Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[Junohockeyfan]

Ws w/upside as possible fit:
Rights to Lauri Pajuniemi, 6', 196lbs righty shot RW, 24, 2018 5th rnd 132OA
elite prospects info:

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Paj can be brought in immediately for cup o coffee tryout

and also long term
Noah Laba, righty shot C, 6'2", 192, 2022, 4th rnd 111OA
Noah Laba at eliteprospects.com

plus NYR 2024 4th

for

Barron + MON + SJS 2024 5ths

If nec b'c Habs show zero cap, can add a small salary to get it close
(e.g., Wheeler for immediate use, or do you want like Belzille back?)

something like that...

I prefer to get NYR 2nd for Armia. That seems more reasonable.

 

[FerrisRox]

Holtz from NJ ?
Greig from Ottawa ?
Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration if he'd been willing to sign in Canada (apparently he wasn't)
Coronato, so Calgary can have some future on D once the UFAs are moved out ?

Is this for real?

Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration? You think Alexander Holtz for Justin Barron is a reasonable idea?

I really like Justin Barron and frankly I don't want them trading him, but these suggestions are absurd.

 

[dirtydanglez]

pinto. his suspension must be up soon

 

[pth2]

Is this for real?

Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration? You think Alexander Holtz for Justin Barron is a reasonable idea?

I really like Justin Barron and frankly I don't want them trading him, but these suggestions are absurd.

Well, NJ fans didn't think Holtz was an insane idea. Not a fit on their end, but value seemed reasonable to them.

Gauthier ? Well, he just got moved for an injury-prone D with comparable numbers to Barron... doesn't mean it's a fit or that value is all that close, this is a "value of" thread, but of course people focus on the ideas thrown out there rather than suggest anything constructive (much easier to hate than to think something up)

pinto. his suspension must be up soon

He'll be radioactive for a couple of years, which is why I suggested Greig, instead.

 

[EveryDay]

Given that my recent postings outside of HFJets have been about the Chicago Bears and Sean Monahan, I can only assume you're talking about my posts on Monahan. I take it you didn't appreciate that the numbers didn't agree with the perception of Monahan as this defensively responsible playoff asset. Can't help you with that.

In this case, Barron is a D-man who, based on the fact that he's a healthy scratch, doesn't seem to play at a level where he's considered a consistent top 6 D-man on the 8th worst team in the league which isn't exactly exploding with D talent. He's waiver eligible starting next season.

He's producing closely to 30 pts in his first 82 games in the NHL playing on the 2nd pairing for one of the worst team in the league. He's also just 22 years old and a former 1st round pick.
why would MTL put a guy like that on waivers?

Given that my recent postings outside of HFJets have been about the Chicago Bears and Sean Monahan, I can only assume you're talking about my posts on Monahan. I take it you didn't appreciate that the numbers didn't agree with the perception of Monahan as this defensively responsible playoff asset. Can't help you with that.

In this case, Barron is a D-man who, based on the fact that he's a healthy scratch, doesn't seem to play at a level where he's considered a consistent top 6 D-man on the 8th worst team in the league which isn't exactly exploding with D talent. He's waiver eligible starting next season.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Well, NJ fans didn't think Holtz was an insane idea. Not a fit on their end, but value seemed reasonable to them.

Gauthier ? Well, he just got moved for an injury-prone D with comparable numbers to Barron... doesn't mean it's a fit or that value is all that close, this is a "value of" thread, but of course people focus on the ideas thrown out there rather than suggest anything constructive (much easier to hate than to think something up)


He'll be radioactive for a couple of years, which is why I suggested Greig, instead.

i think they'll keep greig. he exceed expecations in the role that was given too him. he makes pinto expendable imo.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Or you can go look in thread yourself I don't feel the burden to provide proof

too many boners to the face you can't think straight

 

[Perratrooper]

Not sure the upside is there on either of those guys.
Cap isn't an issue for Montreal right now.


Well, Barron and Ritchie are rated similarly in THN's rating of youngish players.... so I'm not sure how you could justify a massive add (legit worth more than either Barron or Ritchie) on either side of the deal.


In fairness, Devils fans were classy about Holtz, explaining how value was there but there wasn't a fit for them.

EDIT: Kudos as well to the Sharks fan who suggested Bystedt, who isn't chopped liver either.

