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How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?
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No Cup in 56 years and one playoff series victory in 19.
It literally cannot be worse. I'm basically at the Cup or bust part of fandom at this point. Dubas was fired because he wasn't good enough, just as all the rest of the GMs since 1967. Onward and upward.
It literally cannot be worse. I'm basically at the Cup or bust part of fandom at this point. Dubas was fired because he wasn't good enough, just as all the rest of the GMs since 1967. Onward and upward.
TMLBlueandWhite
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The whole "Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds alumni who can't get a job anywhere else in the NHL" atmosphere is all Tanenbaum's fault.
He's the one that supported the Dumbnamic Duo's dumb decisions all these years.
The Leafs were a nepotistic organization under Kyle Dubas and Brendan Shanahan. Cronyism was order of the day. All anyone had to do was be linked to the Greyhounds somehow and they had an NHL job.
It's time for a new era.
One that aims higher than just "Hire someone from the Soo". I'm not sure exactly who should replace these boobs. I'm sorry, but I don't get paid millions of dollars to know that.
What I do know, however, is that I don't think winning a cup is this teams top priority.
Lame duck management and brain dead coaching is my reason for thinking that. Seven years with Matthews and they've won exactly one playoffs round. It's been nothing but a series of baffling moves, one after the other.
ML$E continues to give fans the corporate finger.
Tanenbaum will never fire his good buddy Shanahan. That would hurt their precious friendship. We all know that's more important than assembling a winning hockey team.
Shanahan's entire tenure has been defined by nothing but loss.
The team has been an abject failure from the moment this goof was hired. Time for him to pack his bags. Shanahan can take his shenanigans somewhere else.
Too bad Tanenbaum couldn't pound pavement with him.
Losers.
He's the one that supported the Dumbnamic Duo's dumb decisions all these years.
The Leafs were a nepotistic organization under Kyle Dubas and Brendan Shanahan. Cronyism was order of the day. All anyone had to do was be linked to the Greyhounds somehow and they had an NHL job.
It's time for a new era.
One that aims higher than just "Hire someone from the Soo". I'm not sure exactly who should replace these boobs. I'm sorry, but I don't get paid millions of dollars to know that.
What I do know, however, is that I don't think winning a cup is this teams top priority.
Lame duck management and brain dead coaching is my reason for thinking that. Seven years with Matthews and they've won exactly one playoffs round. It's been nothing but a series of baffling moves, one after the other.
ML$E continues to give fans the corporate finger.
Tanenbaum will never fire his good buddy Shanahan. That would hurt their precious friendship. We all know that's more important than assembling a winning hockey team.
Shanahan's entire tenure has been defined by nothing but loss.
The team has been an abject failure from the moment this goof was hired. Time for him to pack his bags. Shanahan can take his shenanigans somewhere else.
Too bad Tanenbaum couldn't pound pavement with him.
Losers.
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I have a feeling not much will change. Same BS for decades.
We all get worked up for new GM's, new Coaches and nothing changes.
If I didn't know better the constant BS is planned. hmmmm well, maybe it is!
We all get worked up for new GM's, new Coaches and nothing changes.
If I didn't know better the constant BS is planned. hmmmm well, maybe it is!
keonsbitterness
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Why do you keep bringing up Tanenbaum? Only Bell & Rogers can fire Shanahan. Tanenbaum's primary role is representing the team with the league's Board of Governors.
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TMLBlueandWhite
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The same board of governors that have the authority to fire Shanahan?
Rogers and Bell are faceless corporate conglomerates. Tanenbaum is at least a human being. Someone fans can project their feelings of angst onto.
Whether you feel it is justified or not, the fact is Tanenbaum owns 25% of the team.
He's an owner.
keonsbitterness
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No, the NHL's Board of Governors, not MLSE's board. Tanenbaum represents the team at league meetings.
