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Digitalbooya said:
You just don’t understand!! We just need to trade Kaprizov and Eriksson Ek for singular draft picks and then CUP!!!! It’s because of Hynes we didn’t tank!!! Other teams would have just kept the coach to keep losing!!
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Uh this team can’t even beat central teams so why are people arguing
 
keppel146 said:
Uh this team can’t even beat central teams so why are people arguing
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They’re screeching because we haven’t traded Kap and Ek for single top 10 draft picks and to tank (see his trade board thread). They think the only way to win is to trade everyone and tank. To anyone who disagrees, they go out of their way to be as insufferable as possible towards.

It’s pretty obvious that Guerin is playing the long game of letting Yurov/Ohgren/Wallstedt/Khusnutdinov/Peart/Heidt/etc complement the Kaprizov/Eriksson Ek/Boldy/Faber/Rossi group. Tanking for a top 10 pick was never in the cards. Injuries gave a false hope of a top 10 pick.
 
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I’m still feeling pretty good. The important players (Kap, JEE, Rossi, Boldy, Faber, Brodin) were all great. Prospects had big years - especially Yurov and 2nd half Ohgren.

If we just need to fix our depth, that’s a lot easier than finding high-end pieces. Guerin might not even have to do anything but wait for the prospects to arrive.

I do enjoy playoff hockey though. Even when it’s obvious we are merely cannon fodder for the real contenders. At this point we should just be aiming to come into next season fully healthy
 
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Wabit said:
He was the OG contract along the lines of Foligno, Freddy G, and Hartman from GMBG: Signed too early, for too much money, too much term, and NMC/NTC when he could have been traded at the TDL instead in what was a down season for the Wild.
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Are you seriously comparing a player widely regarded as a top 20 defenseman in the league to Freddy Gaudreau? Jesus
 
Sota Popinski said:
Are you seriously comparing a player widely regarded as a top 20 defenseman in the league to Freddy Gaudreau? Jesus
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Correct. A contract that was signed too soo, for too much money, too much term, and has trade clauses. Both are cap dumps that you'd have to pay someone to take without retention.

Top 20 is such a load of BS, he;s never been a top-20 d-man. He's rode the coattails of a true top end player the same way Zucc has in his time here. Spurgeon wouldn't be in consideration for a roster spots on any of the Canada, Swedish, or US National teams in any season he's played; that is 18 d-man spots right there. He's also injured almost every friggin season.

Also he was paid as a top-10 (currently 21st) d-man at the time of the contract (~$6m would have been top-20 pay then). The rookie RD on the team is currently better now than Spurgeon ever was.
 
3 years prior to this one...

Most minutes with a LD is Middleton:
Middleton GF% with Spurgeon is ~62, without is ~33. xGF similar relationship.

2nd most minutes is with Suter:
Suter GF% with is ~53, without is ~59. xGF goes down without Spurgeon though.

3rd most minutes is Goligoski:
GF% with Spurgeon is ~67, without is ~52. xGF similar relationship.

Minimal minutes with Brodin, but numbers with Spurgeon are better than without.

More defensive than offensive zone starts with Middleton; flipped for the other two, but not drastically. Overall basically even (3 start difference).

Most efficient 5v5 scorer amongst defenseman on the team who played >750 minutes during those 3 years. His 1.06 5v5 P/60 would put him 51st league-wide under those same parameters. Just behind notable RDs like Burns, Pietrangelo and Ekblad.
 
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Russo saying on twitter that his sense is that they would look to trade Rossi because they still think he’s too small and weak to be a top 6 guy on a contender
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Odd. I don't think he shrank since he was drafted.
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Yeah. Would tend tot hunk the strength is the issue not the size. Doesn’t seem smart to me to give up on a guy with his talent at 22 (while having lost 2 offseasons). He’ll get stronger
 
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Rossi scores 20 goals in his rookie year, has the 4th most productive rookie season among all Wild players (assuming he doesn't catch up to Faber or pass Boldy... he's only 2 back), and they want to trade him?

He shouldn't be the 1st line center, but he is entirely capable of becoming a #2 center or winger who is very responsible with and without the puck. Or the #3 center of a great 3rd line. If they trade him, they are *#$%ing stupid. "They" being Guerin. Guerin, you idiot. You're an idiot, Guerin. I've said his name 3 times, now may he manifest like Beetlejuice so I can tell him this to his face.
 
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DemidovSaveUs said:
Russo saying on twitter that his sense is that they would look to trade Rossi because they still think he’s too small and weak to be a top 6 guy on a contender
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That's a BS excuse for a GM who once again is being petty when there is a player he simply doesn't want on the team. I'd rather have a smaller guy who can score #@$!ing goals than older, bigger, and slower plugs who are a waste of money. But of course, those are the type of guys that Billy likes. It says a lot when he's more concerned with moving Rossi (who is doing awesome in his rookie year) as opposed to being concerned with having dead weight, overpaid, and often injured players like Freddy, Foligno, Mojo and others....many players who ALSO wouldn't be seeing the Top 6 or even the Top 9 on a contender.

