Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[bambamcam4ever]

Mario didn't even hit 700 goals and has nobody but to blame but himself for his piss poor conditioning IMO.

I appreciate how you bat .000 but swing for the fences every time

 

[HurricaneFanatic]

Be honest: you just knew he was going to score on the Canes last night didn’t you?

Haha yes. I'm expecting 895 to not only be against the Canes, but also in Raleigh lol

 

[JasonRoseEh]

I’m quite educated in understanding how cult members of the Penguin think. What I’m referring to is a mere handful of games missed over the course of two seasons, not 29, 41, and 60 games missed.

In the end, I’m not taking it seriously. It’s a passing comment of admiration, not the demented calculations that some members of that flock squawk over.

I gotta go now. A member of that flock quoted me in another thread and I need to take out the garbage.

Damn, you didn't have to do them like that.

 

[Zuluss]

As we are all waiting for the next goal that would tie Howe for #1 all-time in goals for one team, Ovechkin keeps climbing up the career assists list. Today, Ovechkin tied Brad Richards and Neal Broten and passed Giroux.
2 more assists will tie Forsberg, and there are more big names after that.

 

[NatusVincere]

Yeah sorry but this is an absolutely terrible post. In what world does Jagr (9 individual awards) have a "better" trophy case than OV (18 individual awards)? Especially considering that OV has every trophy Jagr has but Jagr has no smythe, rocket or calder.

But 5 AT. As I said, the trophy case speaks for Ovi as a no 5 in the all time rankings IMO. But as others have mentioned, I don't have a poblem if someone thinks 5 AT > 9 Rockets. If we would simply count all trophies the same, the talk were over, right.

Peak Malkin, Datsyuk and Bure over peak OV is absolutely ridiculous. We saw peak Malkin and Datsyuk vs peak OV, who won the hart and lindsay both years? Basically unanimously? Datsyuk has never even been 1st AST, only 1x 2nd AST, 1 fluke hart and lindsay nomination. What a joke. Mentioning Bure is just an insult, he was never even the best player in any 1 season, forget about multiple seasons like OV was (even excluding 99/66).

I saw peak Malkin on international stage how he destroyed every opponent coming his way and playing like a true ATG dominant all over the ice. I saw how Ovechkin in almost 20 years never ever looked like a 3 time NHL Hart winner. His best was 2006 Torino and 2008 Quebec. The fast, physical south north game in the NHL suits his game style very well. I always thought he would have much more problems with the east west slower more skilled game in the soviet/russian league.

I don't care that somewhere Bure had fewer votes because another player was more successful. His absolute highest level of play was right there with Ovechkin's highest level of play. If you prefer Ovi, ok. If my life depended on winning a game, I would definitely pick peak Fedorov, peak Malkin and maybe peak Bure and Datsuyk over Ovechkin. This has nothing to do with the fact that a Datsyuk scored fewer goals in his peak and therefore received fewer votes as Ovi... He scored almost 100 points and could shot down every opponent in the game.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I appreciate how you bat .000 but swing for the fences every time

I said nothing inaccurate

 

[Sinistril]

Time is undefeated. Ovie is looking old out there. It happens to all of us.

And still scoring at a 37 goal pace.

 

[objectiveposter]

So which NHL records is Ovechkin going to set this season?
Most career road goals
Most career goals with one franchise
Most career shots

Am I missing any?

 

[Zuluss]

So which NHL records is Ovechkin going to set this season?
Most career road goals
Most career goals with one franchise
Most career shots

Am I missing any?

Most times to open scoring (needs to do that 4 more times)

 

[Big Phil]

As we are all waiting for the next goal that would tie Howe for #1 all-time in goals for one team, Ovechkin keeps climbing up the career assists list. Today, Ovechkin tied Brad Richards and Neal Broten and passed Giroux.
2 more assists will tie Forsberg, and there are more big names after that.

We should probably stick to goal scoring with Ovie. He's still behind Salming, Suter, Whitney and Dale Hunter with assists. No, seriously.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

It's because Nathaniel is pretty well-known for making fallacious arguments that lack serious context.

Using the # of times that someone hit 90 points is a useless argument if you completely ignore the difference in the scoring rates in those periods.

