Value of: Justin Barron for a F

pth2

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I think Barron would be a good add in WPG
The problem is that he isn't an add as much as a switch: Winnipeg needs to give up something of value for him. Lucius ? McGroarty? Lambert ? I don't know who Winnipeg might give up or who ends up adding, but the point for Montreal is to sell a position of strength to bolster a thin forward corps.
 

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That's fair and after skimming back through I will admit that I was wrong and most likely scrolled to fast and blurred two separate posts together
That's fair. Now back to the topic.
Like to hold on to Barron as he's 22 and D-man are well known to take longer to develop .If traded i would try to involve him in a bigger deal .
Right offer comes along than i hope we would listen .
 

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The problem is that he isn't an add as much as a switch: Winnipeg needs to give up something of value for him. Lucius ? McGroarty? Lambert ? I don't know who Winnipeg might give up or who ends up adding, but the point for Montreal is to sell a position of strength to bolster a thin forward corps.
You must be high if you think he has enough value to return McGroarty, even Lambert is a stretch. Almost as crazy as saying he might have returned Cutter Gauthier.
 

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You must be high if you think he has enough value to return McGroarty, even Lambert is a stretch. Almost as crazy as saying he might have returned Cutter Gauthier.
My point was simply that this isn't just adding something to Winnipeg, it's also being willing to give something up.
 

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Barron for Kakko
I think the Rangers would refuse unless we sweetened the pot.
Kakko isn't what we should be looking for. We are in need of a L Wing player.
That's is our greatest need next to a [ what some would say ] a star C. They just don't drop off in your lap so concentrate on a L Winger.
What L W could we get for him? or Barron + as we do have please to give but any LW out their. [Young is a must. ]
 

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I don't know what expectations you'd have for Barron, but personally I don't see any issue with his performance given he's one of the youngest D-men who has played regular minutes in the NHL, the team he's on and the role he plays. If he was "knocking it out of the park right now", it would be a league-wide story.

OP listed RD that: is actually rumoured to actually be available now (or at least from now to next seasons TDL (Savard), a more veteran depth guy that has been healthy scratched more than Barron (Kovacevic), a guy who has played only a few games at RD this season (Guhle) and two D prospects that are a ways away from making the NHL (Mailloux, Reinbacher).

The reasonable interpretation of the OP is that Montreal has a lot of RD, they think Montreal would move Barron if in a trade (which they explicitly said wouldn't necessarily be one for one) for x, y or z caliber prospect/young guys. Not Montreal has a lot of RD, would they waive Barron next season and they're trying to get something for him now. Whatever you think of the validity of that appraisal is up to you, but the waiver thing is out of left field.

Plus, Montreal's carried 3 goalies the entire season because they don't want to lose Cayden Primeau on waivers and have reportedly be willing to do that for not just this season, but next as well. Of course they're not going to waive one of the, like, 13 D-men under the age of 23 who have played 50+ NHL games already.
Fair enough. I asked because his numbers were mediocre so far and the OP sounded like he risked being overtaken by other RD on Montreal's roster.
 

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Guhle has shown he can play the right side, Mailloux and Reinbacher are looking good, and for the immediate future Savard and Kovasevic are getting the job done. Both Harris and Struble have shown they can get by there, too. So, while I wouldn't say RD is a huge position of strength, it's looking good enough to risk making a deal to get high-end talent up front, if it's available.
The perceived need for high end talent up front doesn't justify trading one of our very few legitimate right defense prospects at this point in the rebuild .
 

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After reading other team's trade offers, and assuming GMs are in the same mindset, the obvious path is to hold onto Barron and continue to develop him.

The only fanbase to offer anything reasonable or enticing are the Jets fans. Which is kinda shocking. ;)
 
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The perceived need for high end talent up front doesn't justify trading one of our very few legitimate right defense prospects at this point in the rebuild .
Well, I'm thinking that by the draft, we'll know if either of Reinbacher or Mailloux is likely to be pushing for NHL icetime next season.
 

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Well, I'm thinking that by the draft, we'll know if either of Reinbacher or Mailloux is likely to be pushing for NHL icetime next season.
Both need another year before they can be NHL ready. For Reinbacher, preferably in the AHL. I would like to see Hutson, Rein and Mailloux in Laval next year.
 
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After reading other team's trade offers, and assuming GMs are in the same mindset, the obvious path is to hold onto Barron and continue to develop him.

The only fanbase to offer anything reasonable or enticing are the Jets fans. Which is kinda shocking. ;)
Well, Kakko as well came up in various articles about the kind of players Hughes might go after when he will start moving D for help up front.
 

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Montreal has a *lot* of young D, including RD Mailloux who is doing well in the AHL and RD Reinbacher who they invested a top 5 draft position in.

