OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[newfy]

I've already prepared myself for the Lions to win no more than four games this year.

Curious to see what they do early in the draft now after addressing the secondary in free agency.

Im really surious to see if they take Jalen Carter or not. Fill s ahuge need and they can afford to take some risk, but man all of a sudden theres a lot of risk there it seems like. Best tape in the draft but worst combine/offseason

 

[Frk It]

Im really surious to see if they take Jalen Carter or not. Fill s ahuge need and they can afford to take some risk, but man all of a sudden theres a lot of risk there it seems like. Best tape in the draft but worst combine/offseason

Saw this yesterday, not sure how much stock to put into it:



Also I saw Kiper put him to Detroit at 6 in his recent Mock.

 

[newfy]

Saw this yesterday, not sure how much stock to put into it:



Also I saw Kiper put him to Detroit at 6 in his recent Mock.

I saw that as well and seeing everyone say that likely means he interviewed really well and there might be some more context to his pro day situation that the public arent privy to yet.

With 2 first rounders I think theres extra reason to risk making him the pick at 6. The team is pretty good right now, then add the best D tackle prospect since Suh to the mix? Even if he doesnt fully pan out youre going to get some good football outta him

 

[Bondurant]

Saw this yesterday, not sure how much stock to put into it:



Also I saw Kiper put him to Detroit at 6 in his recent Mock.

Carter is not accountable and showed up to pro day overweight. Does not sound like a Grit guy. Things may change if he falls but does not strike me as a guy Holmes and MC/DC are in on.

 

[izlez]

This is only one side of the story and coming from a lawyer defending Jalen, but there are some pretty easily verifiable facts presented here that change my perception a bit. I was under the impression he definitely fled the scene immediately and was most likely drunk. This says otherwise and I imagine the cops/a halfway competent journalist/the Lions would be able to determine pretty quickly if those are lies

 

[Hen Kolland]

This is only one side of the story and coming from a lawyer defending Jalen, but there are some pretty easily verifiable facts presented here that change my perception a bit. I was under the impression he definitely fled the scene immediately and was most likely drunk. This says otherwise and I imagine the cops/a halfway competent journalist/the Lions would be able to determine pretty quickly if those are lies

I will forever be skeptical of a written statement prepared by legal representation because it is a written statement prepared by legal representation.

The quote "With entry of his plea, the State is forever barred from bringing any additional charges against Jalen Carter for conduct alleged to have occurred on January 15, 2023" sits wrong with me because of how it is written and when it pops up in the statement.

It's disaster management of the highest order, making sure all the teams know that even if there was something else that he did wrong that night, it can't be brought up and become a distraction.

"Everyone know that my client won't have legal distractions if you decide to take him top 5"

It also sketches me out how everything later in the statement is qualified with "if it was thought...." lead ins.

"If the police thought that Jalen did something more, it would have been discovered"
"If the police though that alcohol was involved, he would have been tested"

The combination of the statements does nothing for me as an overanalytical skeptic of everything. But for me as a fan, sure why not draft him if you can get past the lack of performance and preparation at pro day. They are saying the "right" things and it appears as if we will never learn or see anything more than what we have today.

 

[izlez]

I will forever be skeptical of a written statement prepared by legal representation because it is a written statement prepared by legal representation.

The quote "With entry of his plea, the State is forever barred from bringing any additional charges against Jalen Carter for conduct alleged to have occurred on January 15, 2023" sits wrong with me because of how it is written and when it pops up in the statement.

It's disaster management of the highest order, making sure all the teams know that even if there was something else that he did wrong that night, it can't be brought up and become a distraction.

"Everyone know that my client won't have legal distractions if you decide to take him top 5"

It also sketches me out how everything later in the statement is qualified with "if it was thought...." lead ins.

