blundluntman
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Maurice Richard Trophy Tournament (1995-Present) Round 3: 2000 Pavel Bure vs 1996 Mario Lemieux
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Lemieux 1996, putting aside the obscenity of the total, was a powerplay merchant season where Pittsburgh basically stacked their top six (with an insanely good top six) to score score score and it burned them badly in the playoffs
Bure cherry picked like a mofo for sure but that isn't as big of an issue as what Lemieux did
Bure cherry picked like a mofo for sure but that isn't as big of an issue as what Lemieux did
Voted Bure, he was a one-man army that season - he did not need the support of four HOFers, he did not need the opposing team to be down a man. He just went and scored no matter how much the deck was stacked against him.
People get a bit too obsessed by Florida not having a lot of great players. The team was 7th in league for goals scored, and 8th in league for the power play, and 8th in overall standings. This was not a bad team, nor was it an offensively deficient team.
Bure had a really good season - but Mario Lemieux was unquestionably better.
Mario Lemieux was the best playmaker in the league, with almost 3x the assists Bure had. Oh yeah - he also scored 11 more goals, in 4 less games.
Bure had a really good season - but Mario Lemieux was unquestionably better.
Mario Lemieux was the best playmaker in the league, with almost 3x the assists Bure had. Oh yeah - he also scored 11 more goals, in 4 less games.
Bure had 50% more ES goals ina. Lower scoring era on a much crappier talented team. For those remarking about how bure cherry picked, the 2 line pass rule was still in play…
I never understood the obsession with ES.
Who cares? A goal counts for the same on the scoreboard whether it's scored on the powerplay, at even strength or shorthanded.
And if you want to talk about cherrypicking....Pavel Bure had 9 empty net goals, vs 2 for Lemieux.
Non-empty net goals scored:
Bure - 49.
Lemieux - 67.
This isn't close.
Owen Nolan was second with 44 goals to bure’s 58
Jagr was second with 62 goals to lemieux’s 69
Bure was more dominant at scoring relative to his peers then Lemieux was based on these two seasons
Yes - let's penalize Mario Lemieux for also being the best playmaker that year and helping his teammate score 60+ goals.
If Bure had 60 more assists in 2000, and had helped his own teammate score 55 goals, I too would now consider that a worst season for Bure...
And I assume you're just chosing to ignore the 9 empty net goals, because it doesn't fit your narrative? That's the most empty net goals scored in a season, ever.
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Similar to the McDavid vs. Stamkos showdown, I default to the guy who had more goals while also handing out nearly as many assists as the other guy had points. I can’t separate from the beauty of the playmaker beating the pure goal scorer.
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It should probably be noted that the closest non-teammate to Lemieux in 96 was Mogilny with 55. Seeing as Lemieux also led the league in assists that year, it's not really fair to penalize him for Jagr's performance.
Lemieux also led the league in SH goals that season with 8, so it's not like he wasn't effective in other non-PP situations. Bure had a grand total of 2 in the 00 season.
