Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

[roon]

What does that even mean? He gave up 1 goal on 11 shots, which was substantially better than Fleury’s 5 goals against on 16 shots.

It means that over 40 games he has a .897 SV% and has lost almost as many games as he has won.

Last year was an anomaly - that's what it means.

I assume he's talking about the season as a whole

Exactly - I didn't think I posted it a GDT or anything.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

It means that over 40 games he has a .897 SV% and has lost almost as many games as he has won.

Last year was an anomaly - that's what it means.



Exactly - I didn't think I posted it a GDT or anything.

It’s just gave off weird vibes since he’s been fine in the last 3 games. I’d be fine if neither goaltender came back next year.

 

[Spurgeon]

It means that over 40 games he has a .897 SV% and has lost almost as many games as he has won.

Last year was an anomaly - that's what it means.

And last year he had a .931 SV% in 39 games.

So is this season an anomaly, is last season an anomaly, or is it something in between?

 

[Spurgeon]

Gonna need to win all the important games from here on out.

 

[roon]

And last year he had a .931 SV% in 39 games.

So is this season an anomaly, is last season an anomaly, or is it something in between?

Well - given his performance in OTT prior to coming here...I would say that last year was the anomaly.

 

[Spurgeon]

Well - given his performance in OTT prior to coming here...I would say that last year was the anomaly.

27 games of experience as a 22 & 23 year old goalie on a horrible Ottawa team is not worth anything imo

 

[f7ben]

Here I was expecting an intelligent response. My mistake.

I don’t think you deserved one. I could be wrong.

 

[Sweetnut]

And last year he had a .931 SV% in 39 games.

So is this season an anomaly, is last season an anomaly, or is it something in between?

Ottinger has the same as him this year, .897%, and Andrei Vasilevskiy .899%. And they got some more solid defensemen in front of them than Gus had/has.
I think he will be ok in the long run, this year has been difficult for the whole defense

 

[57special]

Ottinger has the same as him this year, .897%, and Andrei Vasilevskiy .899%. And they got some more solid defensemen in front of them than Gus had/has.
I think he will be ok in the long run, this year has been difficult for the whole defense

It can't be underestimated how poor the D has been this year, even though the team plays a relatively good system which disguises that. Merrill and Mermis are poor 6/7D, Middleton is more of a 4/5, but has been playing a #3 role for most of the season(if not higher!), Goligoski is toast, and none of the D prospects in iowa have stepped up.
The fact that we are excited about a waiver wire pickup with next to no NHL experience(Chisholm), and Bogosian, a player with a disappointing career that is now entering it's twilight, says it all.

Brodin has been better than ever when on the ice, IMO, but is going to miss 25% of the games(for the second year in a row). Spurgeon we know about. If not for Faber's incredible year, the D would be a disaster.

I am not sure what Gus is, at this point, but this is a bad year to come to any hard and fast opinion about how good he is.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Here I was expecting an intelligent response. My mistake.

Yeah, that was your first mistake.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Yeah, that was your first mistake.

You win some and lose some.

I would like to see what different goaltenders would do on this team. This year has really soured me on both of them.

 

[Sweetnut]

You win some and lose some.

I would like to see what different goaltenders would do on this team. This year has really soured me on both of them.

You are a real tough customer, sir. He hasn't even had 100 starts in his career yet, and he is still at .912% over all. Cut him some slack, will you?

 

[MNRube]

Genuinely disgusted with myself bc I recall a couple months ago saying that “the west is wide open this year”

DAL/COL/EDM/VGK/LAK/NAS/VAN/WPG would all annihilate us.

 

[Wabit]

Genuinely disgusted with myself bc I recall a couple months ago saying that “the west is wide open this year”

DAL/COL/EDM/VGK/LAK/NAS/VAN/WPG would all annihilate us.

I think VAN loses in the 1st round. They just seem like a paper tiger team to me.

 

[kfan22]

I think VAN loses in the 1st round. They just seem like a paper tiger team to me.

thats because they have a good chance of getting Vegas in round 1

 

[Wabit]

thats because they have a good chance of getting Vegas in round 1

It could be VGK, LA, MN, or STL and I think they lose to any of them (relatively health teams).

I didn't know their record against each before saying this either. they are .500 record against all 4 teams so far this year.

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

I'm sure its been done but here's a cap projection for next year assuming they mostly run it back again

FORWARDS

3 Forwards that wont be moved bc theyre core players: Kaprizov, Ek, Boldy

3 Forwards that wont be moved bc trade protection: Zucc, Hartman, Foligno

2 Forwards that can be waived and buried with ELCs if they're out-performed (but there wont be any meaningful cap savings): Johansson and Gaudreau

2 Forwards on ELCs definitely on the team : Rossi and Khusnutdinov

So pretty much 10/12 forwards locked in (barring Johansson/Gaudrea waive & burys for basically no cap gain)

That comes in at about 39.25 MM

Find two more ELCs from a pool of Heidt (rumored to get try out to start year), Firstov, Letteri, Shaw, Lucchini

If its me I start with Heidt and Firstov. Letteri already has a 2-way deal so easy to start him in the AHL. Shaw is RFA and I negotiate a 2-way simiilar to Letteri's and start him in the AHL. Lucchini I probably let walk.

