How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

[blue stick]

Well Dubas is gone, so next lamb up.

 

[ZEBROA]

We need a great goalie one top defensive D and the 60g Matthews back. So not so good...

 

[centipede2233]

We need a great goalie one top defensive D and the 60g Matthews back. So not so good...

I don’t think 60g matthews comes back. Here is a list of the greatest goal scorers the last 40 yrs and when they had their best goal season at their respective age.

Ovechkin 65 goals 21 yrs old
Crosby 51 goals 22 yrs old
P.Kane 46 goals 26 yrs old
Stamkos 60 goals 21 yrs old
Malkin 50 goals 25 yrs old
C.Perry 50 goals 25 yrs old
Iginla 52 goals 24 yrs old
Bure 60 goals 22 yrs old
Brett hull 86 goals 26 yrs old
Jagr 62 goals 23 yrs old
gretzky 92 goals 20 yrs old
Lemieux 85 goals 22 yrs old
Sakic 51 goals 26 yrs old
Heatley 50 goals 25 yrs old

not one of these great goal scorers beat their personal best goal scoring season past the age of 26. Matthews turns 26 this September. Is matthews going to be the “one” guy to defy history and put up a better season then his hart season? Chances are probably not.

 

[Leafblooded]

BOOOOO.

 

[ZEBROA]

I don’t think 60g matthews comes back. Here is a list of the greatest goal scorers the last 40 yrs and when they had their best goal season at their respective age.

Ovechkin 65 goals 21 yrs old
Crosby 51 goals 22 yrs old
P.Kane 46 goals 26 yrs old
Stamkos 60 goals 21 yrs old
Malkin 50 goals 25 yrs old
C.Perry 50 goals 25 yrs old
Iginla 52 goals 24 yrs old
Bure 60 goals 22 yrs old
Brett hull 86 goals 26 yrs old
Jagr 62 goals 23 yrs old
gretzky 92 goals 20 yrs old
Lemieux 85 goals 22 yrs old
Sakic 51 goals 26 yrs old
Heatley 50 goals 25 yrs old

not one of these great goal scorers beat their personal best goal scoring season past the age of 26. Matthews turns 26 this September. Is matthews going to be the “one” guy to defy history and put up a better season then his hart season? Chances are probably not.

He need to be better then this year in the playoffs. 1g a game at least.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

What happened to it all being Tanenbaum's fault?

It's all his fault too.

And Kyle Dubas', Sheldon Keefe's, the players, the stick boys.

But especially us fans for supporting them all these years.

 

[Havoc]

Turmoil wtf lol.

Our top guys guarantee playoffs are clinched by December and we're in turmoil?

 

[Ciao]

It will be a very interesting year, to say the least.

Dubas is gone, which should please the Dubas-haters.

Shanahan and Treliving sem inclined to keep Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander anyway, which was one of the main complaints about Dubas. See how that works out.

There will be constant comparisons between everything to do with Pittsburgh and everything to do with Toronto. An instant rivalry, which should be intriguing.

Any player or personnel moves by Pittsburgh involving former Leafs or Leafs' staff will draw massive scrutiny.

Heaven forbid there should be any trades between Pittsburgh and Toronto. The Earth would move.

Even if Dubas does not acquire any former Leafs, that too will draw interest and comment.

And finally, hopefully, the Leafs could win the Stanley Cup, which would top everything.

Much to look forward to!

 

[thewave]

I don’t think 60g matthews comes back. Here is a list of the greatest goal scorers the last 40 yrs and when they had their best goal season at their respective age.

Ovechkin 65 goals 21 yrs old
Crosby 51 goals 22 yrs old
P.Kane 46 goals 26 yrs old
Stamkos 60 goals 21 yrs old
Malkin 50 goals 25 yrs old
C.Perry 50 goals 25 yrs old
Iginla 52 goals 24 yrs old
Bure 60 goals 22 yrs old
Brett hull 86 goals 26 yrs old
Jagr 62 goals 23 yrs old
gretzky 92 goals 20 yrs old
Lemieux 85 goals 22 yrs old
Sakic 51 goals 26 yrs old
Heatley 50 goals 25 yrs old

not one of these great goal scorers beat their personal best goal scoring season past the age of 26. Matthews turns 26 this September. Is matthews going to be the “one” guy to defy history and put up a better season then his hart season? Chances are probably not.

And this is the kind of counter arguments a good GM uses when making contracts. You could technically say, well Matthews, you should have taken the 8 year deal because it is now statistically improbable that you beat 60goals. We paid you max money for the term you wanted and now your wrist is in question, you likely won't repeat what you did that season and going forward the next half your contract is in decline. That in addition you're coming off a very pedestrian season.

Deal with it. 12.8x8 take it or leave it.

