How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

  • With Dubas gone, in great shape to compete for the Cup next year!

    Votes: 14 5.1%
  • It’s a bit of a mess at the moment, but we’re well positioned for the future.

    Votes: 49 17.8%
  • We have some positive assets, but I’m concerned about how the off season is going.

    Votes: 36 13.1%
  • Things are in turmoil, reserving judgment until we see how the summer plays out.

    Votes: 95 34.5%
  • We’ve had our peak with the core and the next few years will be bumpy but we have an outside shot.

    Votes: 34 12.4%
  • Losing Dubas was a disaster and we’ve gone from a contender to a steaming hot mess.

    Votes: 19 6.9%
  • We’re never winning a cup in my lifetime anyway, so who cares?

    Votes: 28 10.2%

  • Total voters
    275

usernamezrhardtodo

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When Matty scored the goal in game #6 against Washington in 2017, this guy was going to win us a cup finally. Went out and bought a Matthews jersey and 6 years later considering burning it if he walks as a UFA. LOL.
He was amazing in the first series he played in...was pretty good against Boston the 1st time and then something broke in him after losing the first game 7 against Boston. I am not sure what happened or how to fix it...but something broke.
 
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authentic

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I don’t think 60g matthews comes back. Here is a list of the greatest goal scorers the last 40 yrs and when they had their best goal season at their respective age.

Ovechkin 65 goals 21 yrs old
Crosby 51 goals 22 yrs old
P.Kane 46 goals 26 yrs old
Stamkos 60 goals 21 yrs old
Malkin 50 goals 25 yrs old
C.Perry 50 goals 25 yrs old
Iginla 52 goals 24 yrs old
Bure 60 goals 22 yrs old
Brett hull 86 goals 26 yrs old
Jagr 62 goals 23 yrs old
gretzky 92 goals 20 yrs old
Lemieux 85 goals 22 yrs old
Sakic 51 goals 26 yrs old
Heatley 50 goals 25 yrs old

not one of these great goal scorers beat their personal best goal scoring season past the age of 26. Matthews turns 26 this September. Is matthews going to be the “one” guy to defy history and put up a better season then his hart season? Chances are probably not.

Sakic scored 54 goals when he was 31, also in a much lower scoring season than the one he scored 51 in, then consider the upward scoring trend now and I don't think your "one" guy to defy history theory holds water. Not to mention Lemieux at 27 scored 69 goals in 60 games, and had the best adjusted even strength point scoring rate of all-time. Bottom line is you don't have a clue whether or not Matthews will score 60 again, and certainly not based on your faulty little exercise here.
 

ITM

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This is all Shanahan's fault.

Most organizations hire smart executives. The Leafs instead hired the dumb one. Who then got scared the smart employee he hired would take his job. So Shanahan fired Lou and replaced him with a snakeoil salesman con artist.

Who then tried to take Shanahan's job anyway.

Shanahan was the one who replaced Lou with Dubas. Who then proceeded to make franchise crippling decisions, one after the other. A once in a lifetime opportunity.

Pissed away by Kyle Dubas.

Can't blame just Dubas when Shanahan was the one that hired him and kept him around all this time. At this point, someone more than just Kyle Dubas needs to be held accountable for Kyle Dubas sucking at his job so bad for so long. Like the old saying goes, you don't blame the employee not competent at his job.

You blame the jerk that hired him.

That's Shanahan.
And which jerk do you praise for firing him?
 

authentic

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He was amazing in the first series he played in...was pretty good against Boston the 1st time and then something broke in him after losing the first game 7 against Boston. I am not sure what happened or how to fix it...but something broke.

Just completely ignoring the 2 series against Tampa eh :laugh:
 
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fahad203

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Management set the direction when they abandoned the rebuild by signing JT. At that point they wanted to a be a show and we’re not serious about winning.

The players followed suit.


Management set the standard when you are up 3-1 on a series against your bitter rival and manage to blow it. Only to come back with the same coaches

Vegas would have fired Keefe to the moon if they had a let down like that

But what does Vegas know about winning

I heard if Vegas changes coaches that much nobody would want to go there. Yet a former finalist in Cassidy did

Let's keep Keefe for few more years, why not
 
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centipede2233

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Sakic scored 54 goals when he was 31, also in a much lower scoring season than the one he scored 51 in, then consider the upward scoring trend now and I don't think your "one" guy to defy history theory holds water. Not to mention Lemieux at 27 scored 69 goals in 60 games, and had the best adjusted even strength point scoring rate of all-time. Bottom line is you don't have a clue whether or not Matthews will score 60 again, and certainly not based on your faulty little exercise here.
I missed the sakic one so thanks for the correction. However it’s still damning evidence that players have their most goals in a season at 26 yrs or younger. As far as lemieux’s 69 in 60, I wasn’t doing gpg, it was a total goals in a season excercise and you missed the purpose of this excercise. But I guess you 3:1 post to like ratio knows better then my 1:1 post to like ratio.
 

myleafs

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It will be a very interesting year, to say the least.

Dubas is gone, which should please the Dubas-haters.

Shanahan and Treliving sem inclined to keep Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander anyway, which was one of the main complaints about Dubas. See how that works out.

There will be constant comparisons between everything to do with Pittsburgh and everything to do with Toronto. An instant rivalry, which should be intriguing.

Any player or personnel moves by Pittsburgh involving former Leafs or Leafs' staff will draw massive scrutiny.

Heaven forbid there should be any trades between Pittsburgh and Toronto. The Earth would move.

