Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[Chose]

Honestly could have been the takes from you guys as a fan base is a 50-50 you either hate some players or absolutely love em no matter what

We don't like Armia that much...

 

[Intangir]

I don't think Barron should be traded at all. He's just turned 22, still has tons more room to grow his game, and is currently playing in a top 4 role as an RD alongside Guhle while not looking out of place at all.

Now mind, Barron wouldn't be top 4 right now on a really good and deep team. He's just not there in his development. But the fact that he handles those minutes/assignments while holding his own is already a pretty good sign.

Then you add to that the fact that in spite of an anemic offense Barron has still produced at a decent clip for a defenseman despite not seeing a lot of PP minutes, that he's pretty good in transition, an underrated passer, and also that while there's still tons of work to do, Barron has definitely progressed defensively this season.

So yeah, I get that Mailloux has impressed in the AHL, moreso even since Xhekaj became his partner, and that Reinbacher looks to be an Hanifin-like type of defenseman in the NHL. But until both of those right defensemen show their stuff at the NHL level trading Barron is just not worth the risk.

I mean, it would be such a "Montreal Canadiens type of move" for them to trade Barron for a good forward thinking some prospects from their pipeline could replace him only for said prospects to get injured long-term/suck at the NHL level and for Barron to thrive elsewhere.

Ultimately, the Canadiens will need to trade some depth on D for forward help or picks to get said forward help. But that decision is not one Kent Hughes should make this year in my opinion, unless he gets a chance to grab a "can't miss" type of young forward/forward prospect (and those just don't get traded often, so low chance it happens).

I think the right time for a young D trade will probably be in-season next year. Or maybe even Summer 2025.

 

[Chose]

Well, I figure Guhle can play either side, and Reinbacher has a management team that invested heavily in him so they have to believe in him.

And Barron, to me, fit into the "proven enough to have value" category without being the cornerstone I see Guhle becoming over the next decade.

While Ghule "can" play the right side, I would have to check if he is as effective in doing so...

You are right with Reinbacher, but don't you think he could benefit from 1y playing in the AHL ? Say with Hutson on the first pair ?
I don't think the best time to trade Barron is now...

And Barron still being "unproven" to an extent, that says that Ghule would return much more. And we need quality offense upgrade, so this would require a quality payment...

 

[pth2]

I don't think Barron should be traded at all. He's just turned 22, still has tons more room to grow his game, and is currently playing in a top 4 role as an RD alongside Guhle while not looking out of place at all.

Now mind, Barron wouldn't be top 4 right now on a really good and deep team. He's just not there in his development. But the fact that he handles those minutes/assignments while holding his own is already a pretty good sign.

Then you add to that the fact that in spite of an anemic offense Barron has still produced at a decent clip for a defenseman despite not seeing a lot of PP minutes, that he's pretty good in transition, an underrated passer, and also that while there's still tons of work to do, Barron has definitely progressed defensively this season.

I get that Mailloux has impressed in the AHL, moreso even since Xhekaj became his partner, and that Reinbacher looks to be an Hanifin-like type of defenseman in the NHL, but until both of those right defensemen show their stuff at the NHL level trading Barron is just not worth the risk.

I mean, it would be such a "Montreal Canadiens type of move" for them to trade Barron for a good forward thinking some prospects from their pipeline could replace him only for said prospects to get injured long-term/suck at the NHL level and for Barron to thrive elsewhere.

Ultimately, the Canadiens will need to trade some depth on D for forward help or picks to get said forward help. But that decision is not one Kent Hughes should make this year in my opinion, unless he gets a chance to grab a "can't miss" type of young forward/forward prospect (and those just don't get traded often, so low chance it happens).

I think the right time for a young D trade will probably be in-season next year. Or maybe even Summer 2025.

We'll see what management chooses to do, but I was looking at who might actually get traded and fetch a return that might end up on the top 6 of a good team, and that pretty much meant Barron.

 

[cwede]

trade him to 'peg for his brother

 

[pth2]

While Ghule "can" play the right side, I would have to check if he is as effective in doing so...

You are right with Reinbacher, but don't you think he could benefit from 1y playing in the AHL ?
I don't think the best time to trade Barron is now...

And Barron still being "unproven" to an extent, that says that Ghule would return much more. And we need quality offense upgrade, so this would require a quality payment...

