How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

[m1ker]

anyone going to ask tree if hes going to change that horrific goal song?

 

[myleafs]

False hopes, broken promises, and failed dreams were not what the fans were promised.

Shanahan's greatest accomplishment to date was coming in last place to draft Matthews. They had two of the worst seasons in team history during his presidency. They've won one round in nine years.

Just because they aren't last place in the league anymore doesn't make them winners.

They've just moved from one level of incompetence to another. Welcome to mediocrity. It's not what we were promised.

Close enough for some fans though.

How kind of you to tell me what kind of fan I am with a backhanded compliment. I have a lot of issues with this team and specifically certain players but we were in way worse off place before Shanny arrived. Is it time for him to move on? Maybe and this year will determine if he does or not IMO. But who would have thought our core guys would turn into princessess every year when the going got tough? Thats not on Dubass or Shanny.

Where we go from here is def on Shanny though so from the sounds of it, it looks like your rooting for the leafs to fail so you can say your right and Shanny gets fired or heres a thought, what if they win..... is Shanny a great President now?

No mention of Dubas in your rant or was he your fave? Keefe? Matthews, Marner?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

This is all Shanahan's fault.

Most organizations hire smart executives. The Leafs instead hired the dumb one. Who then got scared the smart employee he hired would take his job. So Shanahan fired Lou and replaced him with a snakeoil salesman con artist.

Who then tried to take Shanahan's job anyway.

Shanahan was the one who replaced Lou with Dubas. Who then proceeded to make franchise crippling decisions, one after the other. A once in a lifetime opportunity.

Pissed away by Kyle Dubas.

Can't blame just Dubas when Shanahan was the one that hired him and kept him around all this time. At this point, someone more than just Kyle Dubas needs to be held accountable for Kyle Dubas sucking at his job so bad for so long. Like the old saying goes, you don't blame the employee not competent at his job.

You blame the jerk that hired him.

That's Shanahan.

 

[myleafs]

This is all Shanahan's fault.

Most organizations hire smart executives. The Leafs instead hired the dumb one. Who then got scared the smart employee he hired would take his job. So Shanahan fired Lou and replaced him with a snakeoil salesman con artist.

Who then tried to take Shanahan's job anyway.

Shanahan was the one who replaced Lou with Dubas. Who then proceeded to make franchise crippling decisions, one after the other. A once in a lifetime opportunity.

Pissed away by Kyle Dubas.

Can't blame just Dubas when Shanahan was the one that hired him and kept him around all this time. At this point, someone more than just Kyle Dubas needs to be held accountable for Kyle Dubas sucking at his job so bad for so long. Like the old saying goes, you don't blame the employee not competent at his job.

You blame the jerk that hired him.

That's Shanahan.

Sorry, I just cant take anyone serious who name calls as their reasoning. Maybe we could look at your hockey management resume and compare notes.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

How kind of you to tell me what kind of fan I am with a backhanded compliment. I have a lot of issues with this team and specifically certain players but we were in way worse off place before Shanny arrived. Is it time for him to move on? Maybe and this year will determine if he does or not IMO. But who would have thought our core guys would turn into princessess every year when the going got tough? Thats not on Dubass or Shanny.

Where we go from here is def on Shanny though so from the sounds of it, it looks like your rooting for the leafs to fail so you can say your right and Shanny gets fired or heres a thought, what if they win..... is Shanny a great President now?

No mention of Dubas in your rant or was he your fave? Keefe? Matthews, Marner?

It wasn't a compliment, but you can take it anyway you want.

Just like Kyle Dubas did at the negotiating table.

I have rants all over this forum on everyone from Tanenbaum on down to the water boy. The whole organization is lacking in accountability. It rears its head on the ice every time you see these losers laughing after getting punched in the face or scored on.

All this talk of learning experiences.

Nylander tells us all they are SLOWLY learning what it takes to win. After six first round losses in a row, before finally winning a series, just to get embarassed the very next one, I'd really like to know, what exactly have they learned about winning. Because it doesn't look like they've learned a damn thing yet.

If they actually win it would be despite Shanahan's incompetence.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Sorry, I just cant take anyone serious who name calls as their reasoning. Maybe we could look at your hockey management resume and compare notes.

I'm sorry I don't fan the way you think I should fan.

Block me and pound sand for all I care.

Otherwise I can only assume you enjoy reading my stupid comments.

 

[myleafs]

I'm sorry I don't fan the way you think I should fan.

Block me and pound sand for all I care.

Otherwise I can only assume you enjoy reading my stupid comments.

Rant/Hate away. Have a nice day.

 

[Lemontree]

Things look a hell of a lot better now that the previous GM is gone. Look at what is in place outside of the top end players he inherited, it is a friggin joke. This plane was nose-diving but I'm HOPEFUL that there is enough time to pull up and straighten this out.

 

[m1ker]

Dubas ultimately redeemed himself, but prior to that, he had made some significant mistakes.

His big mistake was putting together a bunch of soft but skilled players. That left us with huge problems in goal, defense, and forechecking. Most of the cap space was tied up in four guys who all played the same way but couldn't even create one solid line together. And don't get me started on the defense—they doubled down on offensive defensemen instead of focusing on the basics.

 

[keonsbitterness]

This is all Shanahan's fault.

What happened to it all being Tanenbaum's fault?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'm trying to be optimistic with the change
But I see too often where failure is rewarded in TO.

 

[ToneDog]

Things look a hell of a lot better now that the previous GM is gone. Look at what is in place outside of the top end players he inherited, it is a friggin joke. This plane was nose-diving but I'm HOPEFUL that there is enough time to pull up and straighten this out.

