Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[pth2]

Some ONE. Now ONE = A whole fan base.

Plus.... it was actually an Oiler fan trolling Faceboner who'd made some kind of incoherent post involving a first and Campbell.

Thank heavens for the ignore button.

 

[ole ole]

@OP, the RHD is still pretty weak, and even though Mailloux & Reinbacher will probably replace Barron at some point, I don't think we are there yet.

Our surplus is more in LHD, where it is very crowded.

Shouldn't management aim at cashing in on a young established LHD ?
I know this will not be popular, but Ghule has a strong value now that he is proven. Similar to the romanov trade. It is hard to trade an unproven Hutson or Engstrom while they haven't proven success in the NHL, but it is way easier to trade an estasblished successful player.

Ghule would be returning more than Romanov, so we could be talking about a real return, something like Zegras. All while still having Matheson, Hutson, Strubble, Engstrom, Xhekaj to build a decent/good left side of defense within 2 years...

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[ole ole]

please, try to let it go, man
You're OP, you don't own the thread

You gave us a topic, thank you,
Now maybe try to back away and let it ride

Than maybe posters should stay on the topic. Barron.

 

[ole ole]

Habs won't trade for another undersized forward, we need to get bigger not smaller

as a base i'd do something around Holtz (RW is a big need for us), we could add a sweetener to balance it out

This would make sense for us but not for the Devils as they have already explain why.

 

[vokiel]

Pelletier for Barron? Straight up?

I'd do this eyes wide shut.

 

[Romang67]

Are you thinking before writing your posts on this board? Honest question since you seems clueless most of the time.

Given that my recent postings outside of HFJets have been about the Chicago Bears and Sean Monahan, I can only assume you're talking about my posts on Monahan. I take it you didn't appreciate that the numbers didn't agree with the perception of Monahan as this defensively responsible playoff asset. Can't help you with that.

In this case, Barron is a D-man who, based on the fact that he's a healthy scratch, doesn't seem to play at a level where he's considered a consistent top 6 D-man on the 8th worst team in the league which isn't exactly exploding with D talent. He's waiver eligible starting next season.

 

[pth2]

Given that my recent postings outside of HFJets have been about the Chicago Bears and Sean Monahan, I can only assume you're talking about my posts on Monahan. I take it you didn't appreciate that the numbers didn't agree with the perception of Monahan as this defensively responsible playoff asset. Can't help you with that.

In this case, Barron is a D-man who, based on the fact that he's a healthy scratch, doesn't seem to play at a level where he's considered a consistent top 6 D-man on the 8th worst team in the league which isn't exactly exploding with D talent. He's waiver eligible starting next season.

A young guy playing a position when his team is deepest gets scratched a couple of games and you see it as meaning he's waiver-fodder. Wow.

 

[Romang67]

A young guy playing a position when his team is deepest gets scratched a couple of games and you see it as meaning he's waiver-fodder. Wow.

No, I asked if he was viewed as a full-time D-man next season because he's about to be waiver eligible. If he's at risk at going through waivers, his value would obviously be quite a bit lower than the regular value for a recent RHD who was picked in the first round.

Not everything is an attack on Habs players. In the OP, you spell out why he might not have a clear and obvious spot on the roster next season. I'm expanding on that.

 

[Jared Dunn]

In this case, Barron is a D-man who, based on the fact that he's a healthy scratch, doesn't seem to play at a level where he's considered a consistent top 6 D-man on the 8th worst team in the league which isn't exactly exploding with D talent. He's waiver eligible starting next season.

This is a little bit of a misinterpretation of the Habs problem though, they have depth everywhere except centre but they severely lack high end talent. The issue is not that Barron or any of the other D that are getting scratched aren't NHL calibre it's that Montreal has like 5 decent to good bottom pairing D right now and not a single legit top pair guy. I am not super high on him but he's an NHL D

 

[Captain Mountain]

No, I asked if he was viewed as a full-time D-man next season because he's about to be waiver eligible. If he's at risk at going through waivers, his value would obviously be quite a bit lower than the regular value for a recent RHD who was picked in the first round.

Not everything is an attack on Habs players. In the OP, you spell out why he might not have a clear and obvious spot on the roster next season. I'm expanding on that.

The only reason he'd be a risk to go through waivers is if he takes a step back and a few other guys take massive leaps forward. That seems unlikely, but not impossible.

I wont speak for others and have no idea what other topics are being alluded to in this thread, but I suspect the reaction to your posts is less "not everything is an attack on Habs players" and more based on what seems like a clear unfamiliarity with the Canadiens coupled with some assumptions that come out of left field. For instance, I don't see why you're reading that the OP's post spells "out why [Barron] might not have a clear and obvious spot on the roster next season", instead of someone wondering what kind of young forward he could get in return. Not to comment on trade value in any manner whatsoever, you really think that someone alluding to Grieg, Holtz and ****ing Cutter Gauthier as a trade target was spelling out that Barron might not have a roster spot?