Guhle just now played with Matheson covering the McDavid and McKinnon lines. If he was going to look like a fool on RD, it would already be done.

 

[Faceboner]

We don't like Armia that much...

Maybe it was a non habs poster than which is more confusing at least as a homer you could rationalize it as a fan wanting a first for nothing, maybe it was his mom

 

[pth2]

trade him to 'peg for his brother

Too old and not enough offensive upside.

 

[BLNY]

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

Link?

Maybe it was a non habs poster than which is more confusing at least as a homer you could rationalize it as a fan wanting a first for nothing, maybe it was his mom

No legitimate Habs fan thinks Armia is worth a first. I'm not even sure Slafy, who presents as one, is crazy enough for that.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Honestly could have been the takes from you guys as a fan base is a 50-50 you either hate some players or absolutely love em no matter what

I know there are Canadiens fans who post some ridiculous stuff, but this is an example of making a nonsensical statement to try to make Habs fans look bad. Most Canadiens fans seem to love Michael Pezzetta, but I seriously doubt you'd find a single person expecting to trade him for a 1st-round pick.

 

[Chose]

Guhle just now played with Matheson covering the McDavid and McKinnon lines. If he was going to look like a fool on RD, it would already be done.

I mean, not playing like a fool, and playing his best hockey he can provide are two very different things.

"but I was looking at who might actually get traded and fetch a return that might end up on the top 6 of a good team, and that pretty much meant Barron."

Or Ghule... Or Matheson...

 

[Faceboner]

Link?


No legitimate Habs fan thinks Armia is worth a first. I'm not even sure Slafy, who presents as one, is crazy enough for that.

It was in the actively shopping 4 players thread

 

[pth2]

I know there are Canadiens fans who post some ridiculous stuff, but this is an example of making a nonsensical statement to try to make Habs fans look bad. Most Canadiens fans seem to love Michael Pezzetta, but I seriously doubt you'd find a single person expecting to trade him for a 1st-round pick.

Again, Armia was on waivers. This very season. How could anyone think he's worth anything at all ?
If anyone posted that, it likely was someone mocking Habs fans.

 

[Sendhelplease]

I do think Barron would be a possible target for the Sharks if he were made available. Would something around Bordeleau and a 2nd be appealing for the Habs?

 

[pth2]

I mean, not playing like a fool, and playing his best hockey he can provide are two very different things.

"but I was looking at who might actually get traded and fetch a return that might end up on the top 6 of a good team, and that pretty much meant Barron."

Or Ghule... Or Matheson...

IMO Savard and Matheson have to be kept around so the kids have some kind of role models.

Guhle, to me, is a cornerstone you build around.

Reinbacher has too much of an investment from upper management, and everyone else is green or just not worth that much.

 

[pth2]

I do think Barron would be a possible target for the Sharks if he were made available. Would something around Bordeleau and a 2nd be appealing for the Habs?

Perhaps. I don't know if he has upside for a top-6 role..... I just remember his father and how he never seemed to translate his potential into a top-6 role despite all kinds of talent. Any time he had the puck and speed through the neutral zone, it led to a scoring chance.

 

[cwede]

Until Pelletier plays, that's a risky proposition for Montreal, it would need to be balanced out, but as key components It could work.

Hey, I'm asking. If you think I'm aiming too high, please make a case for someone who'd be more realistic. Well, that's what he was initially as a young Hab, but most of his NHL career was after that so he might well have evolved.

I mean, the guy was on waivers (and cleared). Recently. Anyone expecting much of anything is way out there. Despite some nice play, at this point, I'd be surprised if anyone would claim him given he has next season still at 3.4. Well, some D will be moved before anyone is on waivers, he's played a lot of time on the top-4 already, but Montreal has a surplus of young D so someone's going to get traded. The only current D I could see end up on waivers is Kovasevic, and even then I think someone would offer a pick for him before it got to that.

That could make sense for both teams.

Well, I figure Guhle can play either side, and Reinbacher has a management team that invested heavily in him so they have to believe in him. And Barron, to me, fit into the "proven enough to have value" category without being the cornerstone I see Guhle becoming over the next decade.

We'll see what management chooses to do, but I was looking at who might actually get traded and fetch a return that might end up on the top 6 of a good team, and that pretty much meant Barron.

Guhle just now played with Matheson covering the McDavid and McKinnon lines. If he was going to look like a fool on RD, it would already be done.

