept games close. We competed and with a lot of very young guys and at least most of those guys should be better this year--younger players tend to improve more than older players. Quinn is also the coach to push them night in and night out.

Our defense should be better too. We have a legit 1st pairing guy on our right side this year in Trouba--who not only has size but is good offensively and defensively and can play in all situations and isn't shy when it comes to physical play. We didn't have a right side D last year that even approaches him. So the defense should be better which means the goalies should be better too.

And then there's Kakko and Kravtsov and there's no good reason to believe that Kakko won't match or better what Brady Tkachuk did in Ottawa last year. For that matter I suspect that Kravtsov will come out of the gate fast too. These two should make up for a lot of the offense of Hayes and Zucc and if we do get Panarin we've got at least a 70 point player.....also a player who will help Kakko and Kravtsov get better faster.....and if we move Kreider we'll pick up more players/draft picks.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You and I do disagree on this and I think that you know what all of my reasoning is. Which is why I am not going to regurgitate it again (unless you really want me to).

Barring 100% of everything going right, which includes NO ONE taking a step back in development (and that has never happened) and rookies not struggling and instantly becoming impact players (history says unlikely), Henke reversing the aging process, Staal discovering the fountain of youth.......well again, take out Krieder and bring back Panarin and short of everything going dreamily well, this still a lottery team.

B, b, b, but...what if? ummm...yo like...what if da black hole in the middle of the milky way augments gravity and...um...like...um...yo so Panarin...he umm...psssh...word...

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Barring injuries, I don't think they are headed towards a lottery pick.

Unless everyone is wrong, we most certainly know what we are getting in Kakko, and that's a very good first-liner.

And...

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

The question becomes more difficult if it's:

Do you sign Panarin to a 7 year deal at 11.5M or let the Isles sign him for a 7 year deal...

I hate the Islanders, so I'm all for them destroying their window and locking themselves with a bad contract.

 

[will1066]

Lord give me strength for the regurgitation of last year's tank versus no-tank civil war on HFNYR in '19-20.

 

[CasusBelli]

I change my vote almost after every time updates emerge. At $12mm per season? I’ll take CK all day.

 

[True Blue]

Barring injuries, I don't think they are headed towards a lottery pick.

Each one is entitled to their opinion. Mine varies. For reasons state over and over again.

Unless everyone is wrong, we most certainly know what we are getting in Kakko, and that's a very good first-liner.

No one is debating that. However, if you say that he is going to be a very good first liner in his rookie year (one that he does not turn 19 until February) history tells you that is a very, very long shot.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Changed my vote to NO.

Can't help but think long term in a few years when players like Kravtsov, Kakko, Shest, Miller, etc might be playing amazing hockey and all need huge contracts. I dont want to be in the leafs situation.

And if Breadman starts to decline...what if he's putting up just 60 points in his 3-4th year? 50 points in his 4th-5th year? That would be absolutely brutal and handcuff us.

 

[True Blue]

If no one steps forward (very unlikely) they will still be better than last season by adding Kakko, Trouba, Fox, and Kravtsov. If Chytil improves, I think they are a bubble team. They might be anyway. Parity rules the NHL, now.

Until you can look with a straight face (via computer) and tell yourself who is replacing the production of
Hayes and Zucc, they are not going to be a better team this year. As constituted, if ALL goes incredibly well, they can be a bubble team. That presumes A LOT. If all goes according to natural accretion, they are a lottery team.

 

[Thirty One]

Changed my vote to NO.

Can't help but think long term in a few years when players like Kravtsov, Kakko, Shest, Miller, etc might be playing amazing hockey and all need huge contracts. I dont want to be in the leafs situation.

lol at changing your vote when it's reported he might be going to the Islanders.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

lol at changing your vote when it's reported he might be going to the Islanders.

Well to be fair when i first voted I thought he was getting around 9-10 million...not 12+ lol

 

[True Blue]

The question becomes more difficult if it's:

Do you sign Panarin to a 7 year deal at 11.5M or let the Isles sign him for a 7 year deal...

If the Isles are signing him for more than what you are willing to offer, then let them sign him.

 

[True Blue]

I'm probably one of the few people on this board who rather Panarin end up with the Isles than with the Rangers.

I would not say the only one.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I would not say the only one.

I didn't.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My vote was no and remains no.

 

[Priorae]

I would not say the only one.

You're absolutely not. I'm really hoping he goes somewhere else regardless of the contract.

 

[eco's bones]

Changed my vote to NO.

Can't help but think long term in a few years when players like Kravtsov, Kakko, Shest, Miller, etc might be playing amazing hockey and all need huge contracts. I dont want to be in the leafs situation.

And if Breadman starts to decline...what if he's putting up just 60 points in his 3-4th year? 50 points in his 4th-5th year? That would be absolutely brutal and handcuff us.

You know Kakko, Kravtsov and Fox--their second contracts come in 22-23, Miller at the earliest 23-24. Shesterkin is 21-22 but keep in mind this--he's going to have to get wins to get a big contract and to do that he's going to have to take games away from both Henrik and Georgiev--and doing that over two years might not be easy. Henrik's going to be a HOF'er and Alex was the better goalie in the second half last year. But anyway I don't see Shesterkin getting a huge second contract because the team will literally have to reach contender status to get him that amount of wins. He's not going to get a huge contract on a 20-15 record for instance or a 28-19. He'll get a good contract but he won't break the bank. The way Igor gets the big contract is he becomes a 60 game a year goaltender capable of 35 or more wins and good enough to get the team into the playoffs. He's a lot more likely to get a huge deal his third contract.

Miller won't score huge either unless he shows he's Seth Jones, Charlie McAvoy good. I think it's very possible but it's not a sure thing. So there's a lot of ifs I see in your post. Panarin IMO gets Kakko and/or Kravtsov up to speed faster. The thing is you want those players that good even if it causes cap issues later on---you still want them to reach their potential but that also means bringing in players who can help them reach it. It's the best way forward--not worrying about the cap until you have to. In any case for the immediate 5-6-7 years the Rangers look like they're going to have ELC's and 2nd contracts galore and the cap has always gone up year after year. 5-6-7 years from now the cap could be over a $100 mil. Just saying.

I'm all for the Rangers trying to get Panarin. If not I would hold on to Kreider at least until the deadline....and I wouldn't then be necessarily against resigning him to a 4-5 year deal. We got prospects--we're also going to need guys who can show them the way.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

For 13 mill...I change my vote to no