"If the police thought that Jalen did something more, it would have been discovered"
"If the police though that alcohol was involved, he would have been tested"

The combination of the statements does nothing for me as an overanalytical skeptic of everything. But for me as a fan, sure why not draft him if you can get past the lack of performance and preparation at pro day. They are saying the "right" things and it appears as if we will never learn or see anything more than what we have today.

Can't say I disagree with any of your skepticism. The biggest takeaway for me from that is that he was still at the scene when police got there, That was not my understanding before, and should be pretty easily disprovable if its complete bullshit.

Now, if there were cops there and talked to him, is that footage available via a FOIA request? And how long would it take to become available? (Have to admit I actually have no idea if that's how it works).

 

[Frk It]

I saw that as well and seeing everyone say that likely means he interviewed really well and there might be some more context to his pro day situation that the public arent privy to yet.

With 2 first rounders I think theres extra reason to risk making him the pick at 6. The team is pretty good right now, then add the best D tackle prospect since Suh to the mix? Even if he doesnt fully pan out youre going to get some good football outta him

They really have some interesting possibilities with those #6 and #18 picks. I heard someone speculate they might love Lucas Van Ness, I could see that. Probably not as likely they take a corner now at #6 with those 3 signings they made.

I wonder if they might look at tight ends with that #18 pick?

 

[Hen Kolland]

Can't say I disagree with any of your skepticism. The biggest takeaway for me from that is that he was still at the scene when police got there, That was not my understanding before, and should be pretty easily disprovable if its complete bullshit.

Now, if there were cops there and talked to him, is that footage available via a FOIA request? And how long would it take to become available? (Have to admit I actually have no idea if that's how it works).

Oh I agree, if everything that they said is true, it should be really easy to verify.

There's just never going to be closure on every single detail. Maybe he was drinking and the police didn't catch it. Or maybe they chose to be ignorant.

We will never know exactly what happened, and as long as we know that he was on the scene and compliant, then the incident should not be an issue. That pro day is the real question mark in my mind.

 

[jkutswings]

They really have some interesting possibilities with those #6 and #18 picks. I heard someone speculate they might love Lucas Van Ness, I could see that. Probably not as likely they take a corner now at #6 with those 3 signings they made.

I wonder if they might look at tight ends with that #18 pick?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I will forever be skeptical of a written statement prepared by legal representation because it is a written statement prepared by legal representation.

The quote "With entry of his plea, the State is forever barred from bringing any additional charges against Jalen Carter for conduct alleged to have occurred on January 15, 2023" sits wrong with me because of how it is written and when it pops up in the statement.

It's disaster management of the highest order, making sure all the teams know that even if there was something else that he did wrong that night, it can't be brought up and become a distraction.

"Everyone know that my client won't have legal distractions if you decide to take him top 5"

It also sketches me out how everything later in the statement is qualified with "if it was thought...." lead ins.

"If the police thought that Jalen did something more, it would have been discovered"
"If the police though that alcohol was involved, he would have been tested"

The combination of the statements does nothing for me as an overanalytical skeptic of everything. But for me as a fan, sure why not draft him if you can get past the lack of performance and preparation at pro day. They are saying the "right" things and it appears as if we will never learn or see anything more than what we have today.

I think even ignoring the legal stuff... I'm skeptical of a guy who, maybe doesn't need to be, but was heavily rotated out even in college. The pro-day and combine where he got gassed pretty easily it seemed doesn't help in this matter either.

I don't care how good you are on like 20-25 snaps a game if that's all you can give me as a D tackle. It's why I wasn't a Jordan Davis guy last year and why I won't be a Jalen Carter guy this year. You can't manhandle NFL players like you can manhandle college kids. What he did on tape... he's not doing that to Penei Sewell. He's not doing that to Frank Ragnow or Trent Williams. Same way that most QBs from air raid offenses usually don't pan out... they can look incredible against college schemes but pro teams will eat them alive.

 

[Bondurant]

Rumor and innuendo but there is chatter the Chiefs opponent in Germany will be the Lions. I officially registered my interest on a ticket notification process and plan on heading to Frankfurt if this goes down.

