Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[TBF1972]

Not trading Barron unless it is an overpay.

dinner for one

 

[jfhabs]

A guy I'd be interested in from Vancouver would be Podkolzin? Are you guys looking for a defenseman of similar caliber? I think Barron is that and could slot nicely next to Soucy or Zadorov.

 

[pth2]

I hope he does turn out to be something special. I have nothing against the kid.

But Sidney Crosby saying good things about a guy he trains with doesn’t seem to warrant a team paying a massive price and to live with the risk that he doesn’t sure up his areas of weakness.

I'm not asking for a premium based on what Crosby thinks, just using that as support for the fact that Barron is far from being waiver fodder.

 

[HabzSauce]

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

No way you saw one single fan say something ridiculous online. You gotta be lying bro!

 

[Jared Dunn]

A guy I'd be interested in from Vancouver would be Podkolzin? Are you guys looking for a defenseman of similar caliber? I think Barron is that and could slot nicely next to Soucy or Zadorov.

He wouldn't push anyone out of Vancouver's top 6 right now, but maybe in the offseason since half their blue line are pending UFA. With Hughes and Hronek there Barron would get zero PP time though so I don't think he's the best fit

 

[dirtydanglez]

now that pinto is singed. pinto for barron

 

[Jared Dunn]

now that pinto is singed. pinto for barron

100 times out of 100 for Montreal which I assume means no from Ottawa lol. Pinto's value is probably at his lowest and he's also Ottawa's best two way centre, I think they're going to make significant moves between now and the start of next season but I think after Brady, Stutzle and Sanderson he might be the least likely to go

 

[jfhabs]

He wouldn't push anyone out of Vancouver's top 6 right now, but maybe in the offseason since half their blue line are pending UFA. With Hughes and Hronek there Barron would get zero PP time though so I don't think he's the best fit

Barron barely plays PP in Montreal either. He has 2G and 1Pass in the last 2 season combined (79 games) on the PP. He's not a PP specialist, more of a 2way D with a very good shot.

I sere they have Mikheyev playing the point on their second unit right now.
I'm not sure how long he's been there, but he has 0G 0P on the PP this year... I know teams are rolling 4F 1D most of time now, but it's not impossible to have 3F 2D...

 

[samsagat]

Barron's a 6'2" 200 pds RHD with good skating and he's good at getting pucks to the net.

He clearly has loads of untapped potential.

The comparison with Petry is a good one, same strength, same weaknesses.

The difference being Petry was in his advanced 30's and still had those weaknesses (being inconsistent, due to mental/confidence issues. He could play like a Norris trophy for a month and then loose confidence and play erratically for a couple of months)..

Barron is barely 22 and have time to correct those things ..

He has what it takes to be a good 2nd pairing defenseman. He's your typical modern defenseman: mobile, big body, can play a complete game when his confidence is good.

Personally I wouldn't trade him since MTL is stacked in LHD, but not that much in RHD.
He already is an NHL defenseman.

His value?

I think a lot of people underestimate him.. and I doubt he gets traded unless for a good young offensive forward.

 

[pth2]

Barron's a 6'2" 200 pds RHD with good skating and he's good at getting pucks to the net.

He clearly has loads of untapped potential.

The comparison with Petry is a good one, same strength, same weaknesses.

The difference being Petry was in his advanced 30's and still had those weaknesses (being inconsistent, due to mental/confidence issues. He could play like a Norris trophy for a month and then loose confidence and play erratically for a couple of months)..

Barron is barely 22 and have time to correct those things ..

He has what it takes to be a good 2nd pairing defenseman. He's your typical modern defenseman: mobile, big body, can play a complete game when his confidence is good.

Personally I wouldn't trade him since MTL is stacked in LHD, but not that much in RHD.
He already is an NHL defenseman.

His value?

I think a lot of people underestimate him.. and I doubt he gets traded unless for a good young offensive forward.