Bruv every post I’ve made in this thread has been tongue in cheek.

 

[DeletedUser539]

too many boners to the face you can't think straight

No I bone faces

 

[bernmeister]

I prefer to get NYR 2nd for Armia. That seems more reasonable.

thnx Rs do not need/want Fs generally, Armia in particular
correct fit RD, we can talk, otherwise no

 

[Jared Dunn]

That logjam was exactly why I was asking about the risk of his being exposed to waivers. Right now, he's an okay D-man. He could be overtaken by the other D-men listed in the OP.

It's just not a serious risk, 1-2 D will be dealt if not him and they'd send down Hutson and Mailloux at least to start the year over exposing him

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Gauthier ? Well, he just got moved for an injury-prone D with comparable numbers to Barron...

The only comparable between Drysdale and Barron are that they’re both RD. Drysdale put up 32 points as a 19 year old, while Barron is on pace for 23 points as a 22 year old. There’s nothing remotely comparable between the two. Drysdale is on a whole other level than Barron. There’s zero chance Philly would’ve entertained a Barron for Gauthier trade. This is like every other thread that involves a Montreal player, Montreal fans (even if it’s a select group of them) severely over rate their players.

 

[biturbo19]

The only comparable between Drysdale and Barron are that they’re both RD. Drysdale put up 32 points as a 19 year old, while Barron is on pace for 23 points as a 22 year old. There’s nothing remotely comparable between the two. Drysdale is on a whole other level than Barron. There’s zero chance Philly would’ve entertained a Barron for Gauthier trade. This is like every other thread that involves a Montreal player, Montreal fans (even if it’s a select group of them) severely over rate their players.

Absolutely.

Though the interesting caveat to this, is that while Philly never would've even given a Barron offer the time of day (even if it weren't off Cutters list anyway)...i get the sense that Anaheim might actually entertain some sort of swap around for someone like Barron now as a result of that trade.

I get the strong sense that like his mentors Steve and Kenny, Verbeek has learned to be a bit of a "size queen" especially when it comes to defencemen. Particularly ironic for him, but nonetheless...the one thing where Barron has a distinct advantage over Drysdale, is "tallness". He's a lesser player in pretty much every single other facet, but he does have a much bigger frame.


So i could see something where the Ducks might be interested in Barron in a swap of some lesser pieces, now that they've opened up a little bit of room in the future of their RHD projection. Though i also think, at least per most Ducks fans...they're pretty comfortable with the way their young defensive/prospect depth sits. Up front is still probably the bigger focal point, even with the Cutter/Drysdale swap.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Barron and a 2nd for Lehkonen?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Absolutely.

Though the interesting caveat to this, is that while Philly never would've even given a Barron offer the time of day (even if it weren't off Cutters list anyway)...i get the sense that Anaheim might actually entertain some sort of swap around for someone like Barron now as a result of that trade.

I get the strong sense that like his mentors Steve and Kenny, Verbeek has learned to be a bit of a "size queen" especially when it comes to defencemen. Particularly ironic for him, but nonetheless...the one thing where Barron has a distinct advantage over Drysdale, is "tallness". He's a lesser player in pretty much every single other facet, but he does have a much bigger frame.


So i could see something where the Ducks might be interested in Barron in a swap of some lesser pieces, now that they've opened up a little bit of room in the future of their RHD projection. Though i also think, at least per most Ducks fans...they're pretty comfortable with the way their young defensive/prospect depth sits. Up front is still probably the bigger focal point, even with the Cutter/Drysdale swap.

The Ducks are shallow on the right side, so grabbing a young RD makes a lot of sense. However, isn’t Barron more of an offensive dman? I think they’d prefer someone that’s a strong two way or even mostly defensive dman. I think Barron could still be of interest, I’m just not sure if he fits what Verbeek is really looking for.

 

[biturbo19]

The Ducks are shallow on the right side, so grabbing a young RD makes a lot of sense. However, isn’t Barron more of an offensive dman? I think they’d prefer someone that’s a strong two way or even mostly defensive dman. I think Barron could still be of interest, I’m just not sure if he fits what Verbeek is really looking for.

I'm not sure i'd strictly call Barron an "offensive D" or a "defensive D" really. He's like a lot of the Habs mush of middling young D trying to establish something. A bit of both, and neither...at the same time.

