Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[pth2]

Why not trade mailloux?

That could end up being management's decision, I just figured Barron would have more value, would open up more options on the NHL roster whereas Mailloux could just as well be in the AHL next season anyways.

Also, players with baggage are harder to move until they've shown enough on the ice; for that same reason I was asking about Greig rather than Pinto from Ottawa.

All that being said, if someone has a proposal for Mailloux, go ahead !

 

[jfhabs]

Why not trade mailloux?

He's been good at camp and in the AHL.
Better to give him a chance at the NHL level to see what we truly have before exploring a trade.
A defenseman with his size, skating and shot are quite rare if he can play a bit smarter and simplify his game.

 

[Draiskull]

Does he have to clear waivers now to be sent down?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

He's been good at camp and in the AHL.
Better to give him a chance at the NHL level to see what we truly have before exploring a trade.
A defenseman with his size, skating and shot are quite rare if he can play a bit smarter and simplify his game.

Seems counter to Hughes moves of trading FOR highly touted but somewhat struggling young NHLers. Although if there is a player in an equal position, itd just be a wash.

 

[pth2]

Does he have to clear waivers now to be sent down?

No, he's waiver exempt still.... but really, no one trading for him should be thinking of him that way - he's on the line between being top 4 and 3d pairing, but he clearly has the offensive talent to become a top-4, it's a question of player evaluation if he can improve defensively enough to be able to be a top-4 regular.

Besides, I expect a trade would happen at the draft, and I think his waiver exemption will have lapsed by then.

Seems counter to Hughes moves of trading FOR highly touted but somewhat struggling young NHLers. Although if there is a player in an equal position, itd just be a wash.

You're right, it is. But Montreal clearly has too many D and a lack of (talented) NHL forwards, and he's spoken explicitly about rebalancing the roster.

 

[jfhabs]

Seems counter to Hughes moves of trading FOR highly touted but somewhat struggling young NHLers. Although if there is a player in an equal position, itd just be a wash.

At the opposite, he already traded for Dach and Newhook who were struggling in the NHL, but very promising young players.

 

[pth2]

At the opposite, he already traded for Dach and Newhook who were struggling in the NHL, but very promising young players.

That's what he's saying..... that Hughes, to date, has traded FOR forwards similar to Barron, who I'm suggesting might get traded away. I'd disagree with the idea that Barron is struggling, he just is taking a normal developmental period at a position of great strength.

On the other hand, I'd say Romanov for Dach is pretty much the template for what he wants to do in the future.

 

[jfhabs]

That's what he's saying..... that Hughes, to date, has traded FOR forwards similar to Barron, who I'm suggesting might get traded away. I'd disagree with the idea that Barron is struggling, he just is taking a normal developmental period at a position of great strength.

On the other hand, I'd say Romanov for Dach is pretty much the template for what he wants to do in the future.

Ok I probably read that wrong.
Considering we traded Romanov to get Dach, I'd say it was more to trade from a position of strength for a weaker position.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Hey, I'm asking. If you think I'm aiming too high, please make a case for someone who'd be more realistic.


Well, that's what he was initially as a young Hab, but most of his NHL career was after that so he might well have evolved.

There’s a multitude of players who could be available.

Questions are why would they move Barron? Fear of exposure to waivers? Not a good fit? Not good enough to play at the NHL level? It’s hard to answer.

From my teams perspective assuming that the reason is fear of exposure to waivers, it’s reminiscent to the Blues trading Kostin for Dimitri Samurkov. Kostin was an NHLer, but he wasn’t conducive to the way the team wanted him to play. So they shipped him out for Samurkov who had beleive had a year left of not being exposed to waivers at a position they needed more. He was a recent 2nd rounder who hadn’t established himself.

 

[Buffdog]

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[pth2]

There’s a multitude of players who could be available.

Questions are why would they move Barron? Fear of exposure to waivers? Not a good fit? Not good enough to play at the NHL level? It’s hard to answer.

From my teams perspective assuming that the reason is fear of exposure to waivers, it’s reminiscent to the Blues trading Kostin for Dimitri Samurkov. Kostin was an NHLer, but he wasn’t conducive to the way the team wanted him to play. So they shipped him out for Samurkov who had beleive had a year left of not being exposed to waivers at a position they needed more. He was a recent 2nd rounder who hadn’t established himself.

Waivers aren't an issue, a surplus of defensemen needing NHL icetime to develop, combined with a lack of skilled forwards, means a D for F deal makes sense.

I mean, next season Montreal could have Hutson, Mailloux and Reinbacher in the AHL and not face a roster crunch, but I expect at least one of them to make it to the NHL, meaning too many NHL-worthy D, which isn't a criticism over Barron as much as me seeing him as a tradeable commodity - Harris, Struble, Mailloux, all have too little value and are too unproven, while Guhle is essentially untouchable IMO. Right now, Barron is sometimes top-4, sometimes bottom pairing. How he's projected is a matter of opinion, though as I wrote, I see him as being close to Petry-like (and I really liked Petry, in his prime).

 

[Superlative Soup]

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No dark mode is crazy.

 

[Voight]

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

They think half of their players are worth a first.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Why not trade mailloux?

Much, much higher upside, not eligible for waivers for a couple seasons and would likely return something similar

They think half of their players are worth a first.

Thank you so much for your valuable contribution!

 

[Jared Dunn]

No, he's waiver exempt still.... but really, no one trading for him should be thinking of him that way - he's on the line between being top 4 and 3d pairing, but he clearly has the offensive talent to become a top-4, it's a question of player evaluation if he can improve defensively enough to be able to be a top-4 regular.