 

[newfy]

I think even ignoring the legal stuff... I'm skeptical of a guy who, maybe doesn't need to be, but was heavily rotated out even in college. The pro-day and combine where he got gassed pretty easily it seemed doesn't help in this matter either.

I don't care how good you are on like 20-25 snaps a game if that's all you can give me as a D tackle. It's why I wasn't a Jordan Davis guy last year and why I won't be a Jalen Carter guy this year. You can't manhandle NFL players like you can manhandle college kids. What he did on tape... he's not doing that to Penei Sewell. He's not doing that to Frank Ragnow or Trent Williams. Same way that most QBs from air raid offenses usually don't pan out... they can look incredible against college schemes but pro teams will eat them alive.

Davis was at a different level of rotation in his draft year, Carters tape is also on a completely different level. If he needs to be rotated a bit but is a complete game wrecker in there then who cares. At 6, youre not getting a perfect prospect but his tape is the closest to perfect in the whole draft.

As for the hes not doing that to Sewell and others, of course not but you can literaly say that about everyone in the NCAA. Draft Gonzales? No, hes not locking down Jefferson or Chase the way he was locking up college players. The NFL is the best league, of course no one is going to dominate it the same way they did in college but that doesnt mean he doesnt have the best tape as a D tackle in 13 years

Rumor and innuendo but there is chatter the Chiefs opponent in Germany will be the Lions. I officially registered my interest on a ticket notification process and plan on heading to Frankfurt if this goes down.

I've read that as well and hope its true. Getting the Chiefs in Germany instead of Arrowhead would be a much more winnable game

 

[FabricDetails]

I can't stop laughing at the effortless stick checks, haha.

 

[aar000n]

Anyone talking about college playoffs here?

 

[Stony Curtis]

Anyone talking about college playoffs here?

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

More like the Colgate Comedy Hour am I right?

 

[jaster]

Michigan's defensive play still scares me, but they are a damn wagon offensively.

 

[aar000n]

What a beatdown 11-1.

 

[FabricDetails]

JV really a certified himbo or something? Haha.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Marvin Jones is coming back.

 

[newfy]

Marvin Jones is coming back.

Definitely not the guy he was when he left,but is a nice depth add. I wont be surprised if the Lions take a big X receiver this draft. Quentin Johnson is for sure a possibility at 18 but I would prefer they wait a littlelonger i think

 

[Ben Grimm]

QB Davis, No. 35 prospect in '24, picks Michigan

ESPN 300 quarterback Jadyn Davis, the No. 35 overall prospect in 2024, announced his commitment to the Michigan Wolverines on Friday.

www.espn.com

I'm happy.

 

[newfy]

QB Davis, No. 35 prospect in '24, picks Michigan

ESPN 300 quarterback Jadyn Davis, the No. 35 overall prospect in 2024, announced his commitment to the Michigan Wolverines on Friday.

www.espn.com

I'm happy.

ESPN is lower than him than other services.Hes top 10 nationally on rivals, 2nd ranked QB on 247 too.

We'll see where he ends up after his senior season but right now this is the highest rated QB since Mallet probably. JJ was close but he was a bit lower, that could change though. His teammate is the number 2 prospect and top O lineman in the 25 class too

 

[jaster]

ESPN is lower than him than other services.Hes top 10 nationally on rivals, 2nd ranked QB on 247 too.

We'll see where he ends up after his senior season but right now this is the highest rated QB since Mallet probably. JJ was close but he was a bit lower, that could change though. His teammate is the number 2 prospect and top O lineman in the 25 class too

JJ was lower? I just read a blurb on mgoblog basically saying, given the composite rankings, he's not quite JJ's level when he came in, and we shouldn't expect JJ's ceiling. JJ was premier 5-star, where this kid is more middle-of-the-road 5-star. I don't really follow these kids before they arrive, so I'm not arguing so much as just a little surprised to hear kinda opposite takes on that comparison.