Ovechkin has usually been out of the top 10 in scoring since he was 25. When was the last time the guy was top 10? O right 8 years ago....

 

[Big Phil]

So at this point, what sort of pace do you think he is on? Are we looking at late in the 2025 season here? Or what is likely to be his final NHL season in 2025-'26? If he doesn't get injured, and his play doesn't drop significantly I could see late 2025 season. These are "ifs" at the moment of course. He's off his normal pace with 5 goals in 11 games. That's a pace of about 37 goals or so. Not great for him. Also, Ovie is back to that weird plus/minus stat again this year, being at -8 already.

 

[Nsjohnson]

I think the people who are arguing against Ovechkin's peak are probably too young to remember just how much of dominant force he was his first five years in the league.

He's slowed his role and changed his game, sure, but that probably extended his career by at least a few seasons. He was a bull in a china shop when he entered into the league. That style of play wouldn't have held up into his 30's.

I fully agree with this statement.

If you show many posters on this board here, possibly younger possibly not, perhaps newer fans, etc. highlights of 2006-2010 Ovechkin....especially those first few years...I have never seen a player like this.

Ovechkin could do everything but play defense (that, he couldn't do) better than almost everyone else. He was even a great passer (and still is). He was basically the best hitter in the league. Devastatingly so. The best goal scorer. His WAS incredibly fast and had decent hands too. He was very, very intelligent in his creative play.

Absolutely the most entertaining player I have seen in MY lifetime besides Peter Forsberg when he wasn't hurt.

I dare anyone go back and watch those highlights and tell me his peak wasn't absolutely legendary.

He maintained that style of play all the way until 2019 at age 34. His bull in a china shop style helped in the 2018 Cup run.

He battered both the Lightning and Knights defense physically and lit them up on the scoreboard.

The crazy part is that he was already 10 years removed from his peak at that point. The longevity we see out of Ovi is simply unprecedented in hockey history.

Yes and no. He always has kept up a good amount of hitting.

But he would hop over the boards and literally play to KILL.

Kill the puck. Kill the opposing players bodies. Kill.

ANDDDDDD he was much faster between 2005-10.

He did change his play after that and I would not call him a bull in a china shop after that, but still an aggressive player physically.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Yes and no. He always has kept up a good amount of hitting.

But he would hop over the boards and literally play to KILL.

Kill the puck. Kill the opposing players bodies. Kill.

ANDDDDDD he was much faster between 2005-10.

He did change his play after that and I would not call him a bull in a china shop after that, but still an aggressive player physically.

The suspensions in the 2009-10 season forced him to change his playing style and to tone down the aggressiveness.

I think he was still capable of murdering guys in open ice (see hit on Nosek or Drouin), but he can’t overdo it without getting unwanted attention from the DOPS

 

[Nsjohnson]

So at this point, what sort of pace do you think he is on? Are we looking at late in the 2025 season here? Or what is likely to be his final NHL season in 2025-'26? If he doesn't get injured, and his play doesn't drop significantly I could see late 2025 season. These are "ifs" at the moment of course. He's off his normal pace with 5 goals in 11 games. That's a pace of about 37 goals or so. Not great for him. Also, Ovie is back to that weird plus/minus stat again this year, being at -8 already.

So, at this point, everyone is expecting Ovechkin to drop to a 30-40 goal scorer than a 40-50.

Is that this season? Perhaps.

Ovechkin has started slow or had a large down streak many times in the last 12 years. Then, goes on a tear where he scores 14 in 20 games.

We keep saying he won't score 50, he won't score 50. He's done scoring at those rates.

He's currently on pace to score more or less, 40 goals.

But, let's look at the scoring logs of Ovechkin in the past 5 seasons for his first 20 games.

2021-22 - 15 in first 20
2020-21 - 8 in first 20
2019-20- 13 in first 20
2018-19- 15 in first 20
2017-18- 13 in first 20

Averaging 12.8 in his first 20. So let's wait to 20 games in, see where he is at.

In 2014-15 he scored like 9 in his first 20, but scored 53 that season.

