OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[newfy]

JJ was lower? I just read a blurb on mgoblog basically saying, given the composite rankings, he's not quite JJ's level when he came in, and we shouldn't expect JJ's ceiling. JJ was premier 5-star, where this kid is more middle-of-the-road 5-star. I don't really follow these kids before they arrive, so I'm not arguing so much as just a little surprised to hear kinda opposite takes on that comparison.

I usually use rivals so maybe the composites are different. Worst case hes on JJs level but also hard to compare until he plays his senior season anyways. I agree that he wont have JJs ceiling, but he probably wont have the lows either.

Its been almost 20 years since Michigan went from a 5 star qb to another 5 star. Henne was an absolute stud, hopefully JJ has that type of year this year and then Davis I hope to god is better than Mallet

 

[jaster]

I usually use rivals so maybe the composites are different. Worst case hes on JJs level but also hard to compare until he plays his senior season anyways. I agree that he wont have JJs ceiling, but he probably wont have the lows either.

Its been almost 20 years since Michigan went from a 5 star qb to another 5 star. Henne was an absolute stud, hopefully JJ has that type of year this year and then Davis I hope to god is better than Mallet

Henne -> Mallet was pretty rad, at least before Mallet flamed out. But don't forget Navarre. Navarre -> Henne -> Mallet was a trifecta! Never mind that Navarre wasn't officially a 5-star, he was a 5-star in my heart.

Anyway, yeah, hopefully it's a successful 6, 7, 8 years between the two of them!

 

[newfy]

Henne -> Mallet was pretty rad, at least before Mallet flamed out. But don't forget Navarre. Navarre -> Henne -> Mallet was a trifecta! Never mind that Navarre wasn't officially a 5-star, he was a 5-star in my heart.

Anyway, yeah, hopefully it's a successful 6, 7, 8 years between the two of them!

The quarterback position is really what held back the early Harbaugh Michigan teams. Even if they flame out vs expectations going McNamara to JJ to Davis is a lot nicer than watching guys like Speight and O'Korn hold back some really stacked teams

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

The quarterback position is really what held back the early Harbaugh Michigan teams. Even if they flame out vs expectations going McNamara to JJ to Davis is a lot nicer than watching guys like Speight and O'Korn hold back some really stacked teams

U of M always has a top 10 QB by ranking more often than not in my lifetime. What surprises me is how poorly he has developed guys. He had Johnson at San Diego and obviously Luck at Stanford. Morris, McCaffrey, Milton and McNamara were highly touted guys. U of M always has highly touted guys across the board. Now there is the recruiting bump, but it has been more talent development that has been the issue periodically. He seems to have turned a corner there, curious to see how Ohio State responds.

 

[NickH8]

Tigers are uh oh stinky

 

[Winger98]

Tigers are uh oh stinky

It's baseball. Have to spend some cash to win and the Tigers big signing this summer was...Lorenzen? Who is on the 15 day dl.

Miggy's deal comes off the books after this year, and Mize/Skubel should be back later in the year from their arm issues and ready to go next year. I'm hoping Ilitch commits to getting some talent for the Tigers over next winter.

 

[SoupNazi]

It's baseball. Have to spend some cash to win and the Tigers big signing this summer was...Lorenzen? Who is on the 15 day dl.

Miggy's deal comes off the books after this year, and Mize/Skubel should be back later in the year from their arm issues and ready to go next year. I'm hoping Ilitch commits to getting some talent for the Tigers over next winter.

I'd bet that comes from trade, because I don't think Ohtani considers the Tigers and outside of that, the FA class is as shallow as the NHL's for the upcoming offseason.

 

[Ricelund]

I'd bet that comes from trade, because I don't think Ohtani considers the Tigers and outside of that, the FA class is as shallow as the NHL's for the upcoming offseason.

You don't think Chris is going to offer $500M+ to Ohtani?

 

[SoupNazi]

You don't think Chris is going to offer $500M+ to Ohtani?

I think the chances are just as good that he offers me $500M.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I think the chances are just as good that he offers me $500M.

Nah, he will offer Ohtani $500 million easily, the problem is, so will like 20 other teams

 

[Winger98]

I think the chances are just as good that he offers me $500M.

You'll take less to stay with HF, though

 

[SoupNazi]

You'll take less to stay with HF, though

True. Except no one will laud me as a hero for it.

 

[aar000n]

That was a brutal first three games good news is Michigan is in the frozen four.

 

[FabricDetails]

Z picks Pav, Stevie, Nick and Cheli as his all-time linemates. At least as far today goes, haha

Would love to hear what his answer would be for the Olympic team.

 

[Ricelund]

The slow death of baseball in Detroit

Published April 3, 2023 Believe it or not, it’s been more than six years since Mr. I, Mike Ilitch, passed away. A titan in sports ownership, Ilitch resurrected the Red Wings from the brink an…

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[jaster]

The slow death of baseball in Detroit

Published April 3, 2023 Believe it or not, it’s been more than six years since Mr. I, Mike Ilitch, passed away. A titan in sports ownership, Ilitch resurrected the Red Wings from the brink an…

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Baseball is dying in Detroit, in plain sight. The Ilitch family ownership has mostly been a failure. Let’s face it.

The Scott Harris Era is the last stand. If he fouls this up, it’s game over.

That point rings true for me. I'm willing to give Scott Harris the time needed to course correct, but if the Harris era flounders, the Tigers will have become the Lions in so many ways. Inept ownership guaranteeing decades of futility.