Even if Dubas does not acquire any former Leafs, that too will draw interest and comment.

And finally, hopefully, the Leafs could win the Stanley Cup, which would top everything.

Much to look forward to!
Somehow I dont see Pitts and Toronto making any deals any time soon

When Matty scored the goal in game #6 against Washington in 2017, this guy was going to win us a cup finally. Went out and bought a Matthews jersey and 6 years later considering burning it if he walks as a UFA. LOL.
Those first couple years of the core 3 were pretty special and fun to watch. They were just happy to be there and had nothing to lose.
 

myleafs

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Sakic scored 54 goals when he was 31, also in a much lower scoring season than the one he scored 51 in, then consider the upward scoring trend now and I don't think your "one" guy to defy history theory holds water. Not to mention Lemieux at 27 scored 69 goals in 60 games, and had the best adjusted even strength point scoring rate of all-time. Bottom line is you don't have a clue whether or not Matthews will score 60 again, and certainly not based on your faulty little exercise here.
Lemieux? Really? You are comparing Matthews to Lemieux?
 
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darrylsittler27

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I think we all know how this goes. They will cling to their core for one more year, fail horribly and start the rebuild...again.
 
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Trapper

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I think we all know how this goes. They will cling to their core for one more year, fail horribly and start the rebuild...again.
It’s sad that at this time I am more excited about seeing Babcock coach Columbus than I am seeing this core run back.
 

justashadowof

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Sakic scored 54 goals when he was 31, also in a much lower scoring season than the one he scored 51 in, then consider the upward scoring trend now and I don't think your "one" guy to defy history theory holds water. Not to mention Lemieux at 27 scored 69 goals in 60 games, and had the best adjusted even strength point scoring rate of all-time. Bottom line is you don't have a clue whether or not Matthews will score 60 again, and certainly not based on your faulty little exercise here.
It's an interesting challenge to find later age career goal scoring years:

Johnny Bucyk: 51 goals age 35
Dave Andreychuk: 54 goals age 29
Wendel Clark: 46 goals (64 games) age 27
Mats Sundin: 41 goals age 30 (tied career high)
Martin St. Louis: 43 goals age 31
Frank Mahovlich: 49 goals age 31
Rick Middleton: 51 goals age 28
Marcel Dionne: 59 goals age 27
Bobby Hull: 58 goals age 30
Joe Mullen: 51 goals age 31
Tim Kerr: 58 goals age 27 (tied career high)
David Pastrnak: 61 goals age 27
 

authentic

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I missed the sakic one so thanks for the correction. However it’s still damning evidence that players have their most goals in a season at 26 yrs or younger. As far as lemieux’s 69 in 60, I wasn’t doing gpg, it was a total goals in a season excercise and you missed the purpose of this excercise. But I guess you 3:1 post to like ratio knows better then my 1:1 post to like ratio.

Yeah I guess since 2/3 of those posts were made before the like button was created, what a horrible flex
 
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ACC1224

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I missed the sakic one so thanks for the correction. However it’s still damning evidence that players have their most goals in a season at 26 yrs or younger. As far as lemieux’s 69 in 60, I wasn’t doing gpg, it was a total goals in a season excercise and you missed the purpose of this excercise. But I guess you 3:1 post to like ratio knows better then my 1:1 post to like ratio.
Always found it weird that when you add the 'laugh' to someones post it's created as a 'like'.
 

authentic

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It's an interesting challenge to find later age career goal scoring years:

Johnny Bucyk: 51 goals age 35
Dave Andreychuk: 54 goals age 29
Wendel Clark: 46 goals (64 games) age 27
Mats Sundin: 41 goals age 30 (tied career high)
Martin St. Louis: 43 goals age 31
Frank Mahovlich: 49 goals age 31
Rick Middleton: 51 goals age 28
Marcel Dionne: 59 goals age 27
Bobby Hull: 58 goals age 30
Joe Mullen: 51 goals age 31
Tim Kerr: 58 goals age 27 (tied career high)
David Pastrnak: 61 goals age 27

Also, there are more 28+ year old Art Ross winners in NHL history than there are under 25. Matthews only turns 26 this season, basically in the middle of his physical peak assuming he's healthy again.
 

al secord

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I just know if we sign all 3 with raises - we are screwed for 10 years minimum.
We drafted and developed elite players entering their prime that you're "hoping" we can draft and develop again in what? Another 5 years? And then you'll bitch and complain in 8 years when THEY want to be paid? Great strategy.
 
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Budz

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We drafted and developed elite players entering their prime that you're "hoping" we can draft and develop again in what? Another 5 years? And then you'll bitch and complain in 8 years when THEY want to be paid? Great strategy.

You are forgetting Tavares and his NMC.

In a cap world, great players are only great players if they outplay their contracts.

You are being intellectually dishonest. Or truly slow.
 

al secord

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You are forgetting Tavares and his NMC.

In a cap world, great players are only great players if they outplay their contracts.

You are being intellectually dishonest. Or truly slow.
Sorry. We drafted and developed elite players now entering their prime and signed the biggest free agent who is still a point per game player. And you want to get rid of them all, to what? Hopefully draft and develop elite players and in 6 to 8 years be able to sign a plum free agent to go for a cup. Even better strategy!
 

the Mighty Oak

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I'm pretty annoyed with Shanahan. Who decided to hand this team over to an inexperienced gm with a "vision" This team is no better now than it was five years ago. After that 105 point season. I thought this team would at least be in a Stanley Cup final in the next five years.
 

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