Frankly, I was hoping for better offers than anything mentionned, since I see his potential much as you do. While some fans did offer up attractive assets, there's nothing there I could see Kent Hughes as doing rather than just trying to develop Barron more to move a more mature asset in a year, even if it meant Mailloux and/or Reinbacher spent a bit longer than desired in the AHL, and/or maybe Kovacevic was given away (for a middling pick) since he'd be surplus overall.

 

[HabsAddict]

Frankly, I was hoping for better offers than anything mentionned, since I see his potential much as you do. While some fans did offer up attractive assets, there's nothing there I could see Kent Hughes as doing rather than just trying to develop Barron more to move a more mature asset in a year, even if it meant Mailloux and/or Reinbacher spent a bit longer than desired in the AHL, and/or maybe Kovacevic was given away (for a middling pick) since he'd be surplus overall.

What's "offered" here and what real GM's do is miles apart.

RHD are in short supply and the value will be higher. It's the same thing when comparing centers to wingers. There is always more value in centers even if the stats are the same as wingers.

What we need is value added trades where we trade a good young player and a 2nd to get a higher quality forward. We are going to have a ton of middle 6 so getting more of them is not going to solve anything. Right now after Dach and Suzuki, we have Monahan who may not be there next season, Newhook who may not be more then a 3C, Evans which is a 3C, Dvorak who is a 3C. Beck who is projected as a 3C and then thin air, unless one puts too much hopium in Anderson/Kidney.

In hindsight, we were better off with a center then Reinbacher since now we are trying to trade a RHD that may or may not be surpassed by Reinbacher.

So yes, Pinto is a good target and so is any young center. INCLUDING putting up our next 1st rounder. We don't need to draft another defenseman in a defenseman heavy draft when in a few years we are going to be giving them away.

Or we need to focus on FA even if it's a 28 year old and out of the optimal age range for maturing with the current crop. On the other hand, signing a 9 million 29 year old center makes zero sense for us.

We are in a trap of our own making. Let's see how Hughes earns his money.

 

[pth2]

What we need is value added trades where we trade a good young player and a 2nd to get a higher quality forward.

The issue there is no one here will ever offer a better asset for a package.... mostly because most packages here are built around junk pieces... Just about every fan is hoping to see his/her team leverage depth to get a better player from another team.

 

[HabsAddict]

The issue there is no one here will ever offer a better asset for a package.... mostly because most packages here are built around junk pieces... Just about every fan is hoping to see his/her team leverage depth to get a better player from another team.

"My carpet is worth a lot of money because it's made by elves from unicorn fur in Kolokalakikistan. Your's is just smelly polypoopalyne."

This is a bazaar where "winning" and arguing is "important". It is what it is...

 

[ole ole]

Barron's a 6'2" 200 pds RHD with good skating and he's good at getting pucks to the net.

He clearly has loads of untapped potential.

The comparison with Petry is a good one, same strength, same weaknesses.

The difference being Petry was in his advanced 30's and still had those weaknesses (being inconsistent, due to mental/confidence issues. He could play like a Norris trophy for a month and then loose confidence and play erratically for a couple of months)..

Barron is barely 22 and have time to correct those things ..

He has what it takes to be a good 2nd pairing defenseman. He's your typical modern defenseman: mobile, big body, can play a complete game when his confidence is good.

Personally I wouldn't trade him since MTL is stacked in LHD, but not that much in RHD.
He already is an NHL defenseman.

His value?

I think a lot of people underestimate him.. and I doubt he gets traded unless for a good young offensive forward.

Better be a winger coming back if we move him. Left w preferably. A center does nothing for us. Suzuki, Dach , Newhook, and Beck just getting ready to make the jump. What Center is going to replace them. If Traded we need to invest in a natural winger. Also not just any winger. I want to give Barron more time personally.

 

[ole ole]

What's "offered" here and what real GM's do is miles apart.

RHD are in short supply and the value will be higher. It's the same thing when comparing centers to wingers. There is always more value in centers even if the stats are the same as wingers.

What we need is value added trades where we trade a good young player and a 2nd to get a higher quality forward. We are going to have a ton of middle 6 so getting more of them is not going to solve anything. Right now after Dach and Suzuki, we have Monahan who may not be there next season, Newhook who may not be more then a 3C, Evans which is a 3C, Dvorak who is a 3C. Beck who is projected as a 3C and then thin air, unless one puts too much hopium in Anderson/Kidney.