 

[ricky0034]

That point rings true for me. I'm willing to give Scott Harris the time needed to course correct, but if the Harris era flounders, the Tigers will have become the Lions in so many ways. Inept ownership guaranteeing decades of futility.

as someone that's a very casual baseball fan(I probably watch like maybe a couple Tigers games a year when they are bad and check boxscores like a couple times a week when I remember) i'm willing to give Harris the benefit of the doubt and see what he does but my interest is definitely hanging on by a thread after the disaster that was last year

 

[Winger98]

That point rings true for me. I'm willing to give Scott Harris the time needed to course correct, but if the Harris era flounders, the Tigers will have become the Lions in so many ways. Inept ownership guaranteeing decades of futility.

Losing and still raking cash in hand over fist? Sounds like the Chris Ilitch wet dream.

Harris will get as much a chance as Avila from me. For all of the bagging on the old man and his inept ways with the Tigers I'm not sure you could ever question Mike wanted to win. With Chris...being bad isn't what he's given crap for. It's being okay with being crap.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Losing and still raking cash in hand over fist? Sounds like the Chris Ilitch wet dream.

Harris will get as much a chance as Avila from me. For all of the bagging on the old man and his inept ways with the Tigers I'm not sure you could ever question Mike wanted to win. With Chris...being bad isn't what he's given crap for. It's being okay with being crap.

Yeah, the way he has run the Tigers has made it clear that Chris doesn't care about the product on the field as much as he cares about money. He was going to normalize his payroll, establish parameters to play within, and then allow someone to try to be competitive.

What remains to be seen is how much is he willing to use executive privilege to authorize big ticket spending when the team gets to a respectably competitive position.

Hockey is easier to a certain extent because everybody has the parameters to play within; but we saw the way that they rode out Blashill's contract. He knew the team wasn't competitive and Blashill wasn't an obstacle to competing, so he was happy to eat the leftovers in his fridge instead of getting takeout because he wasn't going to spend money when he already had food at home.

Simply, I think Chris will be a disaster of an owner because he will stifle flexibility until he has a reasonable certainty of a payback on his spending.

 

[jaster]

Losing and still raking cash in hand over fist? Sounds like the Chris Ilitch wet dream.

That is certainly one of the ways, yes lol.

Harris will get as much a chance as Avila from me. For all of the bagging on the old man and his inept ways with the Tigers I'm not sure you could ever question Mike wanted to win. With Chris...being bad isn't what he's given crap for. It's being okay with being crap.

Yeah, totally agree. I think the Mike/Chris comparison is a delicate line to walk. Even when the Wings were winning, Mike would point out that his first love was baseball and implied he wanted the Tigers to win even more than the Wings. He may have only had a glimmer of success because he eventually threw loads of money at the thing, and probably ultimately never won because he hired a lot of junk baseball people and every other facet of the franchise was either meh or total dogshit. But he wanted it, that was clear for years. He was a pure, unadulterated capitalist with a baseball/sports fetish. Chris seems like a pure, unadulterated capitalist with a I-plan-to-never-have-a-soul fetish. Or maybe a Scrooge-McDuck-swim-in-my-money fetish.

 

[BSHH]

That point rings true for me. I'm willing to give Scott Harris the time needed to course correct, but if the Harris era flounders, the Tigers will have become the Lions in so many ways. Inept ownership guaranteeing decades of futility.

But if the Tigers "become the Lions", baseball wouldn't be bad at all: Even a 3 win-season sparked enough interest (coupled with "Hard Knocks"-coverage at an ideal moment), which has been intensified after the late 8-2 streak. The Lions practically evolved into a "hot ticket" within two years.

Moreover, the "Chris Illitch does not spend any money"‐narrative is simply not true; it is particularly surprising to find the fairytale in the Red Wings subforum of all virtual places. The Tigers did not spend any money this year, which I find disappointing as well, but players like Baez, Ed. Rodriguez, Pineda and Barnhart weren't cheap last year - they just didn't help the Tigers much. Unfortunately, the exact same thing is true for the Verlander trade. Illitch won't have any reason not to sign off a notable payroll next year, so I will give him that time.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[Winger98]

But if the Tigers "become the Lions", baseball wouldn't be bad at all: Even a 3 win-season sparked enough interest (coupled with "Hard Knocks"-coverage at an ideal moment), which has been intensified after the late 8-2 streak. The Lions practically evolved into a "hot ticket" within two years.

Moreover, the "Chris Illitch does not spend any money"‐narrative is simply not true; it is particularly surprising to find the fairytale in the Red Wings subforum of all virtual places. The Tigers did not spend any money this year, which I find disappointing as well, but players like Baez, Ed. Rodriguez, Pineda and Barnhart weren't cheap last year - they just didn't help the Tigers much. Unfortunately, the exact same thing is true for the Verlander trade. Illitch won't have any reason not to sign off a notable payroll next year, so I will give him that time.

Gruß,
BSHH

except he was arguably the cheapest, and most flawed, option at a position of desperate need while we had the inside track on the best option. I'll give him credit for Rodriguez, Barnhardt, and Pineda but those also weren't big signings.

Maybe Ilitch will change his ways, maybe he'll spend heavily to keep talent we develop rather than going after free agents. I hope so, but this isn't something I expect.

 

[ricky0034]

what Illitch does when Cabrera's $32 million comes off the books after this year will be pretty telling

the Tigers are already well below the league average in payroll but they could easily be in the bottom 5 soon, especially if either Baez or Rodriguez end up having a good enough season to opt out of their deals

 

[Hen Kolland]

what Illitch does when Cabrera's $32 million comes off the books after this year will be pretty telling

the Tigers are already well below the league average in payroll but they could easily be in the bottom 5 soon, especially if either Baez or Rodriguez end up having a good enough season to opt out of their deals

Well the good (bad) news is, Baez is incapable of playing at that level

 

[Ricelund]

Yeah, Baez will not be opting out. We're stuck with that deal until 2027.