Currently, with Savard and Kovacevic doing ok, and Guhle showing the ability to play RD, I wonder if Justin Barron might be available. He's still very raw, but also has high end offensive skills, and has 29 points in his first 84 NHL games. I see his upside as being Petry in his prime, with a floor of the Hainsey/Beaulieu type (offensively gifted but never a solid proposition in his zone).

Montreal is looking at ways to convert their relative richness in D into more skill up front (like the Romanov-Dach series of deals) and yesterday GM Kent Hughes mentionned this kind of deal as being the way forward to add skill to the forward corps.

So, which reasonably skilled forwards might be available for a 6'2 22 year old skilled RD ? I'm assuming Montreal might add spare parts or take some back, I'm not interested in balancing out value so much as who might be obtained (ie, who adds a 2nd rounder is secondary)

Holtz from NJ ?
Greig from Ottawa ?
Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration if he'd been willing to sign in Canada (apparently he wasn't)
Coronato, so Calgary can have some future on D once the UFAs are moved out ?

Let's go off the assumption the main piece has to be from the 2018 draft or later - Montreal is looking for a lateral move for a similar age forward. Deal could take place any time from now until the draft.
gauthier? Coronato? greig?

Are you back to day drinking again?
 
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gauthier? Coronato? greig?

Are you back to day drinking again?
Whoa whoa whoa. That’s quite the accusation!

To be “back to” something implies he’s stopped, and I personally have seen no evidence of that being the case, nor would I accuse pth2 of being sober.

Shame on you.
 

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rd is a need for depth and additionally, but not at cost of KK, agreed


um, no
no need to downgrade at F like that
I see Kakko lined up on the 1st line and his most common linemates are Zibanejad and Kreider.
How is he producing so little?

I like Kakko, but the result haven't been there for him to have value anywhere close to his draft selection at this point. Not sure Barron is the answer for you guys, but a change of scenery swap for a similar type situation might not be bad for the Rangers while he still has decent value.
Seems to me like a guy like Cuylle could quickly overtake him on the depth chart.
 

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I see Kakko lined up on the 1st line and his most common linemates are Zibanejad and Kreider.
How is he producing so little?

I like Kakko, but the result haven't been there for him to have value anywhere close to his draft selection at this point. Not sure Barron is the answer for you guys, but a change of scenery swap for a similar type situation might not be bad for the Rangers while he still has decent value.
Seems to me like a guy like Cuylle could quickly overtake him on the depth chart.
Kakko started the season on a line with Kreider and Zibanejad, then was moved to Bonino and Cuylle’s line after ~11 game to kickstart Wheeler and Zibanejad. Since coming back from injury he’s been with Kreider and Zibanejad again. The offensive results aren’t there yet, but the Rangers are 17-4-1 with Kakko, and his defensive game is very well developed for his age. A change of scenery doesn’t really make sense since they’re a better team with him in the lineup, and he’s not being buried by other options.

Barron definitely isn’t the answer for the Rangers, they already have Schneider on the third pairing at RD. If they’re adding a defenseman, it would probably be a spare LD for the playoffs.
 

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Kakko started the season on a line with Kreider and Zibanejad, then was moved to Bonino and Cuylle’s line after ~11 game to kickstart Wheeler and Zibanejad. Since coming back from injury he’s been with Kreider and Zibanejad again. The offensive results aren’t there yet, but the Rangers are 17-4-1 with Kakko, and his defensive game is very well developed for his age. A change of scenery doesn’t really make sense since they’re a better team with him in the lineup, and he’s not being buried by other options.

Barron definitely isn’t the answer for the Rangers, they already have Schneider on the third pairing at RD. If they’re adding a defenseman, it would probably be a spare LD for the playoffs.
A trade doesn't need to be immediate to be discussed.... I'd actually expect a Barron trade, if it were to happen, to occur at the draft. Any chance Rangers' needs would have evolved by then ?
 
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A trade doesn't need to be immediate to be discussed.... I'd actually expect a Barron trade, if it were to happen, to occur at the draft. Any chance Rangers' needs would have evolved by then ?
It depends on the Chytil situation, and whether or not they choose to extend Lindgren long-term. Either way, the Rangers’ lack of RW depth this season and next makes a Kakko trade unlikely. Moving him just opens another hole in the lineup, and his possession play is sorely needed as it is. Things may change with Perreault’s arrival, but that would be close to two years from now at the very least.

As for Barron; Fox is signed long-term, Schneider is expected to be bridged, and Trouba is the captain and has a contract that is probably unmovable. There just isn’t any room or need for him any time soon.
 