In hindsight, we were better off with a center then Reinbacher since now we are trying to trade a RHD that may or may not be surpassed by Reinbacher.

So yes, Pinto is a good target and so is any young center. INCLUDING putting up our next 1st rounder. We don't need to draft another defenseman in a defenseman heavy draft when in a few years we are going to be giving them away.

Or we need to focus on FA even if it's a 28 year old and out of the optimal age range for maturing with the current crop. On the other hand, signing a 9 million 29 year old center makes zero sense for us.

We are in a trap of our own making. Let's see how Hughes earns his money.

You want to give Barron and our 1st for a 3rd line center? Because i don't see anyone replacing Suzkuki or Dach so that leaves the 3rd line being available .
I easily keep our 1st and Barron.
It's Wingers we are in need of.

 

[HabsAddict]

Better be a winger coming back if we move him. Left w preferably. A center does nothing for us. Suzuki, Dach , Newhook, and Beck just getting ready to make the jump. What Center is going to replace them. If Traded we need to invest in a natural winger. Also not just any winger. I want to give Barron more time personally.

A center can play wing, rarely does a wing play center.

Besides, Newhook and Beck are not much more potential then 3C until proven otherwise.

 

[Naslundforever]

Barron's a 6'2" 200 pds RHD with good skating and he's good at getting pucks to the net.

He clearly has loads of untapped potential.

The comparison with Petry is a good one, same strength, same weaknesses.

The difference being Petry was in his advanced 30's and still had those weaknesses (being inconsistent, due to mental/confidence issues. He could play like a Norris trophy for a month and then loose confidence and play erratically for a couple of months)..

Barron is barely 22 and have time to correct those things ..

He has what it takes to be a good 2nd pairing defenseman. He's your typical modern defenseman: mobile, big body, can play a complete game when his confidence is good.

Personally I wouldn't trade him since MTL is stacked in LHD, but not that much in RHD.
He already is an NHL defenseman.

His value?

I think a lot of people underestimate him.. and I doubt he gets traded unless for a good young offensive forward.

If this kid can beef up in the off-season and gain confidence in the next 2-3 years he’ll be good for a long time. Jumps into the play real well. Seems legit scared in his zone to me, so yeah confidence changes everything.

 

[HabsAddict]

You want to give Barron and our 1st for a 3rd line center? Because i don't see anyone replacing Suzkuki or Dach so that leaves the 3rd line be avaliable.
I easily keep our 1st and Barron.
It's Wingers we are in need of.

Who said 3rd line center? I want another 1C that can push Suzuki to 2C.

If we were 2 places higher in 2023 draft and got Carlsson/Fantilli, either MAY be better then Suzuki. Also would of given us a more balanced team.

 

[ole ole]

A center can play wing, rarely does a wing play center.

Besides, Newhook and Beck are not much more potential then 3C until proven otherwise.

So we are trading Barron for a 3rd line C when we actually NEED wingers more.
I would want Winger that plays better than PINTO playing any day.
Not a knock on Pinto but look at our Wingers .I don't care if they can play C.
I just want the player that can best play Wing.

Who said 3rd line center? I want another 1C that can push Suzuki to 2C.

If we were 2 places higher in 2023 draft and got Carlsson/Fantilli, either MAY be better then Suzuki. Also would of given us a more balanced team.

So who's gonna give us a top line C for Barron and our 1st and how does acquiring Pinto do that?

 

[HabsAddict]

So we are trading Barron for a 3rd line C when we actually NEED wingers more.
I would want Winger that plays better than PINTO playing any day.
Not a knock on Pinto but look at our Wingers .I don't care if they can play C.
I just want the player that can best play Wing.


So who's gonna give us a top line C for Barron and our 1st and how does acquiring Pinto do that?

I already addressed that straw argument.

I also never said Pinto.

