Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[Ezpz]

I don't see the need to move Barron yet. Mailloux needs at least another year in the AHL to polish his defensive warts. Reinbacher also likely takes a lesser role next year in the NHL or a huge one in Laval.

I think it's more likely kovacevic or Savard are moved out. Barron will be if Hutson adapts well and barrons defensive game stays trash. Barron is just a better version of Mailloux right now though Mailloux's offensive upside is much higher. Barron seems to have a Patrice Brisebois kind of upside, which no offense, is not a winning style. He is very young though.

We have so many defensively responsible guys in Guhle, Savard, kovacevic, struble, Harris, and Xhekaj when he's focused. I can't imagine they move out Barron as the only real PMD behind Matheson. Especially without seeing his full potential when they've got vets to sell.

I also don't see Barron even getting a fair value forward back, as he's been playing a top four role for much of the season but I doubt many teams would offer a top six forward.

Objectively speaking, a person being used in a comparable role and production would be holtz, Lafreniere, kaliyev, or this years version of Cozens or Zegras. Obviously none of these teams would be seeking Barron as a return for these guys.

Even kakko who is doing horribly would probably want a different return. Rangers d is pretty set. Barron plays more minutes than Schneider but they're not exactly looking to replace their RD.

 

[Benstheman]

Ws w/upside as possible fit:
Rights to Lauri Pajuniemi, 6', 196lbs righty shot RW, 24, 2018 5th rnd 132OA
elite prospects info:

Lauri Pajuniemi - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

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Paj can be brought in immediately for cup o coffee tryout

and also long term
Noah Laba, righty shot C, 6'2", 192, 2022, 4th rnd 111OA
Noah Laba at eliteprospects.com

plus NYR 2024 4th

for

Barron + MON + SJS 2024 5ths

If nec b'c Habs show zero cap, can add a small salary to get it close
(e.g., Wheeler for immediate use, or do you want like Belzille back?)

something like that...

Barron for Kakko

 

[Chose]

Barron for Kakko

That's actually not a bad proposal !

 

[Captain Mountain]

That logjam was exactly why I was asking about the risk of his being exposed to waivers. Right now, he's an okay D-man. He could be overtaken by the other D-men listed in the OP.

Barron was a healthy scratch last game and in general is not knocking it out of the park right now. The OP lists 5 players who will play over him on the RD or will soon need playing time, on one of the worst teams in the league. Barron is waiver eligible starting next season. I'm trying to gague his actual value right now based on that. His value is obviously lower if other teams, in a move that often is suggested on these boards by certain posters, can just wait until next season and pick him up on the cheap.

Do you think bring up Cutter Gauthier seem like a reasonable ask even if he would sign in Canada? I don't view that as a serious ask.

I don't know what expectations you'd have for Barron, but personally I don't see any issue with his performance given he's one of the youngest D-men who has played regular minutes in the NHL, the team he's on and the role he plays. If he was "knocking it out of the park right now", it would be a league-wide story.

OP listed RD that: is actually rumoured to actually be available now (or at least from now to next seasons TDL (Savard), a more veteran depth guy that has been healthy scratched more than Barron (Kovacevic), a guy who has played only a few games at RD this season (Guhle) and two D prospects that are a ways away from making the NHL (Mailloux, Reinbacher).

The reasonable interpretation of the OP is that Montreal has a lot of RD, they think Montreal would move Barron if in a trade (which they explicitly said wouldn't necessarily be one for one) for x, y or z caliber prospect/young guys. Not Montreal has a lot of RD, would they waive Barron next season and they're trying to get something for him now. Whatever you think of the validity of that appraisal is up to you, but the waiver thing is out of left field.

Plus, Montreal's carried 3 goalies the entire season because they don't want to lose Cayden Primeau on waivers and have reportedly be willing to do that for not just this season, but next as well. Of course they're not going to waive one of the, like, 13 D-men under the age of 23 who have played 50+ NHL games already.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

That's actually not a bad proposal !

for Montreal its an easy yes but i doubt NYR does it

 

[bernmeister]

Barron for Kakko

thnx no Kakko worth more
better present producer, has mo upside

 

[Chose]

thnx no Kakko worth more
better present producer, has mo upside

Kakko is 4 points in 22 games this season (5th season), Barron is 12 in 38 (2nd season?)
The better present producer is Barron, playing on a more valuable position.
But yeah, Kakko has more upside.

This sounds like a trade Hugues would be looking at.

 

[Faceboner]

Ok, even on mtl threads i havent seen that.