As for what fits Verbeek's mold...hard to say. He's obviously got some pretty defined qualities he's looking for, and who knows if Barron has them or not. But he has a good sized frame, so that's at least a start.

 

[pth2]

The only comparable between Drysdale and Barron are that they’re both RD.

Their ppg is overall similar, and they are from the same draft class. Drysdale was clearly ahead early on, his injuries mean Barron isn't far behind.

Again, I'm not saying they are identical, but close enough to require a deeper analysis, and it's possible some GMs prefer Barron for one reason or another.

I'm not sure i'd strictly call Barron an "offensive D" or a "defensive D" really. He's like a lot of the Habs mush of middling young D trying to establish something. A bit of both, and neither...at the same time.

What? He's clearly an offensive type, he QBs the 2nd PP unit, and his passing is excellent.

 

[biturbo19]

Their ppg is overall similar, and they are from the same draft class. Drysdale was clearly ahead early on, his injuries mean Barron isn't far behind.

Again, I'm not saying they are identical, but close enough to require a deeper analysis, and it's possible some GMs prefer Barron for one reason or another.


What? He's clearly an offensive type, he QBs the 2nd PP unit, and his passing is excellent.

I don't really see it. He's not a real standout offensive guy, but he's also not just a pure offensive guy either. He's also certainly not a shutdown guy. Idk what he ultimately is, but it's not really "offensive D" or "defensive D".

"Quarterbacking" a 2nd PP Unit is hardly evidence of much of anything. Especially when the "1st unit" is more or less run by Matheson...who is far from a real "offensive juggernaut" to unseat in his own right.

 

[Theodore450]

Barron and a 2nd for Lehkonen?

I wish

 

[Flamesfan62]

Pelletier for Barron? Straight up?

Why would Calgary do that?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

From San Jose I'd offer Bordeleau with a later pick.

 

[Lockin17]

Barron + for Will Cuylle ?

 

[Benstheman]

Guhle just now played with Matheson covering the McDavid and McKinnon lines. If he was going to look like a fool on RD, it would already be done.

So much speed between those 2. While Matheson is average at best defensively, they did an amazing job against the two best players in the leaugue.

 

[Gaud]

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

Ok, even on mtl threads i havent seen that.

Every fan would know his team better than a fan from another team; it make sense that they would defend their players when they perceived that they were being injustly evaluated? They are no different than other fans who know their team but dont know the other team's players as well. Maybe habs are just more numerous, more interested in talking hockey and more passionate.

Some of us actually look for precedence, stats, comparisons, etc - using sites liek capfriedly, sportlogiq, reviewing theAthletic and other publications in the hockey world.

I've seen as many trades where mtl fans over evaluated than trades where they were right. How many times did i see "Toffoli will never get a 1st"? About as many as i saw mtl fan comments that Edmunson would net a 1st. Lekhonen and Chiarot got even MORE than the majority of habs fans were expecting.

How many times do i see fans say "getting X player will require your team to fork over (insert team's best bluechip prospect)" ? Those bluechip players almost NEVER get included. How many peeps though Karlsson was a friggin cap dump?He got way more than people thought. Chychrun got way less than people expected. I was personally floored when Burns got traded, thinking e woudl get way more. It's not tied in to one fanbase; it is just disproportionnate.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

While it’s a fun idea for Wpg to trade for him and have both Barron bros, he really doesn’t fill a need. In fact he would add to a problem.

We currently have several similarly tiered and skilled dmen we don’t have room for.

I actually see very little diff between him and Declan Chisholm, I’d rate Barron higher obv, but both rd similar age build and both have some offence. I’d rate him lower than Ville Heinola, but ville is an LD.

We currently have

Stanley
Chisholm
Heinola
Salomonsson

It’s like we need to move 2 of Stanley/Chisholm/Schmidt before we even think of adding Barron and I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on what we have. Not sure the appetite to even move Schmidt - although it would be good from a cap perspective this year and next.

I kinda feel we would be over paying with Chaz, why not use that asset on a need?

Edit: I’m not saying Barron isn’t worth Chaz - seems fair In A vacuum. I’m just saying for Wpg is the bump up from Chisholm or Ville worth Chaz. Not sure.