Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[ole ole]

Also, they (new mgt, coach) aren't dumb. They understand how to manage assets and how to assess their group based on situation and perspective. I'm almost as puzzled as to why Barron gets so much flak by fans, as I was about Slaf. In what reality do we scream "he's useless", "get rid of him" (paraphrased to make a point) and blame one player ad nauseam, who is sooooo young and inexperienced? This kid shows lots of signs (sorta like Slaf did) of what his potential ceiling is. He's tall and lanky and just turned 22.

He has excellent offensive skills, especially a great first pass. And not a bad shot on the PP when given a chance on the point. 6 goals and 6 assists in around 40 games is nothing to sneeze at. He needs to improve defensively. Especially his coverage down low. But he's not often caught out of position. So I think the IQ is there. Just needs to learn how to contain better.

The odd awkward moment on his skates is par for the course for such a young D man with less than 80 games in the NHL. The one play that everyone lost their mind over a couple weeks ago where he stumbled, he was actually the only man back after I think it was Guhle or Matheson, made a horrible turnover high in the slot.

Speaking of Guhle, I love Guhle, but he hasn't been any better defensively, IMO. Ironically, they were drafted the same year, Barron 9 spots lower. Guhle for sure is the better prospect, no doubt. But this year, Barrons numbers are a touch better both offensively and +/-. FWIW.

Barron is far from the biggest problem on our defense in perspective. He has lots of promising skill which can't be taught. Defense CAN. So I think the harsh criticism is over-the-top and way premature. I hope we don't trade him unless it's an offer way to good to refuse.

You nailed it.

 

[pth2]

Also, they (new mgt, coach) aren't dumb. They understand how to manage assets and how to assess their group based on situation and perspective. I'm almost as puzzled as to why Barron gets so much flak by fans, as I was about Slaf. In what reality do we scream "he's useless", "get rid of him" (paraphrased to make a point) and blame one player ad nauseam, who is sooooo young and inexperienced? This kid shows lots of signs (sorta like Slaf did) of what his potential ceiling is. He's tall and lanky and just turned 22.

He has excellent offensive skills, especially a great first pass. And not a bad shot on the PP when given a chance on the point. 6 goals and 6 assists in around 40 games is nothing to sneeze at. He needs to improve defensively. Especially his coverage down low. But he's not often caught out of position. So I think the IQ is there. Just needs to learn how to contain better.

The odd awkward moment on his skates is par for the course for such a young D man with less than 80 games in the NHL. The one play that everyone lost their mind over a couple weeks ago where he stumbled, he was actually the only man back after I think it was Guhle or Matheson, made a horrible turnover high in the slot.

Speaking of Guhle, I love Guhle, but he hasn't been any better defensively, IMO. Ironically, they were drafted the same year, Barron 9 spots lower. Guhle for sure is the better prospect, no doubt. But this year, Barrons numbers are a touch better both offensively and +/-. FWIW.

Barron is far from the biggest problem on our defense in perspective. He has lots of promising skill which can't be taught. Defense CAN. So I think the harsh criticism is over-the-top and way premature. I hope we don't trade him unless it's an offer way to good to refuse.

The reason Barron is the guy to move is that he should have value, and Mailloux and Reinbacher can take over offensive roles as Savard leaves and Matheson ages.
In no way is trying to move him a slight on his ability... but he should fetch a higher return than Harris or Kovacevic. And Struble and Guhle are on my "do not trade" list.

 

[LesCanadiens]

The reason Barron is the guy to move is that he should have value, and Mailloux and Reinbacher can take over offensive roles as Savard leaves and Matheson ages.
In no way is trying to move him a slight on his ability... but he should fetch a higher return than Harris or Kovacevic. And Struble and Guhle are on my "do not trade" list.

I understand the spirit of this thinking. I personally just don't see it as realistic. Maillioux and Reinbacher are probably not ready for full-time NHL duty until the 2025 season. And Savard is very likely to be traded this year (either at the TDL or during summer, making Barron much more needed).

Basically, we need someone in the RD slot that is on a similar plane as Guhle (age and relatively speaking, potential) that fits our timeline. That age-group we're narrowing for the future. And on top of all that, we're way over-stacked on LD.

My guess is that Harris, Monahan and Savard are the ones being actively shopped. And I would be fine with that personally knowing we'll get likely the highest return on those guys at this very time. Although he's been very good overall, lately, Struble has been showing some cracks unfortunately. It wouldn't be the first time a young player was called up and played out of his mind due to the sugar high, only to come down to earth. But I agree, I wouldn't trade Guhle or Struble. But the difference for me is, I feel similarly regarding Barron. Of course, it all goes out the window if we get a spectacular offer for any of those players.

The only player I would consider 100% untradable at this time, is Slafkovsky. Because I personally feel his ceiling is so intriguing, and considering his size, skating, IQ, passing ability...at this time his ceiling is very, VERY high. I don't see a single other Habs player in that category right now.

So, IMO, the rest are all tradeable if the offer is too good to be true.

 

[pth2]

I understand the spirit of this thinking. I personally just don't see it as realistic. Maillioux and Reinbacher are probably not ready for full-time NHL duty until the 2025 season. And Savard is very likely to be traded this year (either at the TDL or during summer, making Barron much more needed).

Basically, we need someone in the RD slot that is on a similar plane as Guhle (age and relatively speaking, potential) that fits our timeline. That age-group we're narrowing for the future. And on top of all that, we're way over-stacked on LD.

My guess is that Harris, Monahan and Savard are the ones being actively shopped. And I would be fine with that personally knowing we'll get likely the highest return on those guys at this very time. Although he's been very good overall, lately, Struble has been showing some cracks unfortunately. It wouldn't be the first time a young player was called up and played out of his mind due to the sugar high, only to come down to earth. But I agree, I wouldn't trade Guhle or Struble. But the difference for me is, I feel similarly regarding Barron. Of course, it all goes out the window if we get a spectacular offer for any of those players.