Every fan would know his team better than a fan from another team; it make sense that they would defend their players when they perceived that they were being injustly evaluated? They are no different than other fans who know their team but dont know the other team's players as well. Maybe habs are just more numerous, more interested in talking hockey and more passionate.

Some of us actually look for precedence, stats, comparisons, etc - using sites liek capfriedly, sportlogiq, reviewing theAthletic and other publications in the hockey world.

I've seen as many trades where mtl fans over evaluated than trades where they were right. How many times did i see "Toffoli will never get a 1st"? About as many as i saw mtl fan comments that Edmunson would net a 1st. Lekhonen and Chiarot got even MORE than the majority of habs fans were expecting.

How many times do i see fans say "getting X player will require your team to fork over (insert team's best bluechip prospect)" ? Those bluechip players almost NEVER get included. How many peeps though Karlsson was a friggin cap dump?He got way more than people thought. Chychrun got way less than people expected. I was personally floored when Burns got traded, thinking e woudl get way more. It's not tied in to one fanbase; it is just disproportionnate.

That's fair and after skimming back through I will admit that I was wrong and most likely scrolled to fast and blurred two separate posts together

 

[jfhabs]

Ok, even on mtl threads i havent seen that.

Every fan would know his team better than a fan from another team; it make sense that they would defend their players when they perceived that they were being injustly evaluated? They are no different than other fans who know their team but dont know the other team's players as well. Maybe habs are just more numerous, more interested in talking hockey and more passionate.

Some of us actually look for precedence, stats, comparisons, etc - using sites liek capfriedly, sportlogiq, reviewing theAthletic and other publications in the hockey world.

I've seen as many trades where mtl fans over evaluated than trades where they were right. How many times did i see "Toffoli will never get a 1st"? About as many as i saw mtl fan comments that Edmunson would net a 1st. Lekhonen and Chiarot got even MORE than the majority of habs fans were expecting.

How many times do i see fans say "getting X player will require your team to fork over (insert team's best bluechip prospect)" ? Those bluechip players almost NEVER get included. How many peeps though Karlsson was a friggin cap dump?He got way more than people thought. Chychrun got way less than people expected. I was personally floored when Burns got traded, thinking e woudl get way more. It's not tied in to one fanbase; it is just disproportionnate.

TBF with Edmundson, most of the fan base was saying that before the long term back injuries plagued him. His play in his final season with us wasn't good at all compared to what it has been playing alongside Petry. Considering we still got a 3rd for him, it's a super extrapolation to say a late 1st with retention at the deadline.

I think Chiarot was surfing on his success playing along side Weber making it to the SCF. But other fan bases were saying we'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him and we got a 1st + a decent prospect who was probably worth a 2nd, so that's quite laughably wrong.

People on HF generally overvalue the value of late 1st round selection. Past 25 you rarely have a regular NHLer, and extremely rarely get an important contributor (top6 F or top4 D).

 

[bernmeister]

Kakko is 4 points in 22 games this season (5th season), Barron is 12 in 38 (2nd season?)
The better present producer is Barron, playing on a more valuable position.
But yeah, Kakko has more upside.

This sounds like a trade Hugues would be looking at.

Kakko has proven himself as a member of kid line.
They relocated LaF w'o replacing, Chytil got hurt, KK got hurt.

We think Chytil is coming back later this season.
At that pt, Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko is what we want to see
Think that can give us 3 full lines.

Yes, Barron commands commensurate to his potential and projected development, and end of the day, yes, he COULD be the better player.
But that is not the correct valuation now.

Due to not listening to bern, we did too many rentals and are thin on available higher end F prospects. So it is what it is.

OP wanted something now, and something w/upside
I offered a package.
Let's see what the best realistic offers are, and chat in coupla days

peace out

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Would that have been Armia's wife saying he was worth a 1st? I don't see anyone expecting the Habs to get a 1st-round pick for Armia.

Someone here said Cutter Gauthier was a maybe so anything is possible

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Barron for Gauthier???? Are the Habs adding their 1st??

 

[Horvat1C]

Hoglander?

 

[doomscroll]

Kakko is 4 points in 22 games this season (5th season), Barron is 12 in 38 (2nd season?)
The better present producer is Barron, playing on a more valuable position.
But yeah, Kakko has more upside.

This sounds like a trade Hugues would be looking at.

Kakko is the Rangers’ best defensive forward, and RD isn’t a need for the Rangers unless Trouba is moved somehow.

 

[Chose]

Kakko has proven himself as a member of kid line.
They relocated LaF w'o replacing, Chytil got hurt, KK got hurt.

We think Chytil is coming back later this season.
At that pt, Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko is what we want to see
Think that can give us 3 full lines.