Too old and not enough offensive upside.

Again, Armia was on waivers. This very season. How could anyone think he's worth anything at all ?
If anyone posted that, it likely was someone mocking Habs fans.

IMO Savard and Matheson have to be kept around so the kids have some kind of role models. Guhle, to me, is a cornerstone you build around. Reinbacher has too much of an investment from upper management, and everyone else is green or just not worth that much.

please, try to let it go, man
You're OP, you don't own the thread

You gave us a topic, thank you,
Now maybe try to back away and let it ride

 

[pth2]

please, try to let it go, man
You're OP, you don't own the thread

You gave us a topic, thank you,
Now maybe try to back away and let it ride

Sorry your proposal didn't respect the (very broad) criteria in the original post and now you have to complain about something.

Cry harder.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Jets could use more RHD prospect depth, I don't consider Barron a proven NHL player at this early stage. I could see the Jets offering Chaz Lucius, who is still a promising prospect, similar draft position, two years younger then Barron, neither player is a blue chip prospect, both have similar potential (2nd pairing D & 2nd line forward).

Would do this.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Perhaps. I don't know if he has upside for a top-6 role..... I just remember his father and how he never seemed to translate his potential into a top-6 role despite all kinds of talent. Any time he had the puck and speed through the neutral zone, it led to a scoring chance.

Bordeleau has been similar to his father in that regard. He has talent but has been unable to develop his off puck and defensive game but it does not seem like he is skilled enough to play in the top six long term. If he can develop the rest of his game he could be a playmaking third line center. I am not sure if the Sharks have other pieces that would be a good fit for a trade with Barron otherwise, maybe Bystedt?

 

[Hunter368]

I would do that, Barron Bros LTD

That could make sense for both teams.

So your saying not everyone hates Habs players/prospects on the main boards?

See what I did there?

@Gaylord Q Tinkledink

 

[Nevins]

As a Canadian fan, I'm not sure I want to trade him right away. His offensive talent is excellent and he needs to improve on defense. The second is easier to do than the first....It would take a tempting offer and not shady prospects...

 

[Faceboner]

Again, Armia was on waivers. This very season. How could anyone think he's worth anything at all ?
If anyone posted that, it likely was someone mocking Habs fans.

More that I think about it that is most likely the case

 

[jfhabs]

Montreal has a *lot* of young D, including RD Mailloux who is doing well in the AHL and RD Reinbacher who they invested a top 5 draft position in.

Currently, with Savard and Kovacevic doing ok, and Guhle showing the ability to play RD, I wonder if Justin Barron might be available. He's still very raw, but also has high end offensive skills, and has 29 points in his first 84 NHL games. I see his upside as being Petry in his prime, with a floor of the Hainsey/Beaulieu type (offensively gifted but never a solid proposition in his zone).

Montreal is looking at ways to convert their relative richness in D into more skill up front (like the Romanov-Dach series of deals) and yesterday GM Kent Hughes mentionned this kind of deal as being the way forward to add skill to the forward corps.

So, which reasonably skilled forwards might be available for a 6'2 22 year old skilled RD ? I'm assuming Montreal might add spare parts or take some back, I'm not interested in balancing out value so much as who might be obtained (ie, who adds a 2nd rounder is secondary)

Holtz from NJ ?
Greig from Ottawa ?
Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration if he'd been willing to sign in Canada (apparently he wasn't)
Coronato, so Calgary can have some future on D once the UFAs are moved out ?

Let's go off the assumption the main piece has to be from the 2018 draft or later - Montreal is looking for a lateral move for a similar age forward. Deal could take place any time from now until the draft.

I like the Petry comparaison, but not Beaulieu/Hainsey.
Barron has a great shot and relatively good IQ, but he can be soft at times physically and mentally (just like Petry). Sometimes he look like stud, some times he looks like he's playing pond hockey. I think he has a relatively good chance to become what Petry was.

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

Screenshot or this is a lie.

 

[jfhabs]

And he's just as good defensively as Sean Monahan!

When Barron is focused is defensive game is fine, but he sometimes forget he's playing in the NHL. He has the capacity to be good on both ends of the ice, dealing with consistency/concentration issues. Which is true for many players... how much he can stay focused and be consistent will be the difference between 2nd pairing defenseman or 6-7.