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Kakko started the season on a line with Kreider and Zibanejad, then was moved to Bonino and Cuylle’s line after ~11 game to kickstart Wheeler and Zibanejad. Since coming back from injury he’s been with Kreider and Zibanejad again. The offensive results aren’t there yet, but the Rangers are 17-4-1 with Kakko, and his defensive game is very well developed for his age. A change of scenery doesn’t really make sense since they’re a better team with him in the lineup, and he’s not being buried by other options.

Barron definitely isn’t the answer for the Rangers, they already have Schneider on the third pairing at RD. If they’re adding a defenseman, it would probably be a spare LD for the playoffs.
Yeah, not sure about Barron for the Rangers either, he probably has more value to us or other teams.
Dallas paid you guys a late 1st for a similar defenseman last off season!

Back to Kakko, considering is value, I would think the Rangers might/should consider moving him for an upgrade right now. Don't think their window is going to get better with their 3 best forwards getting older (Zib, Panarin and Kreider). Don't think their youngers guys will become as good either. Don't think the Habs have that player, but probably something to consider for the Rangers.

It depends on the Chytil situation, and whether or not they choose to extend Lindgren long-term. Either way, the Rangers’ lack of RW depth this season and next makes a Kakko trade unlikely. Moving him just opens another hole in the lineup, and his possession play is sorely needed as it is. Things may change with Perreault’s arrival, but that would be close to two years from now at the very least.

As for Barron; Fox is signed long-term, Schneider is expected to be bridged, and Trouba is the captain and has a contract that is probably unmovable. There just isn’t any room or need for him any time soon.
I know this is the Barron thread, but we actually have a lot more depth at LHD if that's a better fit!
 

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Yeah, not sure about Barron for the Rangers either, he probably has more value to us or other teams.
Dallas paid you guys a late 1st for a similar defenseman last off season!

Back to Kakko, considering is value, I would think the Rangers might/should consider moving him for an upgrade right now. Don't think their window is going to get better with their 3 best forwards getting older (Zib, Panarin and Kreider). Don't think their youngers guys will become as good either. Don't think the Habs have that player, but probably something to consider for the Rangers.


I know this is the Barron thread, but we actually have a lot more depth at LHD if that's a better fit!
If the Rangers choose to replace Lindgren, they’ll need a top-four LHD who can pair with Fox or Trouba. Matheson is the only guy who really fits the bill rom the Habs, but he wouldn’t get any PP time on the Rangers which would pretty much negate a large part of his value. I like Jordan Harris as a 3LD option, but unless the Habs are looking for futures or a Wing prospect, the Rangers don’t have much to offer for him.
 
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I see Kakko lined up on the 1st line and his most common linemates are Zibanejad and Kreider.
How is he producing so little?

I like Kakko, but the result haven't been there for him to have value anywhere close to his draft selection at this point. Not sure Barron is the answer for you guys, but a change of scenery swap for a similar type situation might not be bad for the Rangers while he still has decent value.
Seems to me like a guy like Cuylle could quickly overtake him on the depth chart.
fair ?
Answer is patience

Chemistry is a big deal until you develop enuf ability to work w/anyone, but that level is rare.
KK has been injured so lots of rust this yr
Last yr kid line was all about getting LaF going, which is finally happening as per bern, his skating become commensurate to NHL par

This yr focus is bread to play smarter.

As to Kreid - Zib, they are productive but inconsistent.
Dif ops say keep and
- add correct RW
- acc correct C [Zib to RW]
- break up

KK on that line has obv +x and -s.

I am with those calling for
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
which on paper projects to work
do not want to give up on KK upside

but thanks for inquiry

over the w'e I expect mo time to post a thread w/multideal Rs blueprint

may still be able to offer reasonable consensus for JB then


peace out for coupla days


ps -- I said hold out, Kreider would emerge and he did
KK wont take as long
but as noted, chemistry can make a dif esp early in the career
 

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If the Rangers choose to replace Lindgren, they’ll need a top-four LHD who can pair with Fox or Trouba. Matheson is the only guy who really fits the bill rom the Habs, but he wouldn’t get any PP time on the Rangers which would pretty much negate a large part of his value. I like Jordan Harris as a 3LD option, but unless the Habs are looking for futures or a Wing prospect, the Rangers don’t have much to offer for him.
Yeah, Matheson is probably too good to not use on the PK. You'd get outbid if that's not your intention and/or how you value him.

Jordan Harris is good, but he probably need a D partner that can help him break the cycle deep in his zone. Like Trouba or Schneider would be ideal partners for him.

Harris has number 4 upside in the right situation. He rarely makes bad play with the puck on his stick and is a great skater.

Winger prospect with size and decent middle 6 upside could make it happen imo.
 
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