 

[centipede2233]

And this is the kind of counter arguments a good GM uses when making contracts. You could technically say, well Matthews, you should have taken the 8 year deal because it is now statistically improbable that you beat 60goals. We paid you max money for the term you wanted and now your wrist is in question, you likely won't repeat what you did that season and going forward the next half your contract is in decline. That in addition you're coming off a very pedestrian season.

Deal with it. 12.8x8 take it or leave it.

Definately my line of thinking as well.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I kinda feel like the year we go on a run will be the year where people don't expect much from us.

Kind of like Washington did a few years ago. When the pressure to win was off of them....they won.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

And this is the kind of counter arguments a good GM uses when making contracts. You could technically say, well Matthews, you should have taken the 8 year deal because it is now statistically improbable that you beat 60goals. We paid you max money for the term you wanted and now your wrist is in question, you likely won't repeat what you did that season and going forward the next half your contract is in decline. That in addition you're coming off a very pedestrian season.

Deal with it. 12.8x8 take it or leave it.

Why the raise at all?

 

[thewave]

Why the raise at all?

Good faith and optics. Thats just my opinion though. They arent needed id we are being honest

 

[hockeywiz542]

SIMMONS: Extending Sheldon Keefe's contract now would be short-sighted for Leafs

Would a trade of head coaches with the Pittsburgh Penguins make sense.

torontosun.com

There are all kinds of whispers around the Leafs right now, about what players might have said in exit interviews or conversations since then. There are some, who have doubted the Leafs leadership and wondered about Keefe’s in-game decision-making and have questioned the manner in which Toronto players are spoiled by team management. Some are saying the Leafs lose far too easily and without enough accountability. The strength and weakness of Dubas as GM was making his players overly comfortable. Sometimes the boss has to be the boss. Dubas wanted to be everyone’s friend … A voice from the outside wonders: Will Treliving have the wherewithal to strip John Tavares as captain if need be and transfer the ‘C’ to Morgan Rielly? Leadership remains an issue that Treliving will have to deal with in Toronto ….

 

[MCR74]

And this is the kind of counter arguments a good GM uses when making contracts. You could technically say, well Matthews, you should have taken the 8 year deal because it is now statistically improbable that you beat 60goals. We paid you max money for the term you wanted and now your wrist is in question, you likely won't repeat what you did that season and going forward the next half your contract is in decline. That in addition you're coming off a very pedestrian season.

Deal with it. 12.8x8 take it or leave it.

lf his wrist is nowhere near returning to form, l wouldn't offer 8 years.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Pro Dubas Poll is the turmoil that defines my day.

 

[sxvnert]

Ask this question on July 2nd.

 

[mjd1001]

I don’t think 60g matthews comes back. Here is a list of the greatest goal scorers the last 40 yrs and when they had their best goal season at their respective age.

Ovechkin 65 goals 21 yrs old
Crosby 51 goals 22 yrs old
P.Kane 46 goals 26 yrs old
Stamkos 60 goals 21 yrs old
Malkin 50 goals 25 yrs old
C.Perry 50 goals 25 yrs old
Iginla 52 goals 24 yrs old
Bure 60 goals 22 yrs old
Brett hull 86 goals 26 yrs old
Jagr 62 goals 23 yrs old
gretzky 92 goals 20 yrs old
Lemieux 85 goals 22 yrs old
Sakic 51 goals 26 yrs old
Heatley 50 goals 25 yrs old

not one of these great goal scorers beat their personal best goal scoring season past the age of 26. Matthews turns 26 this September. Is matthews going to be the “one” guy to defy history and put up a better season then his hart season? Chances are probably not.

This has been mostly true going back even to the early 80's....
Gilbert Perrault had his best season overall at age 25. Gretzky was 21 or 22 when he got over 90. Mogilny was 23 or 24 when he tallied 76. Marcel Dionne was 27 his best year. Brett hull had his amazing 3 scoring years between 25-27....so on and so on.

There are 2 key things to keep in mind. Scoring in the NHL has been going up year after year for a long time. Does that continue? if so, statistically his best season may be still coming.

The other thing is, when you are talking about legit superstars....top 10 or top 5 players in the league..its not always about their 'peak' years...but rather they stay at their peak longer. A 'very good' forward may hit his peak in his early to mid 20's, and by the time he is 30 is clearly on the downward slope. Most superstarts, however, stay close to their peak for longer. IF Matthews never eclipses 60 again..he still might be a 50+ goal scorer for most years to come until he close to 30.

 

[Racer88]

Turmoil wtf lol.

Our top guys guarantee playoffs are clinched by December and we're in turmoil?

We kind of are in turmoil if we want to go further in the playoff but if we are satisfied like our players with just making the playoffs then ya everything is fine

 

[BallardEra]

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[TMLBlueandWhite]

I no longer have any confidence in the players, coach, management, or ownership.

In 2017 I was excited.

The team took massive leaps in one year. The future looked bright. The new young core having an immediate positive impact.