 

[Captain Mountain]

This is a little bit of a misinterpretation of the Habs problem though, they have depth everywhere except centre but they severely lack high end talent. The issue is not that Barron or any of the other D that are getting scratched aren't NHL calibre it's that Montreal has like 5 decent to good bottom pairing D right now and not a single legit top pair guy. I am not super high on him but he's an NHL D

Montreal has prospect depth everywhere, they lack high-end talent and, specifically at the NHL level, forward talent. That's partially due to injuries and by design as they're in a rebuild though. Its not as though its a secret as to who Montreal is more willing to trade on D though, and its note Barron.

 

[Michoulicious]

Jets could use more RHD prospect depth, I don't consider Barron a proven NHL player at this early stage. I could see the Jets offering Chaz Lucius, who is still a promising prospect, similar draft position, two years younger then Barron, neither player is a blue chip prospect, both have similar potential (2nd pairing D & 2nd line forward).

I'd do that too.

And then as a bonus Jets get two brothers on the same line-up!

 

[Jared Dunn]

Montreal has prospect depth everywhere, they lack high-end talent and, specifically at the NHL level, forward talent. That's partially due to injuries and by design as they're in a rebuild though. Its not as though its a secret as to who Montreal is more willing to trade on D though, and its note Barron.

That's sorta exactly what I'm saying, although I'd say prospect depth at centre is pretty weak. Past Beck who projects as a good third liner there's not a lot there. think I'd sooner move Barron than a guy like Kovacevic as I don't think either is a long-term factor but there's a pretty big value difference.

 

[pth2]

That's sorta exactly what I'm saying, although I'd say prospect depth at centre is pretty weak. Past Beck who projects as a good third liner there's not a lot there. think I'd sooner move Barron than a guy like Kovacevic as I don't think either is a long-term factor but there's a pretty big value difference.

That was my reasoning as well. A 3d round pick for Kovacevic, maybe a 2nd for Harris if a team really likes him, these moves aren't going to lead to a package for any kind of high-end talent. The guys who haven't skated in the NHL yet also are unlikely to have great value, other than Reinbacher who should be untouchable...
You have to give to get, and I think Barron might be movable while returning noteworthy talent up front.

Oskar Olausson from Colorado for Barron

I don't think so. I'd do it for Ritchie, though.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That's sorta exactly what I'm saying, although I'd say prospect depth at centre is pretty weak. Past Beck who projects as a good third liner there's not a lot there. think I'd sooner move Barron than a guy like Kovacevic as I don't think either is a long-term factor but there's a pretty big value difference.

Which is fine, but Montreal isn't going to get that talent in a Barron trade, nor are people going to get a good read on what his value may be because the two things that fans on these boards are truly awful at are appraising draft picks and non-blue chip prospects/young NHLers that aren't big names.

And Montreal has Suzuki (24), Dach, who they see as a center (23), Beck, plus other B/C level prospects. The depth isn't bad, the upside is. They're also mid-way through a rebuild, they aren't itching to make a trade like that.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Which is fine, but Montreal isn't going to get that talent in a Barron trade, nor are people going to get a good read on what his value may be because the two things that fans on these boards are truly awful at are appraising draft picks and non-blue chip prospects/young NHLers that aren't big names.

And Montreal has Suzuki (24), Dach, who they see as a center (23), Beck, plus other B/C level prospects. The depth isn't bad, the upside is. They're also mid-way through a rebuild, they aren't itching to make a trade like that.

I'd argue centre depth is still not a strength, it's not a glaring weakness but they're certainly not oozing. I generally don't think trading Barron in a 1 for 1 deal yields much but he's someone I would like to see packaged for a higher upside forward

 

[rahad]

And he's just as good defensively as Sean Monahan!

Are you going to post about Sean Monahan on every single Habs thread?

 

[Perratrooper]

That was my reasoning as well. A 3d round pick for Kovacevic, maybe a 2nd for Harris if a team really likes him, these moves aren't going to lead to a package for any kind of high-end talent. The guys who haven't skated in the NHL yet also are unlikely to have great value, other than Reinbacher who should be untouchable...
You have to give to get, and I think Barron might be movable while returning noteworthy talent up front.


I don't think so. I'd do it for Ritchie, though.

Sure just throw in your 2024 first and we’ve got a deal

 

[Romang67]

This is a little bit of a misinterpretation of the Habs problem though, they have depth everywhere except centre but they severely lack high end talent. The issue is not that Barron or any of the other D that are getting scratched aren't NHL calibre it's that Montreal has like 5 decent to good bottom pairing D right now and not a single legit top pair guy. I am not super high on him but he's an NHL D

That logjam was exactly why I was asking about the risk of his being exposed to waivers. Right now, he's an okay D-man. He could be overtaken by the other D-men listed in the OP.

The only reason he'd be a risk to go through waivers is if he takes a step back and a few other guys take massive leaps forward. That seems unlikely, but not impossible.

I wont speak for others and have no idea what other topics are being alluded to in this thread, but I suspect the reaction to your posts is less "not everything is an attack on Habs players" and more based on what seems like a clear unfamiliarity with the Canadiens coupled with some assumptions that come out of left field. For instance, I don't see why you're reading that the OP's post spells "out why [Barron] might not have a clear and obvious spot on the roster next season", instead of someone wondering what kind of young forward he could get in return. Not to comment on trade value in any manner whatsoever, you really think that someone alluding to Grieg, Holtz and ****ing Cutter Gauthier as a trade target was spelling out that Barron might not have a roster spot?