Besides, I expect a trade would happen at the draft, and I think his waiver exemption will have lapsed by then.

This is WAY too optimistic for where he's currently at, he's played top 4 at times in Montreal because they lack legitimate options especially when Savard was injured. He's a bottom pairing D with potential top 4 upside

 

[BleedBlue14]

This is WAY too optimistic for where he's currently at, he's played top 4 at times in Montreal because they lack legitimate options especially when Savard was injured. He's a bottom pairing D with potential top 4 upside

From the outside, that’s how I viewed him. A guy that you’re pretty sure is an NHLer who passes well but doesn’t defend to a level you’d need from a guy playing a lot harder ice time.

That can be learned sure, but it’s hard to put all of your eggs in a basket for a guy like that because there’s quite a few guys that fall in that category. He doesn’t seem to have any exceptional skills but is an above average passer.

 

[pth2]

From the outside, that’s how I viewed him. A guy that you’re pretty sure is an NHLer who passes well but doesn’t defend to a level you’d need from a guy playing a lot harder ice time.

That can be learned sure, but it’s hard to put all of your eggs in a basket for a guy like that because there’s quite a few guys that fall in that category. He doesn’t seem to have any exceptional skills but is an above average passer.

Sydney Crosby disagrees.

"Sidney Crosby has known so many talented players that he knows them when he sees them. In his eyes, Justin Barron is clearly in that category. In fact, Crosby believes the Colorado Avalanche made a mistake in trading the promising defenseman to the Montreal Canadiens." - TVASports.ca

Letang adds this:

"Upon learning of the trade, Crosby said, 'I never would have done this if I were the Avalanche. This kid here, he's a really good hockey player. He's ready to play in the NHL and he's going to be a good player." - Kris Letang

Sidney Crosby harshly criticizes the trade between the Canadiens and the Avalanche

As you obviously know, the Montreal Canadiens made a major trade with the Avalanche on Monday at the trade deadline.

www.habsfanatics.com

 

[Jared Dunn]

Sydney Crosby disagrees.


Letang adds this:

Sidney Crosby harshly criticizes the trade between the Canadiens and the Avalanche

As you obviously know, the Montreal Canadiens made a major trade with the Avalanche on Monday at the trade deadline.

www.habsfanatics.com

Nothing that's been said disputes anything said here. He's an NHL quality defenceman that has upside, he is not currently on the cusp of being a top 4 D

From the outside, that’s how I viewed him. A guy that you’re pretty sure is an NHLer who passes well but doesn’t defend to a level you’d need from a guy playing a lot harder ice time.

That can be learned sure, but it’s hard to put all of your eggs in a basket for a guy like that because there’s quite a few guys that fall in that category. He doesn’t seem to have any exceptional skills but is an above average passer.

He's got very reachable top 4 upside, he just isn't there yet

 

[dirtydanglez]

Sydney Crosby disagrees.


Letang adds this:

Sidney Crosby harshly criticizes the trade between the Canadiens and the Avalanche

As you obviously know, the Montreal Canadiens made a major trade with the Avalanche on Monday at the trade deadline.

www.habsfanatics.com

they are friends and practice together in the offseason. it's the nova scotia connection. i wouldn't read too much into that. clearly the avs would do that trade again 10 times out of 10.

 

[Intangir]

From the outside, that’s how I viewed him. A guy that you’re pretty sure is an NHLer who passes well but doesn’t defend to a level you’d need from a guy playing a lot harder ice time.

That can be learned sure, but it’s hard to put all of your eggs in a basket for a guy like that because there’s quite a few guys that fall in that category. He doesn’t seem to have any exceptional skills but is an above average passer.

In general you're right, but Barron has a couple other "+" skills to go alongside his passing ability. Though nothing truly elite mind you.

One of the things that jump out at you when you watch Barron play is how good at holding the blueline, skating with possession along the line while under pressure he is. Then there's also the fact that Barron's ability to find/create a lane to shoot from the point is also very, very good, as evidenced by his 6 goals in 36 games this year despite limited minutes on the powerplay, an anemic offensive team, and not too many minutes overall.

Defensively is where he will need to improve most if he wants to be a true #3-4, as you've said.

In any case, the top 4 upside is definitely there in Barron's case, and seems reachable for him as others in this thread have said, but until he puts it all together it remains just that; potential.

All of which to say that though Barron tracks to be a good puck-possession defender with interesting offensive qualities to his game, he is also not developed enough right now to warrant a team investing massively in acquiring him.

Inversely, he also seems well-liked in Montreal, showing nice progression as a young just-turned 22 years-old defender in the NHL with some interesting upside to boot, so there's really no reason to trade him unless Hughes gets what he'd consider an overpayment for him.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why not trade mailloux?

I think the lesser of Mailloux / Barron will get traded and as early as next season.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They think half of their players are worth a first.

Armia is worth nothing. And won't return much this season anyway. But a players worth has NOTHING to do with trade value. It is what GM's (many who are clueless) think of a player which is why Charoot et al returned so much.

 

[Rob Sense]

We should have learned our lesson when we traded McDonough and Sergachev. Barron is like 20 years old and developing...do you harvest potatoes in june?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not trading Barron unless it is an overpay.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Sydney Crosby disagrees.


Letang adds this:

Sidney Crosby harshly criticizes the trade between the Canadiens and the Avalanche

As you obviously know, the Montreal Canadiens made a major trade with the Avalanche on Monday at the trade deadline.

www.habsfanatics.com

I hope he does turn out to be something special. I have nothing against the kid.

But Sidney Crosby saying good things about a guy he trains with doesn’t seem to warrant a team paying a massive price and to live with the risk that he doesn’t sure up his areas of weakness.