Yes, Barron commands commensurate to his potential and projected development, and end of the day, yes, he COULD be the better player.
But that is not the correct valuation now.

Due to not listening to bern, we did too many rentals and are thin on available higher end F prospects. So it is what it is.

OP wanted something now, and something w/upside
I offered a package.
Let's see what the best realistic offers are, and chat in coupla days

peace out

OP was looking at a lateral move, ie 1vs1, not a package of 4th/5th rounders.
He wouldn't be dealt for that.

Kakko is the Rangers’ best defensive forward, and RD isn’t a need for the Rangers unless Trouba is moved somehow.

I was going by the assumption that it was a need, as Bern was looking at him.

 

[doomscroll]

I was going by the assumption that it was a need, as Bern was looking at him.

Bern has a lot of interesting ideas as to what the Rangers’ needs are.

 

[Benstheman]

Kakko has proven himself as a member of kid line.
They relocated LaF w'o replacing, Chytil got hurt, KK got hurt.

We think Chytil is coming back later this season.
At that pt, Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko is what we want to see
Think that can give us 3 full lines.

Yes, Barron commands commensurate to his potential and projected development, and end of the day, yes, he COULD be the better player.
But that is not the correct valuation now.

Due to not listening to bern, we did too many rentals and are thin on available higher end F prospects. So it is what it is.

OP wanted something now, and something w/upside
I offered a package.
Let's see what the best realistic offers are, and chat in coupla days

peace out

Anderson for Kakko then

 

[pth2]

Hoglander?

I'm not seeing the upside there, and he's too Gallagher/Harvey-Pinard like (ie, Montreal has too many smallish forwards already)

 

[Benstheman]

Kakko is 4 points in 22 games this season (5th season), Barron is 12 in 38 (2nd season?)
The better present producer is Barron, playing on a more valuable position.
But yeah, Kakko has more upside.

This sounds like a trade Hugues would be looking at.

To be fair. If NYR really needed a offense first RHD, Habs would need to add a pick or an actual roster player to Barron.

But noway i give a 1st on top of Barron. I wouldn't add more than a 2nd to it.

 

[CanMerc]

While it’s a fun idea for Wpg to trade for him and have both Barron bros, he really doesn’t fill a need. In fact he would add to a problem.

We currently have several similarly tiered and skilled dmen we don’t have room for.

I actually see very little diff between him and Declan Chisholm, I’d rate Barron higher obv, but both rd similar age build and both have some offence. I’d rate him lower than Ville Heinola, but ville is an LD.

We currently have

Stanley
Chisholm
Heinola
Salomonsson

It’s like we need to move 2 of Stanley/Chisholm/Schmidt before we even think of adding Barron and I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on what we have. Not sure the appetite to even move Schmidt - although it would be good from a cap perspective this year and next.

I kinda feel we would be over paying with Chaz, why not use that asset on a need?

Edit: I’m not saying Barron isn’t worth Chaz - seems fair In A vacuum. I’m just saying for Wpg is the bump up from Chisholm or Ville worth Chaz. Not sure.

Aside from Salomonsson, all those are LHD… Jets are seriously lacking at RHD

 

[Chose]

To be fair. If NYR really needed a offense first RHD, Habs would need to add a pick or an actual roster player to Barron.

But noway i give a 1st on top of Barron. I wouldn't add more than a 2nd to it.

I was ready to add too.
But looks like they don't need one...

 

[pth2]

To be fair. If NYR really needed a offense first RHD, Habs would need to add a pick or an actual roster player to Barron.

But noway i give a 1st on top of Barron. I wouldn't add more than a 2nd to it.

Why should Montreal add ? Barron is younger, more productive and plays the more valuable position. Kakko has possibly more upside, but that doesn't cancel out the rest, at this point, not to the point MTL should have to add a significant piece...

 

[Chose]

Why should Montreal add ? Barron is younger, more productive and plays the more valuable position. Kakko has possibly more upside, but that doesn't cancel out the rest, at this point, not to the point MTL should have to add a significant piece...

They are both 22, and Kakko had 40 points last season... (ie: More NHL proven)
I am not ready to add more than a 2nd either (same as @Benstheman)

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Aside from Salomonsson, all those are LHD… Jets are seriously lacking at RHD

Oh yeah - you are right.

I think I got mixed up on Chisholm
As the few games he’s played this year on the jets have been on the right side - and he looked really good.

 

[CanMerc]

Oh yeah - you are right.

I think I got mixed up on Chisholm
As the few games he’s played this year on the jets have been on the right side - and he looked really good.

I think Barron would be a good add in WPG