Barron was a healthy scratch last game and in general is not knocking it out of the park right now. The OP lists 5 players who will play over him on the RD or will soon need playing time, on one of the worst teams in the league. Barron is waiver eligible starting next season. I'm trying to gague his actual value right now based on that. His value is obviously lower if other teams, in a move that often is suggested on these boards by certain posters, can just wait until next season and pick him up on the cheap.

Do you think bring up Cutter Gauthier seem like a reasonable ask even if he would sign in Canada? I don't view that as a serious ask.

 

[habsfan44]

Well, I don't consider moving him for a top-6 forward to be giving up on him.... moving him for a random pick for no good reason, or a far-off prospect, would be giving up.

For example, I don't consider that management gave up on Romanov.

That being said, I know this thread is premature and any such move would take place this summer (with Savard not having been moved, Reinbacher doing well early on in the AHL, Mailloux still progressing, Guhle having played more games as a RD, etc.)

Romanov was a case of trading from a strength to address a weakness . Right defense isn't a strength for Montreal , trading a right shot defenseman for a forward when our depth chart is Barron , Reinbacher , Mailloux , Konyushkov and not much else makes no sense unless management has given up on him .

 

[bernmeister]

Ws w/upside as possible fit:
Rights to Lauri Pajuniemi, 6', 196lbs righty shot RW, 24, 2018 5th rnd 132OA
elite prospects info:

Lauri Pajuniemi - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lauri Pajuniemi, 1999-09-12 Tampere, FIN Finland. Most recently in the NL with Lausanne HC. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Paj can be brought in immediately for cup o coffee tryout

and also long term
Noah Laba, righty shot C, 6'2", 192, 2022, 4th rnd 111OA
Noah Laba at eliteprospects.com

plus NYR 2024 4th

for

Barron + MON + SJS 2024 5ths

If nec b'c Habs show zero cap, can add a small salary to get it close
(e.g., Wheeler for immediate use, or do you want like Belzille back?)

something like that...

 

[pth2]

Romanov was a case of trading from a strength to address a weakness . Right defense isn't a strength for Montreal , trading a right shot defenseman for a forward when our depth chart is Barron , Reinbacher , Mailloux , Konyushkov and not much else makes no sense unless management has given up on him .

Guhle has shown he can play the right side, Mailloux and Reinbacher are looking good, and for the immediate future Savard and Kovasevic are getting the job done. Both Harris and Struble have shown they can get by there, too. So, while I wouldn't say RD is a huge position of strength, it's looking good enough to risk making a deal to get high-end talent up front, if it's available.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Chaz Lucius was the only reasonable offer in here.

The rest were utter garbage offers! lol

 

[pth2]

Ws w/upside as possible fit:
Rights to Lauri Pajuniemi, 6', 196lbs righty shot RW, 24, 2018 5th rnd 132OA
elite prospects info:

Lauri Pajuniemi - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lauri Pajuniemi, 1999-09-12 Tampere, FIN Finland. Most recently in the NL with Lausanne HC. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Paj can be brought in immediately for cup o coffee tryout

and also long term
Noah Laba, righty shot C, 6'2", 192, 2022, 4th rnd 111OA
Noah Laba at eliteprospects.com

plus NYR 2024 4th

for

Barron + MON + SJS 2024 5ths

If nec b'c Habs show zero cap, can add a small salary to get it close
(e.g., Wheeler for immediate use, or do you want like Belzille back?)

something like that...

Not sure the upside is there on either of those guys.
Cap isn't an issue for Montreal right now.

Sure just throw in your 2024 first and we’ve got a deal

Well, Barron and Ritchie are rated similarly in THN's rating of youngish players.... so I'm not sure how you could justify a massive add (legit worth more than either Barron or Ritchie) on either side of the deal.

Chaz Lucius was the only reasonable offer in here.

The rest were utter garbage offers! lol

In fairness, Devils fans were classy about Holtz, explaining how value was there but there wasn't a fit for them.

EDIT: Kudos as well to the Sharks fan who suggested Bystedt, who isn't chopped liver either.

 

[Nevins]

Ws w/upside as possible fit:
Rights to Lauri Pajuniemi, 6', 196lbs righty shot RW, 24, 2018 5th rnd 132OA
elite prospects info:

Lauri Pajuniemi - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lauri Pajuniemi, 1999-09-12 Tampere, FIN Finland. Most recently in the NL with Lausanne HC. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Paj can be brought in immediately for cup o coffee tryout

and also long term
Noah Laba, righty shot C, 6'2", 192, 2022, 4th rnd 111OA
Noah Laba at eliteprospects.com

plus NYR 2024 4th

for

Barron + MON + SJS 2024 5ths

If nec b'c Habs show zero cap, can add a small salary to get it close
(e.g., Wheeler for immediate use, or do you want like Belzille back?)

something like that...

Lol…nope