Lines will be getting jumbled around like crazy so no real point in trying to predict. Not really thinking about whats optimal or makes sense here just listing guys off really:

Kaprizov / Rossi / Zuccarello
Boldy / Ek / Hartman
Johansson / Khusnutdinov / Foligno
Heidt / Gaudreau / Firstov

I'm starting with the assumption of no 13th to start and adding that option after adding everything else up since its a lower priority. The price tag for this is pretty much identical to the 41.1 MM they are currently paying their forward group.

DEFENSEMEN

3 defensemen that are unlikely to be moved both bc of their contract and bc core or valuable players at cap hit : Brodin, Faber, Middleton

1 defenseman unlikely to be moved bc of trade protection/cap hit/ age / role : Spurgeon

2 defensemen that can be waived and buried if out-competed by an ELC (but no cap savings) : Merrill and Bogosian

1 defenseman RFA who prob commands a 1-way contract between 1-2MM : Chisholm

I assume Spurgeon isnt traded (very unlikely he would be) so with Goligoski's 2MM contract departing adding Spurgeon's 7.575MM is a net +5.75MM to current price tag,

Bogosian wont be waived/ buried right now. Its an option if he's out-competed eventually but that wont be the case to start. His raise adds 0.4MM to current price tag. We're up to +6.15 net.

Merill is the most likely player to waive & bury on the team if needed but lets assume he's not for now.

Chisholm should command a 1 way between 1 and 2MM next year I imagine. Put him down for 1.5MM (raise of 0.725)? +6.875MM net

Mermis I would maybe try to negotiate a 2way contract and start in AHL but he can also leave. He might get a 1 way deal somewhere. Either way - no cap hit to start season. This brings the cap hit increase back down to +6.1MM

So defense group is something like:

Brodin / Faber
Middleton / Spurgeon
Chisholm / Bogosian
Merrill

for the price tag of 21.1MM. We're up to 62.2MM so far. The dead cap hits are ofc locked in and that gets us to about 77MM. Next year's cap will be 87.7MM so there's about 10.7MM space before we consider goalies.

Barring any kind of trade Gus is locked in at 3.75MM

If Flower returns I assume the cap hit will be similar to current (3.5MM) so that would leave about 3.45MM space. Add whatever ELC for 13th forward and there's around 2.5MM left.

If Wallstedt instead of Flower there's about 6MM room + with a 13F there would be about 5MM space.

(+/- few hundred K for not being specific about things like ELC variability or maybe performance bonuses or whatever)

 

[BagHead]

The Wild picked up a big point today. They are now 5 points behind VGK and LA for the final wildcard spot with only 11 games remaining (13 for VGK and LA), and are 6 points ahead of CGY, 5 points ahead of NJ, and 2 points ahead of NYI. Luckily, the teams behind the Wild also have games in hand, but less luckily they haven't been winning as much as the Wild have. The Wild appear to be fairly locked into 14th or 15th overall in the draft, the last two spots before the playoff teams.

Sometimes this team pisses me off.

 

[Webster]

That huge point against the Blues means the Wild are still in the race. 0 points out of this game would basically mean good night.

 

[Spurgeon]

That huge point against the Blues means the Wild are still in the race. 0 points out of this game would basically mean good night.

They pretty much need to win out to make it in. Assuming they need to win 10 out of the remaining 11 & each game is approximately a coin flip, they've got about a 0.6% chance of making the playoffs.

 

[Wasted Talent]

They pretty much need to win out to make it in. Assuming they need to win 10 out of the remaining 11 & each game is approximately a coin flip, they've got about a 0.6% chance of making the playoffs.

Yeah, making the playoffs would require a miracle at this point.

I wonder if it's time to just let Brodin and Ek recover in peace to make sure they're ready for next season.

 

[BigT2002]

This is most likely the final year of my season tickets after 15 years (oh good for me). I've gone through a TON of ups and downs. But man....these last few years have just been difficult to feel that the team is trending in the right direction anymore. It has just been treading water for the last handful of years. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Personally, it is just hard to cut that check now. Same song and dance. Fringe playoff contender with a fizzle out in 5 games.

 

[f7ben]

This is most likely the final year of my season tickets after 15 years (oh good for me). I've gone through a TON of ups and downs. But man....these last few years have just been difficult to feel that the team is trending in the right direction anymore. It has just been treading water for the last handful of years. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Personally, it is just hard to cut that check now. Same song and dance. Fringe playoff contender with a fizzle out in 5 games.

You just don’t understand how close we are!!!! We just need one defensemen and then CUP!!!! It’s because of injuries!!! Other teams don’t have to deal with that stuff like we did!!!! We are so close!!!!

 

[north21]

Who has said we are close to a cup? Or is this just drama queen stuff during an obvious rebuilding year? We are going to tread water next season too.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

You just don’t understand how close we are!!!! We just need one defensemen and then CUP!!!! It’s because of injuries!!! Other teams don’t have to deal with that stuff like we did!!!! We are so close!!!!

You just don’t understand!! We just need to trade Kaprizov and Eriksson Ek for singular draft picks and then CUP!!!! It’s because of Hynes we didn’t tank!!! Other teams would have just kept the coach to keep losing!!