LOL. I was thinking Dubas had the ship heading straight into an iceberg and am HOPEFUL that there is enough time for Tre to steer the ship and avoid the iceberg. Although the rumors of running it back makes me think Shanny simply wants to rearrange the deck chairs on the ship again except with a different Captain.

 

[Hellcat]

I kinda feel like the year we go on a run will be the year where people don't expect much from us.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Things look a hell of a lot better now that the previous GM is gone. Look at what is in place outside of the top end players he inherited, it is a friggin joke. This plane was nose-diving but I'm HOPEFUL that there is enough time to pull up and straighten this out.

Nothing’s changed and likely won’t considering the apparent assurances and how Tre seems supportive of the core….

It’s funny how many tunes have changed just because the only guy who actually did a decent job recently is gone and the idiots who deserve to go are still running things

I was a helluva lot more hopeful that Doobass actually saw the light and was sick of the bullshit loser culture and would have obliterated the core.

 

[ToneDog]

Nothing’s changed and likely won’t considering the apparent assurances and how Tre seems supportive of the core….

It’s funny how many tunes have changed just because the only guy who actually did a decent job recently is gone and the idiots who deserve to go are still running things

I was a helluva lot more hopeful that Doobass actually saw the light and was sick of the bullshit loser culture and would have obliterated the core.

At the end of the day, management wants to sell tickets, concessions and jerseys etc. at inflated prices. Matty and Mitch are the two celebrities that allow them to keep the customers coming. As much as I want to believe these guys want to win, they just keep stringing Leafs fans along. We are all in too deep to see the forest for the trees.

 

[al secord]

Not a fan of the coach, but even with him, we're a top 5 team in the league. Not going to complain about that.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

At the end of the day, management wants to sell tickets, concessions and jerseys etc. at inflated prices. Matty and Mitch are the two celebrities that allow them to keep the customers coming. As much as I want to believe these guys want to win, they just keep stringing Leafs fans along. We are all in too deep to see the forest for the trees.

Yeah most are but I’m rather checked out and apathetic at this point; I’m really unimpressed with Shanny and disappointed with Keefe (and likely soft core) still around next year

 

[ToneDog]

Not a fan of the coach, but even with him, we're a top 5 team in the league. Not going to complain about that.

I think that is how management sees it. Keep it rolling and anything success we have in the playoffs is a bonus. Gonna be great watching two huge hockey markets battle for the SC starting tonight.

 

[al secord]

I think that is how management sees it. Keep it rolling and anything success we have in the playoffs is a bonus. Gonna be great watching two huge hockey markets battle for the SC starting tonight.

Putting ourselves in a good position to win is all I can hope for as a fan.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Putting ourselves in a good position to win is all I can hope for as a fan.

Now that Dubas is gone that can finally start to happen.

Next: Dealing with Keefe and the core.

 

[zoA]

Aside from the tactical family comments and crap, I felt like Dubas had finally grown past his mistakes so I was alright with him staying. After accepting the situation with Dubas (pre-removal), the number one priority for me was firing Keefe. I think he’s a good coach, but I don’t think he has the ability to push our team, and I haven’t been impressed with his decisions in the playoffs.

After Dubas was removed, I wanted both Shanahan and Keefe gone. Shanahan just doesn’t seem competent at this point and to me it looks like he’s just as guilty as Dubas when it comes to learning on the job. Aside from that, I’d be fine with trading some of our core players. I just don’t have faith they can get it done at this point.

Once Treliving was hired and I heard him speak more, I figured I’d be willing to give him a pass until we see what he does the rest of the off-season.

So as of now, I think we have some good assets, and I’m waiting to see how things play out. That said, Keefe being replaced is a big deal to me. Right now I’d say I’m leaning more pessimistic than anything though.

 

[egd27]

I was a helluva lot more hopeful that Doobass actually saw the light and was sick of the bullshit loser culture and would have obliterated the core.

Why?
He'd been running the same play year after year. Gamble on a goalie, find a bunch of low cost supporting cast, add some "leadership"at the TDL, and cross his fingers

 

[Racer88]

What happened to it all being Tanenbaum's fault?

I just thank god it’s not the teacher pension plan‘s fault anymore

 

[yubbers]

I need to see what Tree man does.

Shanny is in panic mode and it has me uneasy. I'd been more comfortable with him out too.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Why?
He'd been running the same play year after year. Gamble on a goalie, find a bunch of low cost supporting cast, add some "leadership"at the TDL, and cross his fingers

I got the sense which gave me a gut feeling a big name was moving out, maybe two. He had really seemed to have enough and you didn’t see the pandering and virtue signaling to the core like you saw and heard in every offseason prior. He made statements about wanting change.
There’s no chance we get significant change when the board can’t see past Shanny’s parlor trick politicking and Keefe remaining employed, to say nothing of the near-impossible ask it would be for Treliving to move a star one month after being hired; it wouldn’t make logistical or pragmatic sense

Now that Dubas is gone that can finally start to happen.

Next: Dealing with Keefe and the core.

But my thing is, what gives you the sense anything beyond Tre will change? All I heard from him was deflection off the core and ignominious claims of being the second best checking team in the league from one side of his mouth and then that flybys don’t win in the playoffs (which of course I agree with). So does he think this shit team is chalked with good, hard checking like he claims he wants, or does he actually see what so many of us see in that aside from a literal handful of players, no one actually forechecks or wins battles for either loose puck or body position.

And preemptively, Matthews being registered for a bunch of hits when he actually doesn’t know how to throw a body check is a joke. His ass hitting the dasher and the back of his arm grazing a guy’s arm isn’t an effective rubout.