What I didn't expect, not in a million years, not in a billion years, not even in a million billion years, was for all these guys to turn into such spoiled, selfish sucks.

Rielly wants to see the core kept together. Well why didn't they play like they wanted to stay together? They knew what was on the line.

Hockey is their job.

When you suck at your job you typically don't have a say in whether you get to keep it. They just come across as a bunch of privileged millionaires expecting to do so. If they wanted to keep playing together they should have all signed long term deals.

Instead of just grabbing the cash.

It all starts at the top:

Greedy owners.
Greedy management.
Greedy players.

A bunch of greedy clowns, clueless idiots, and media manipulating blowhards.

Managing a team of softies too afraid to go into the corners to make a play.

 

[Nineteen67]

I no longer have any confidence in the players, coach, management, or ownership.

In 2017 I was excited.

The team took massive leaps in one year. The future looked bright. The new young core having an immediate positive impact.

What I didn't expect, not in a million years, not in a billion years, not even in a million billion years, was for all these guys to turn into such spoiled, selfish sucks.

Rielly wants to see the core kept together. Well why didn't they play like they wanted to stay together? They knew what was on the line.

Hockey is their job.

When you suck at your job you typically don't have a say in whether you get to keep it. They just come across as a bunch of privileged millionaires expecting to do so. If they wanted to keep playing together they should have all signed long term deals.

Instead of just grabbing the cash.

It all starts at the top:

Greedy owners.
Greedy management.
Greedy players.

A bunch of greedy clowns, clueless idiots, and media manipulating blowhards.

Managing a team of softies too afraid to go into the corners to make a play.

Management set the direction when they abandoned the rebuild by signing JT. At that point they wanted to a be a show and we’re not serious about winning.

The players followed suit.

 

[Stamkos4life]

I don’t think 60g matthews comes back. Here is a list of the greatest goal scorers the last 40 yrs and when they had their best goal season at their respective age.

Ovechkin 65 goals 21 yrs old
Crosby 51 goals 22 yrs old
P.Kane 46 goals 26 yrs old
Stamkos 60 goals 21 yrs old
Malkin 50 goals 25 yrs old
C.Perry 50 goals 25 yrs old
Iginla 52 goals 24 yrs old
Bure 60 goals 22 yrs old
Brett hull 86 goals 26 yrs old
Jagr 62 goals 23 yrs old
gretzky 92 goals 20 yrs old
Lemieux 85 goals 22 yrs old
Sakic 51 goals 26 yrs old
Heatley 50 goals 25 yrs old

not one of these great goal scorers beat their personal best goal scoring season past the age of 26. Matthews turns 26 this September. Is matthews going to be the “one” guy to defy history and put up a better season then his hart season? Chances are probably not.

Thanks for compiling this information!

I'm a little surprised how many players have their peak goal scoring season before th age of 23. Gretzky with 92 goals at 20 yo is insane! But I suppose after that injuries start adding up? I know that's how it worked for me personally and I wasnt a pro nhler.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I no longer have any confidence in the players, coach, management, or ownership.

In 2017 I was excited.

The team took massive leaps in one year. The future looked bright. The new young core having an immediate positive impact.

What I didn't expect, not in a million years, not in a billion years, not even in a million billion years, was for all these guys to turn into such spoiled, selfish sucks.

Rielly wants to see the core kept together. Well why didn't they play like they wanted to stay together? They knew what was on the line.

Hockey is their job.

When you suck at your job you typically don't have a say in whether you get to keep it. They just come across as a bunch of privileged millionaires expecting to do so. If they wanted to keep playing together they should have all signed long term deals.

Instead of just grabbing the cash.

It all starts at the top:

Greedy owners.
Greedy management.
Greedy players.

A bunch of greedy clowns, clueless idiots, and media manipulating blowhards.

Managing a team of softies too afraid to go into the corners to make a play.

Preach!

 

[ToneDog]

I no longer have any confidence in the players, coach, management, or ownership.

In 2017 I was excited.

The team took massive leaps in one year. The future looked bright. The new young core having an immediate positive impact.

What I didn't expect, not in a million years, not in a billion years, not even in a million billion years, was for all these guys to turn into such spoiled, selfish sucks.

Rielly wants to see the core kept together. Well why didn't they play like they wanted to stay together? They knew what was on the line.

Hockey is their job.

When you suck at your job you typically don't have a say in whether you get to keep it. They just come across as a bunch of privileged millionaires expecting to do so. If they wanted to keep playing together they should have all signed long term deals.

Instead of just grabbing the cash.

It all starts at the top:

Greedy owners.
Greedy management.
Greedy players.

A bunch of greedy clowns, clueless idiots, and media manipulating blowhards.

Managing a team of softies too afraid to go into the corners to make a play.

When Matty scored the goal in game #6 against Washington in 2017, this guy was going to win us a cup finally. Went out and bought a Matthews jersey and 6 years later considering burning it if he walks as a UFA. LOL.