Confirmed with Link: Monahan traded to Jets for 2024 1st and cond. 3rd in 2027.

[No More Subban]

i dont like helping other canadian teams. was hoping he'd go to dallas or colorado. easier to root for those teams

 

[nhlfan9191]

Again, I'm happy with the trade. I was holding outside hope that somehow we'd add assets to the deal to get a prospect. but again, Im still happy.

This is Hughes. There’s no guarantee he actually keeps the picks he acquires. They could still work out a trade for somebody they have their eye on. Having an extra first round pick helps with that.

 

[Miller Time]

Potential Draft pick rankings:
Win Cup - 32nd plus a 2027 3rd rounder
Finalist - 31st
Conference finalist - 29th or 30th
Fails to make Conference finals - probably 27th or 28th

that's a good reminder that the difference for the Jets, since they are currently sitting ahead of all but 2 of the East teams, is minimal if they don't reach the WCF vs if they do.

Hopefully they go on a terrible stretch to close out the year and drop into a WC spot

 

[JoelWarlord]

You were saying the same about management before Bergevin and you'll still be saying the same after Hughes.

Ok not going to go into a bit by bit argument because there's no point, but what exactly was the alternative to what we're doing?

Bergevin replaced Weber, Price, Danault, Tatar, Kotkaniemi, and Perry with Savard, nobody, Dvorak, Hoffman, nobody, and Paquette. You can't just snap your fingers and get back to competing with a fully capped out roster after losing all those guys and replacing them with nobody good.

All the complaints about the rebuild/tank phase seem to suggest that there was an alternative, but look at what it cost for Calgary to dump Monahan, what was the price to dump Hoffman, Drouin, etc and then ADD top six forwards? I get it, it's frustrating that we didn't really get anywhere with the Price era besides the covid year and now the team is spinning its wheels in a rebuild, but being frustrated about the rebuild doesn't mean we can just acquire new fully developed Price/Weber tier players by force of will.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

Look what those dudes have done to the Habs!

 

[overlords]

Why not sign an injury prone player long term, we can just LTIR him is not really good team building.

Maybe bergevin was employing this logic when handing out Gallagher's contract

 

[sampollock]

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Look what those dudes have done to the Habs!

cant sign them all

 

[Redux91]

ok humor me

van give up tons and eats all the salary
peg give a #1 pick

are these 2 deals the same in value for both centres of their valve

If you and others expected to get the same for Monahan that Calgary got for Lindholm, people egregiously over-valued Monahan then

Explain to me also, why Monahan wasn't #1 on the TSN Tradebait then instead of Lindholm?

Getting a 1st for Monahan while we're RIGHT smack in the middle of rebuild is a huge get

 

[Saundies]

I was not a fan of MB, I thought he made a lot of terrible decisions, but Hugues and him had totally different mandates. Clearly an easier one for Hugues right now. It's a lot easier to acquire picks than assets to make the playoffs.

Not exactly true. Both Hughes and MB had the exact same mandate when they first started, the difference is that Hughes seems to be following through with the rebuild and MB put it into hyperdrive once the team overachieved in his first year as GM.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Hughes maximized value on this one, well done.

 

[dinodebino]

KH drafted a bust and added two players that teams wanted to get rid of with those picks.

Drafted a bust.

 

[BaseballCoach]

KH drafted a bust and added two players that teams wanted to get rid of with those picks.

By that logic, Yzerman does not deserve praise for acquiring Sergachev. He merely picked up a guy we wanted to get rid of.

Same with Savard and Pollock re Bobby Smith in 1983 and Frank Mahovlich in 1971.

When Dallas got Seguin for Erickson, they were merely getting someone Boston wanted to get rid of. No credit to Dallas.

No credit to Doug Wilson for getting that unwanted bum Joe Thornton.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

cant sign them all

Just pointing out that they’ve acquired assets unlike any management we’ve seen in a long time.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Hughes said this year would still be about asset accumulation and that next summer he’d start making the team competitive by using these assets. I think it’s fair to reserve judgement until next year. MB never chose a direction either way, let’s see what Kent does next year and after and then maybe we can criticize.

 

[Richard Bolton]

I was not a fan of MB, I thought he made a lot of terrible decisions, but Hugues and him had totally different mandates. Clearly an easier one for Hugues right now. It's a lot easier to acquire picks than assets to make the playoffs.

Definitely. Just saying that we absolutely have not been rebuilding since 2016. We missed the playoffs because we had a shit team, not because we were rebuilding anything.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Solid trade, now hopefully the pick is used to either move up or a solid acquisition in the off season

 

[sampollock]

If you and others expected to get the same for Monahan that Calgary got for Lindholm, people egregiously over-valued Monahan then

Explain to me also, why Monahan wasn't #1 on the TSN Tradebait instead of Lindholm?

Getting a 1st for Monahan while we're RIGHT smack in the middle of rebuild is a huge get

oh I did not expect the same deal back
what I am saying it is both teams got a first and van got way more.
is all.
I will live, but just so tried of draft picks when other teams trade and get prospects of value

 

[Adam Michaels]

That still leaves a retention slot open for Habs to retain salary on most likely Pearson.

 

[Milhouse40]

So surprise the condition alimentaire pick isnt the 1st round pick.....

Cant complain. Hugues management to get a 2024 ans 2025 1st round pick for nothing.

 

[Redux91]

KH drafted a bust and added two players that teams wanted to get rid of with those picks.

I think that's enough message boarding for you for a bit bud

Get some fresh air

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

oh I did not expect the same deal back
what I am saying it is both teams got a first and van got way more.
is all.
I will live, but just so tried of draft picks when other teams trade and get prospects of value

What value? Bustkoowhich might be good but there is presumably a reason Canucks were willing to move him. Habs 1st will be better, the 3rd is better (depending on conditions) and the other player is a nobody.

 

[Frenchy]

That's actually wild.

no, it's to the Jets

 

[zx81]

Not exactly true. Both Hughes and MB had the exact same mandate when they first started, the difference is that Hughes seems to be following through with the rebuild and MB put it into hyperdrive once the team overachieved in his first year as GM.

I think we are in our first real rebuild. I don't recall any other year in which the team clearly stated that they started a rebuild process and that "playoffs" were not a word to even pronounce.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yeah a 50% retained Savard could fetch something good for a team in desperate need of a vet RHD. Not sure he'll be traded this season though.

For a team acquiring Savard retained at $1.75M for two playoff runs, I think we should get a 2nd in 2024 plus a 1st in 2025

 

[Sagikev]

We've had 2 top 5 picks in 2 years with HuGo and we didn't even get a future superstar out of those drafts. It's not really going well so far.

You can only play the cards you're dealt with. It's not like the guys drafted after Slaf and Reinbacher are slam dunk stars either. Plus you're forgetting the other moves Kent Hughes made. You can keep whining about injuries, but the Dach trade is still a good one and Newhook was also looking good. Then there's Beck, Hutson, Fowler, Engstrom, etc. Sure we still need high end forwards, but until this group can start winning, we'll have good shots at drafting them.