Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!
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Meh, it's called NHL goals for a reason. Now there can be a separate stat for professional goals.
Sentinel
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And there should be. Taking out 7 years of Howe's goalscoring removes the context.
Wow! Looks like we are finally going to see the day when you admit that Ovechkin will pass Gretzky in goals. And even toying with the idea that Ovechkin might play a full season of hockey after breaking the record. I tried telling you back in 2013 that this would happen, but you didn't listen! You didn't listen!
Devil Dancer
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Meh, he's been on the ice for several ENGs against. Lavi is pretty aggressive pulling the goalie early, and the Caps haven't been successful in that scenario this year, so that's been a big drag on Ovie's +/-.
His defensive play hasn't changed this year, and the Caps have been excellent defensively at even strength over the past several games, with or without Ovie on the ice.
Sentinel
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WHA and KHL were not some minor leagues. In WHA Howe and Gretzky played against Bobby Hull and in KHL Ovechkin played against Jagr. Just because NHL refuses to acknowledge competition, the hockey would should do the same.Points – AHL Hall of Fame
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Where do these players rank all time?
There is a reason Gretzky did not retire until beating Howe's total number of goals (NHL + WHA) by just one goal.
ArGarBarGar
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I can't even be mad when Ovechkin scores against my team. I'm just impressed the way he keeps finding the back of the net.
Your last comment was "professional hockey is professional hockey"
My god you move the goalpost quickly.
Peak Datsyuk, Federov and Bure being way overrated here. They all have less than a handful of peak seasons on par with 2007-10 OV, yet people speak of them like they played long careers at that level. Especially Datsyuk and Bure. Agree with Malkin though.
andrjusha
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Bure lead NHL in goals 3 times (and once in playoffs) and has 5 50+ goals season and he missed a lot with injuries.
He is rated fine IMO.
andrjusha
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OV scored 1 goal in his next game and pace is 41 goals now, early in a season pace projections are meaningless (see McDavid). Agree that OV is slightly off, overall Caps have lots of issues as a team, top 6 is decimated and Kuzy yet to score a goal.
Ovie being 'off' well scoring at a 0.5 goals per game pace at age 37 is something...
The amusing thing is when people try to use the Ovy arc to project how younger players will likely score. Forgetting all the while that Ovy is an outlier and no where near the norm.
Sentinel
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That pales in comparison to OV, and rating Bure over OV is rating him too high IMO.
Big Phil
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No one knows if it will happen yet. We are about three years away from it potentially happening. Plenty that can happen in between.
pi314
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Did you see Ovechkin tie Gordie Howe for most goals scored with the same team in detroit last night?! In Detroit of all places! It's like even the hockey gods wants Ovechkin to succeed at this point! You can't make this stuff up. 20 years from now you'll be making threads about it on the history boards!
andrjusha
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The Caps are decimated by injuries, and Ovie looks like my grandpa. And yet he keeps on ticking.
The stats don't reveal this at all though.
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but maybe he was hitting guys more softly than MJ remembers?
It extremely obvious that Ovi had his 3 year peak from 08-10 then it's been a mixed bag since then.
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This post is just really really poor.
For starters, Fedorov's Hart trophy is simply better than any of Ovi's and sure it was a fluke that's why he was top 10 in scoring 2 years alter while winning the Selke on a team that really spread around PP YOI and their offense in general.
And international play does come into play although it shouldn't hold too much weight but among all time great, ie a top 10 player of all time his international record simply doesn't help his case.
The rarity of rockets to Art Ross trophies, ie Jagr also doesn't exactly help Ovi as much as you are making out here as he has become a specialist after his peak which needs further context with the PP YOI and SOG focus that Ovi has had through his career.
Other players have had similar skillsets but not that type of extreme usage in scoring goals so it's something that needs to be considered right?
Or do you really think it's fair to downplay other great players like in your posts with quite extreme exaggerations and narrow focus and prop up Ovi while doing the same thing and not looking at the whole picture?
Ovi has been the greatest goal scorer of all time in my books for a bit but the obsession with scoring goals and the context around it as he winds down his career is becoming a fetish for some and causes them to not see very clearly or the whole picture for some strange reason.
Points – AHL Hall of Fame
Where do these players rank all time?
The AHL is on a quite different level than the NHL, WHA and KHL/Russian elite league though right?