It is always interesting to wait for the start of each season and see what Ovechkin does. It will be harder this season with all of their injuries, but also he has Kuzy (knock of wood) and PP time

 

[Big Phil]

So, at this point, everyone is expecting Ovechkin to drop to a 30-40 goal scorer than a 40-50.

Is that this season? Perhaps.

Ovechkin has started slow or had a large down streak many times in the last 12 years. Then, goes on a tear where he scores 14 in 20 games.

We keep saying he won't score 50, he won't score 50. He's done scoring at those rates.

He's currently on pace to score more or less, 40 goals.

But, let's look at the scoring logs of Ovechkin in the past 5 seasons for his first 20 games.

2021-22 - 15 in first 20
2020-21 - 8 in first 20
2019-20- 13 in first 20
2018-19- 15 in first 20
2017-18- 13 in first 20

Averaging 12.8 in his first 20. So let's wait to 20 games in, see where he is at.

In 2014-15 he scored like 9 in his first 20, but scored 53 that season.

It is always interesting to wait for the start of each season and see what Ovechkin does. It will be harder this season with all of their injuries, but also he has Kuzy (knock of wood) and PP time

Right. That's why we play the games on the ice. We just have to see. Like I said before, this is something that won't happen sooner than 2025, if at all. Nothing I am prepared to commit to either way at this point.

 

[M2Beezy]

 

[Zuluss]

Now, that's a way to tie Gordie Howe's record!

 

[M2Beezy]

Now, that's a way to tie Gordie Howe's record!

That receiving the pass off the skate to stick to lethal top corner shot is WOW

But I guess hes getting old and the goals will stop

 

[objectiveposter]

Most times to open scoring (needs to do that 4 more times)

make it 3!

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

That receiving the pass off the skate to stick to lethal top corner shot is WOW

But I guess hes getting old and the goals will stop

And how he avoids defenseman block. Sweet goal.

 

[TJHKY]

 

[Sentinel]

We need to factor WHA for Gretzky and Howe and KHL for Ovechkin.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

But 5 AT. As I said, the trophy case speaks for Ovi as a no 5 in the all time rankings IMO. But as others have mentioned, I don't have a poblem if someone thinks 5 AT > 9 Rockets. If we would simply count all trophies the same, the talk were over, right.



I saw peak Malkin on international stage how he destroyed every opponent coming his way and playing like a true ATG dominant all over the ice. I saw how Ovechkin in almost 20 years never ever looked like a 3 time NHL Hart winner. His best was 2006 Torino and 2008 Quebec. The fast, physical south north game in the NHL suits his game style very well. I always thought he would have much more problems with the east west slower more skilled game in the soviet/russian league.

I don't care that somewhere Bure had fewer votes because another player was more successful. His absolute highest level of play was right there with Ovechkin's highest level of play. If you prefer Ovi, ok. If my life depended on winning a game, I would definitely pick peak Fedorov, peak Malkin and maybe peak Bure and Datsuyk over Ovechkin. This has nothing to do with the fact that a Datsyuk scored fewer goals in his peak and therefore received fewer votes as Ovi... He scored almost 100 points and could shot down every opponent in the game.

You can argue 5 ross > 9 rockets and that's fine. But 5 rosses has been done by 4 other players, soon to be 5 after McDavid. No one else has 9 Rockets or even 8. But at least OV has a ross, Jagr has 0 rockets. Also 3 harts > 1 hart, 1 Smythe > 0 Smythe, 1 Calder > 0. Too many zeros for Jagr.

International lol. Yeah, random 5 game tournaments in the middle or after the NHL season prove more than what actually happens over a full season. Peak OV tore peak Malkin apart in pts, PPG, goals, GPG, hart votes, lindsay votes. But yeah you can hold on to international play.

Fedorov had 1 season that might rival OV's 3rd or 4th best season. But he never played at that level again so it was just a fluke. Most overrated player in history. Bure was a poor mans OV. Adjusted for era he was worse offensively and didn't have OV's physicality either. Datsyuk was never close to the best player in the world, voted by media and players. I'll trust them over you. Malkin's 11/12 was great but OV's 07/08 was better. OV's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th best seasons were all better than Malkin's.

 

[Stealth1616]

We need to factor WHA for Gretzky and Howe and KHL for Ovechkin.

No we don’t