If he moves Rossi, I hope it backfires spectacularly and becomes another nail in the coffin that gets his arse fired.
 
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DemidovSaveUs said:
Yeah. Would tend tot hunk the strength is the issue not the size. Doesn’t seem smart to me to give up on a guy with his talent at 22 (while having lost 2 offseasons). He’ll get stronger
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Billy isn't giving up on the kid. He simply doesn't want him on the team. It goes against his grit-first mentality. He's just using his size as an excuse. If only Rossi were bigger, slower, and lacked the ability to score goals, Billy would be offering him a NMC.
 
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Wabit said:
Correct. A contract that was signed too soo, for too much money, too much term, and has trade clauses. Both are cap dumps that you'd have to pay someone to take without retention.

Top 20 is such a load of BS, he;s never been a top-20 d-man. He's rode the coattails of a true top end player the same way Zucc has in his time here. Spurgeon wouldn't be in consideration for a roster spots on any of the Canada, Swedish, or US National teams in any season he's played; that is 18 d-man spots right there. He's also injured almost every friggin season.

Also he was paid as a top-10 (currently 21st) d-man at the time of the contract (~$6m would have been top-20 pay then). The rookie RD on the team is currently better now than Spurgeon ever was.
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Injured every season? He missed 3 games last year, 17 in 2022, 2 games in 2021, 7 games in 2020, and he played all 82 games in 2019. That's less than 6 games per season over the previous 5 years. So actually your comment about him being injured almost every friggin season is the load of BS. This is literally the first season in his career that he missed more than 25% of the season due to injury.

Using expected goals above replacement Spurgeon has ranked in the top 15 among defensemen every season since 2014-15, notably finishing first in 2019-20 and fourth last season. He's finished in the top 20 of Norris voting 5 times. On the other hand, you have your OPINION that he isn't good enough to make Olympic teams that he's not even eligible to play on.

The numbers say he's absolutely one of the top 20 defenseman on the planet and has been for almost a decade. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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NHL1674 said:
Billy isn't giving up on the kid. He simply doesn't want him on the team. It goes against his grit-first mentality. He's just using his size as an excuse. If only Rossi were bigger, slower, and lacked the ability to score goals, Billy would be offering him a NMC.
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The excuse becomes apparent when you consider he re-signed Zuccarello, the very proof-in-flesh that small players can be good top-6 players on contenders. He played in the Cup finals on the top line for the Rangers. He also didn't even crack an NHL lineup until 23 years old.

Rossi has simply been getting better every year, consistently, and doing all that is asked of him. Why would you not just wait until he's developed? Especially when you just re-signed a guy who fits the description of a small player who is not a top-6 player on a contender (anymore) entirely, and is in his late 30s. Like... you already have that, and you signed it yourself less than a year ago.

The Zuccarello re-signing tells me that Guerin isn't all about size and toughness, but it does show him to be a hypocrite when it comes to Rossi.
 
BagHead said:
The excuse becomes apparent when you consider he re-signed Zuccarello, the very proof-in-flesh that small players can be good top-6 players on contenders. He played in the Cup finals on the top line for the Rangers. He also didn't even crack an NHL lineup until 23 years old.

Rossi has simply been getting better every year, consistently, and doing all that is asked of him. Why would you not just wait until he's developed? Especially when you just re-signed a guy who fits the description of a small player who is not a top-6 player on a contender (anymore) entirely, and is in his late 30s. Like... you already have that, and you signed it yourself less than a year ago.

The Zuccarello re-signing tells me that Guerin isn't all about size and toughness, but it does show him to be a hypocrite when it comes to Rossi.
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Zuccarello uses an insanely long stick and has a pretty big range of control. One thing that does frustrate me about Rossi is his very limited bubble of control, when the puck enters his bubble, he is very good at keeping it, but he basically controls less than half of the space as guys like Boldy, JEE and Kap (through his insane hand eye and shiftiness) in my mind.

I can see the argument from a team building perspective, Rossi doesn't fit the center mold for this team very well. I just think its unlikely that you get a real solution there by trading him without shaking up another part of the roster too. And you miss out on some upside that seems likely, he is going to be an improving and effective NHLer, I do not doubt he has a solid career ahead of him.

In short, I would prefer to keep him, if he ends up a winger, thats acceptable to me. If they do trade him, I would see the reasoning and expect the return to work out well.
 
One thing is for sure , Guerin is a moron and doesn’t understand that players decline with age. He’s the worst GM I’ve ever had the displeasure of being exposed to on any level. I’d take Doug Riseborough back if it meant being rid of this insufferable fat face red nosed asshole running this team into the ground
 
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