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If they wanted to dangle Rossi this summer, one thinks they would have showcased him with Kaprizov and PP1 time a lot more than they did
MuckOG
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I'm still not convinced there are any real discussions of trading Rossi this offseason.
Have you seen any instance of Guerin managing assets properly? He doesn’t even try and win trades.
MuckOG
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I am fine with trading anyone, if the return is there. I just can't think of a realistic return for Rossi that excites me. Rossi + for Zegras if the latter has worn out his welcome in ANA? Not that I think that Zegras is BG's idea of a player. Trading for a more established player won't make sense because he will have a cap hit that will be troublesome to deal with. A draft pick? Ehh, in this draft, there is Celebrini, then maybe 2-3 guys, then a bunch of players with some promise, but also some questions. I mean, Catton is a slight C, but very skilled, with 116 points in 68 gp. Sounds great, but Rossi has 120 pts in 56 gp in his draft year.
I like Rossi because he seems smart, very determined, and can play C. I thought he had plateaued, and would never be strong or fast enough to be much of a NHL player, but he proved me wrong with the great work he did over the summer. I have no reason to believe he won't continue to improve as he ages and gets stronger.
So, I would actually be happy to hear that BG is listening to trades for anyone on the team, but if Rossi goes, it better be someone young, and with a high ceiling. An exception might be someone like Crosby, who is obviously amazing, but that doesn't make sense for all kinds of reasons.
I like Rossi because he seems smart, very determined, and can play C. I thought he had plateaued, and would never be strong or fast enough to be much of a NHL player, but he proved me wrong with the great work he did over the summer. I have no reason to believe he won't continue to improve as he ages and gets stronger.
So, I would actually be happy to hear that BG is listening to trades for anyone on the team, but if Rossi goes, it better be someone young, and with a high ceiling. An exception might be someone like Crosby, who is obviously amazing, but that doesn't make sense for all kinds of reasons.
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And there's the thing that could make it better, the return. I would trade anyone on this team for the right return, and they actually got that return for Fiala. The difference was that Fiala was in his prime and about to get paid. Rossi is not in his prime, and is going to be relatively low-cost for some time still. I have my doubts about him getting a better, younger player again.
For a team that has lacked centers for too long to remember any talk of trading a young center who is defensively responsible and able to contribute offensively seems a touch insane. Even if yurov becomes an elite #1 center we should be drooling over the thought of running ek yurov and rossi for the better part of the next decade.
Minnewildsota
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I don't understand the logic of this site sometimes.
"Russo is a hack!"
"Russo said something we don't like so we're going to get hell bent over it"
So, which is it? Is he a hack or a trusted source?
I'm going to take this for what it is, grumblings. I'm not going to get too mad or happy about it until it comes into fruition and we know the return.
If it's a worse player? I'll be angry.
If it's a better player? I'll be happy.
Pretty simple logic, really.
"Russo is a hack!"
"Russo said something we don't like so we're going to get hell bent over it"
So, which is it? Is he a hack or a trusted source?
I'm going to take this for what it is, grumblings. I'm not going to get too mad or happy about it until it comes into fruition and we know the return.
If it's a worse player? I'll be angry.
If it's a better player? I'll be happy.
Pretty simple logic, really.
MuckOG
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The overwhelming consensus was he could have done better in many of his trades. He has said himself he just looks for a deal he likes and doesn’t push hard for more.
BagHead
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I consider him a trusted source, and always have. I don't love the amount of fluff and filler he's produced since joining the Athletic, but that's another topic altogether. His read on, and especially his reporting on the team's sentiment of its players and potential moves is always pretty accurate.
DANOZ28
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is that really a high bar to achieve? no wild gm has done exceptional or we'd have more playoff success! i never liked DR but in his defense ownership never spent to the cap.
TaLoN
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All the more mind boggling to suggest moving him after a productive rookie year.