To repeat myself... I'm willing to trade Barron and our first for a high value center that may be BETTER the Suzuki. I value centers far higher then wingers because centers can play wing but rarely the other way around.

Argue against what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

 

[ole ole]

I already addressed that straw argument.

I also never said Pinto.

To repeat myself... I'm willing to trade Barron and our first for a high value center that may be BETTER the Suzuki. I value centers far higher then wingers because centers can play wing but rarely the other way around.

Argue against what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

Again who do you think is willing to trade us a better C than Suzuki for our 1st and Barron. I value Centers also . Top line Centers are hard to come by.
Barron and our 1st is not pulling that in.
As i said we need the best player who can play wing. Normally that isn't a C.
So how is getting Pinto in exchange for Barron good?
How is giving assets for Pinto good when we need Wingers. If we are moving assets for Winger i want the best winger i can get . I don't need him to play C. Pinto is not a need.

Also your quote

[ So yes, Pinto is a good target and so is any young center. ]


I didn't think it .You quoted it.
So next time try to remember what you wrote instead of trying to go off on others.

 

[biturbo19]

A guy I'd be interested in from Vancouver would be Podkolzin? Are you guys looking for a defenseman of similar caliber? I think Barron is that and could slot nicely next to Soucy or Zadorov.

The "value" isn't necessarily out of line. It's the sort of thing that'd be more likely to revisit in the offseason though. Vancouver may have a lot of pieces in flux at that point. I get the sense Podkolzin is going to be counted on as an important piece to backfill the spot of one of the UFA forwards they can't afford to retain next year. But half their defence are also UFAs and some of them are getting older too. So it's possible that becomes more of a pressure point at which point, maybe that kind of swap starts to make sense.

But in the meantime, it doesn't make a lot of sense for the Canucks. Barron would be in the press box, and force them to waive somebody else. Whereas Podkolzin is conveniently stashed away in the minors doing some good work, improving, and offers that extra layer of forward depth should they need it. Without having to fuss with waivers.

I guess Barron could always be buried for the year as well, but i don't see that as a real likelihood. He seems to have more or less arrived as an NHL caliber defenceman. It'd be weird to acquire him only to send him down to the AHL.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I already addressed that straw argument.

I also never said Pinto.

To repeat myself... I'm willing to trade Barron and our first for a high value center that may be BETTER the Suzuki. I value centers far higher then wingers because centers can play wing but rarely the other way around.

Argue against what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

This potential C that you’re after; are you referring to someone in their teens/early 20s?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Again who do you think is willing to trade us a better C than Suzuki for our 1st and Barron. I value Centers also . Top line Centers are hard to come by.
Barron and our 1st is not pulling that in.
As i said we need the best player who can play wing. Normally that isn't a C.
So how is getting Pinto in exchange for Barron good?
How is giving assets for Pinto good when we need Wingers. If we are moving assets for Winger i want the best winger i can get . I don't need him to play C. Pinto is not a need.

Also your quote

[ So yes, Pinto is a good target and so is any young center. ]


I didn't think it .You quoted it.
So next time try to remember what you wrote instead of trying to go off on others.

You aren't getting Pinto for Barron though. Sens have no reason to make that trade.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Another Habs trade proposal that isn't thought through IMO. We're not trading Justin Barron. Especially not for crap.

He's JUST turned 22 (2 months ago), was a recent first rounder, currently has 6 goals and 6 assists in 40 games and is a RD (which we're not overflowing with on the big team). He's had ups and downs, but hey, newsflash...barely 22 year old defensemen with less than 80 NHL games under their belt tend to have ups and downs.

He's still a very young prospect that shows promise. I'd rather keep the young, 22 year old RD prospect that shows promise than trade him for scraps. And so would just about every NHL GM. Especially in our situation. We're rebuilding. So we don't care if he goes through some growing pains.

And PS: He's only making 925K which is up this season. Meaning we should be able to easily sign him for a dirt-cheap bridge deal. Great position for us. Not much to lose and if he develops reasonably well, he will be a steal cap-wise.

Now left D is another story. We will almost 100% be trading at least one LD.