The only player I would consider 100% untradable at this time, is Slafkovsky. Because I personally feel his ceiling is so intriguing, and considering his size, skating, IQ, passing ability...at this time his ceiling is very, VERY high. I don't see a single other Habs player in that category right now.

So, IMO, the rest are all tradeable if the offer is too good to be true.

My assumption is Savard and Guhle can be the top 2 RD for the next year; Savard is too important for the kids to move him now. And I'd rather have him as a mentor for Mailloux/Reinbacher, next season.

 

[lawrence]

we will take him and Savard and Monahan in exhange for
2024 1st round pick. Tyler Myers, one of Lekkermaki or Willander, and one of Silovs or Podkolzin.

 

[pth2]

The Athletic's French-speaking beat writer for the Habs apparently suggests using Barron as bad as well, based on similar reasoning to mine: RD is likely to be Guhle, Reinbacher and Mailloux in a couple of seasons... unless Guhle goes back to LD, which is even more saturated right now.

 

[billy piton]

In what world is adding a 6'2 23-year old centre coming off 20-goals in his rookie season in exchange for a defensemen you have a surplus of "not helpful?"

The Canadiens would be thrilled to add Shane Pinto. You're out of your mind.

pinto isn't great fit for the habs, since he is shooting righthanded. we already have suzuki, dach and evans as rh centers on roster with owen beck coming up. you need somebody who can take faceoffs from the left side as well. so lh center for lh dman please, not the other way around.

 

[pth2]

pinto isn't great fit for the habs, since he is shooting righthanded. we already have suzuki, dach and evans as rh centers on roster with owen beck coming up. you need somebody who can take faceoffs from the left side as well. so lh center for lh dman please, not the other way around.

Pinto is radioactive for a couple of seasons, anyhow. No sane GM wants a player who got condemned for anything vaguely gambling- related, he might well screw up again and get suspended for a full season next time. That's actually why I suggested Greig in the OP.

Anyone claiming Pinto isn't damaged goods is just going for pump and dump.

 

[Gaud]

Why not trade mailloux?

I am not against it, personally, but I we are presently thin at RD with Barron, Savard and Kovacevic with the habs, then Reinbacher, Mailloux and Keeper at Laval. I am excited about Mailloux; it sounds like him and Xhekaj are tearing it up together in the AHL.

I have already heard that Reinbacher has a chance to play some games following his season in europe if Mtl trades Savard and in the eventuality that they dont make the playoffs. Personally, I think it is more likely to see and established LD playing RD. I'd be surprised to see Mailloux go but i dont consider him an untouchable; it may just take some convincing to get him out the Habs organization.

 

[HabsAddict]

I am excited about Mailloux; it sounds like him and Xhekaj are tearing it up together in the AHL.
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What's there not to like. Two really big, tough, nasty defenseman working on their offense and defensive awareness.

Even if they land up as bottom pair their other attributes are rare and necessary.

 

[Gaud]

What's there not to like. Two really big, tough, nasty defenseman working on their offense and defensive awareness.

Even if they land up as bottom pair their other attributes are rare and necessary.

Exactly!

I nearly spit out my coffee one day because some expert on RDS was commenting Mailloux being sent to the allstar game and referred to his duo with Xhekaj as a "two-headed monster". I was a little taken aback because i associate that comment with duos like Lemieux and Jagr, Crosby and Malkin, Rantanen and McKinnon, Drai and McJesus.

 

[HabsAddict]

Exactly!

I nearly spit out my coffee one day because some expert on RDS was commenting Mailloux being sent to the allstar game and referred to his duo with Xhekaj as a "two-headed monster". I was a little taken aback because i associate that comment with duos like Lemieux and Jagr, Crosby and Malkin, Rantanen and McKinnon, Drai and McJesus.

Great writeup. Mailman thankes X for making him better.

I've grown tired of losing and doing a lot of deleting but if those two are up, definitely time to watch.

I thought i would be free to see their AHL games but buried in work. Unfortunatly...but hopefully they are up in the big club before I'm done.

Article...

Rocket's Logan Mailloux invited to AHL All-Star Game

The 20-year-old has six goals and 14 assists in 32 AHL games this season.

www.google.ca

 

[Gaud]

Great writeup. Mailman thankes X for making him better.

I've grown tired of losing and doing a lot of deleting but if those two are up, definitely time to watch.

I thought i would be free to see their AHL games but buried in work. Unfortunatly...but hopefully they are up in the big club before I'm done.

Article...

Rocket's Logan Mailloux invited to AHL All-Star Game

The 20-year-old has six goals and 14 assists in 32 AHL games this season.

www.google.ca

RDS plays their games regularily, so maybe record them? Interesting times for me, because the team is starting to look convincing. I think it already was, but Dobes seems to really be adapting now - he was way too agressive at first.

BTW, i never noticed before, but their Playoff format is confusing. 23 teams??

 

[HabsAddict]

RDS plays their games regularily, so maybe record them? Interesting times for me, because the team is starting to look convincing. I think it already was, but Dobes seems to really be adapting now - he was way too agressive at first.

BTW, i never noticed before, but their Playoff format is confusing. 23 teams??

I don't get RDS at the center of the universe.

I was hoping to see them live playing the marlies or even drive out to Belleville...but I'm buried right now till mid March.

 

[Jared Dunn]

we will take him and Savard and Monahan in exhange for
2024 1st round pick. Tyler Myers, one of Lekkermaki or Willander, and one of Silovs or Podkolzin.

Yes sir done no take backs thanks for shopping