Saga of the Elk
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it's not true either. Riseborough started from absolute scratch and built a team that made the conference finals. Guerin took a playoff team that features guys like Brodin, Boldy, JEE and Kaprizov and built a team that will miss the playoffs. By what metric is that good? Drafting Stramel is actually a much bigger mistake than, say, Gillies, because the 2023 looks to be good. I don't blame anyone for thinking Riser wasn't great but given the degree of difficulty, the drafts, the mandate to win, the lack of ownership support... he did ok. Guerin got drunk at the draft and overruled his scouts.
Russo is a hack. He's a hard-working guy who is now in the Steve Simmons, Damien Cox, Robin Brownlee stage: connected to the team enough to get his scoops, practiced enough that he can pop off a few tear-jerkers per season, and not one iota more insightful than anyone who posts in this forum.
DANOZ28
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if you ask me guerin is just a former player who has taken one too many coconuts off the melon. does he even have a business degree that qualifies him to run an org?
Bazeek
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Fair points, though I think Guerin's ultimate grade depends on how the team looks after the Parise/Suter contracts expire. Whether he'd kept the players or bought them out, that's a significant hurdle to deal with as a GM. We knew that when Fletcher signed them and I don't think that competing while they were still on the books was ever a serious option.
So if the team's well positioned to capitalize on the glut of cap space and makes it a few rounds deep in the playoffs, you could argue that Guerin did alright. If they're still spinning the tires with first round exits or weighing the benefits of finishing lower in the standings again, I think you can say he did worse than Risebrough.
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Guerin might be the only GM in history who gets a "free pass" for the first six years of his tenure because of a decision he made at the start.
I need to see what happens with this team after Leipold is gone to see how much Leipold is pulling the strings on competing vs rebuilding.
In a vacuum, not knowing that information, Guerin has done a poor job at managing the NHL team, and his saving grace is hiring a highly touted scout and relinquishing most of his control over that aspect of running a club (exception being when he decided to override that scout). But he could have done a much better job of giving that scout more ammo, instead he chose to try to keep a rickety boat afloat when it was begging to sink.
Disagree with me, I don't care, but he's made too many head scratching decisions to make me believe the good moves he's stumbled into are much more than dumb luck. The prospects are on Brackett. The Faber trade is on Faber being much better than anyone anticipated, including LA, who wouldn't have traded him if they thought he'd become what he has.
Maybe Brackett saves his ass in the long term. Who knows. I'm not counting on it.
I need to see what happens with this team after Leipold is gone to see how much Leipold is pulling the strings on competing vs rebuilding.
In a vacuum, not knowing that information, Guerin has done a poor job at managing the NHL team, and his saving grace is hiring a highly touted scout and relinquishing most of his control over that aspect of running a club (exception being when he decided to override that scout). But he could have done a much better job of giving that scout more ammo, instead he chose to try to keep a rickety boat afloat when it was begging to sink.
Disagree with me, I don't care, but he's made too many head scratching decisions to make me believe the good moves he's stumbled into are much more than dumb luck. The prospects are on Brackett. The Faber trade is on Faber being much better than anyone anticipated, including LA, who wouldn't have traded him if they thought he'd become what he has.
Maybe Brackett saves his ass in the long term. Who knows. I'm not counting on it.
Sounds like Billy G is still negotiating with Yurov and the main issue is bonuses. Never made much sense that he would land in Iowa with his skillset and the year he is having. That would be a very pleasant surprise for next year if Yurov, Marat & Ohgren are stateside and in the system.
Agreed , pretty sad that the bar is simply getting our prospects here. Obviously not denying the Russia issues but man. What a struggle
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Russo said that Yurov's agent is demanding unrealistic incentive bonuses be added to the deal. Which wouldn't normally be an issue, but given the cap constraints and because incentive bonuses are counted towards the cap, this becomes an issue, for at least next season.
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Pretty sure those bonuses are all structured and capped. Not like Yurov is asking for a 5M bonus for playing 40 games here. Asking for max bonuses on his ELC is perfectly reasonable, the only reason it's "unrealistic" is because Guerin f***ed the cap up.
He doesn't get any stars for getting Yurov to come over next season if that's the case, because it sounds like without Guerin's blunder, Yurov would be coming over.
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