Bell & Rogers are contractually obligated to vote the same way on any changes to the team. That prevents Tanenbaum from teaming up with one against the other. He has no power to make changes unless Bell & Rogers both agree.
TMLBlueandWhite
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Having dealt with Rogers and Bell's customer service my whole life I am confident that any complaints directed their way will fall on deaf ears.
May as well just slam your head against a wall.
Tanenbaum is an owner too. Therefore he is a legitimate target for customer concerns. If he doesn't want to hear about his complete failure of a hockey team he should sell his position out.
Because there is absolutely no reason fans shouldn't be voicing their concerns to him directly so long as he has a stake in the company.
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Has someone told you you aren’t allowed to voice your concerns? Knock yourself out, I’m sure they would all love to hear from you.
Everyone is in panic. Dubas did well at the deadline. I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults, he does. I think the biggest thing that happened to the Leafs was BOB. He's not letting pucks in right now. I hope management doesn't blow it up, yet.
TMLBlueandWhite
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I think you would be surprised how much ML$E takes into account fans opinion.
ML$Epr scours these sites. It would be foolhardy to think they don't. It would be foolhardy if they didn't.
They have an insight into their customer base that most corporations can only dream of.
How much did you say you paid for your playoffs tickets? It was something like $13,000 if I remember correctly. We're you happy seeing them lose 5/6 times at home over the two rounds, including all three games of the Florida series?
I don't think I would have been.
ACC1224
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No one was happy including the Owners, Management, Coaches and Players, not sure what that has to do with anything.
Tickets were 11,3 if they played 16 home games.
TMLBlueandWhite
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You've been on this site since 2002. A long time fan and avid poster. My guess is ML$E would take your opinion and concerns very seriously.
If you weren't happy with the results, you should say something.
I'm sure they would love to hear from you, and I'm not being facetious when I say that either.
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We do an end of season survey. but they don't need me to tell them I'm not happy, they know no one is happy.
As long as its better than the nightmare Raptors parade. Longest parade in the history of championship parades.
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Kyle Dubas’s new job at the Penguins shows how messy things are getting with the Maple Leafs
The announcement of new leadership in Toronto and Pittsburgh should have been simple, until Brendan Shanahan and Dubas went off script
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For a business predicated on negotiating, it sounds like there’s a dearth of skilled negotiators in hockey. Just a lot of demanders.
Whatever the case, Dubas has done the Leafs a service. It’s been a while since the local hockey team had a proper enemy. And no, the Battle of Ontario – a name that makes you think of musketry and nodding off in Grade 7 history – does not count. This new grudge has real possibilities.
When people talk about the Leafs’ ‘culture,’ it’s one word covering a variety of sins.
It’s the fact that rookie Matthew Knies gets judo-flipped into the end boards during the playoffs and everyone on the Leafs bench goes, ‘I guess that’s fine.’
It’s the way the Leafs talk after big losses – as though they have no clue what went wrong or how they should feel about it.
It’s their tendency to sulk and whine.
It’s the way they were at locker-clearout day – relieved. Smiles all around. A bunch of pals knocking off work early.
Good teams talk like they know what they’re doing. The Leafs talk like they’re hoping you’ll tell them.
Toronto keeps trying to inject culture into the team like a vaccine. Maybe Mark Giordano carries the culture gene. Or Ryan O’Reilly. Or Luke Schenn. More often than not, newcomers don’t infect the Leafs. The Leafs infect them.
As Treliving said on Thursday, the Leafs mean something. They mean ‘Everybody hates us already so why should we care?’ The Leafs don’t feel too much. It often seems as though they don’t feel at all. It’s unnatural.
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What’s the fuel for the Leafs’ rage? Do they have any of that resource? Because if they do, nobody’s ever seen it. The Leafs are always fine. Win? That feels fine. Lose? That feels fine, too. Lose calamitously? Can’t wait to hit the beach.
Everybody understands this is the way it is and that it will never change. Until Shanahan and Dubas went off script. This was supposed to be neat and tidy. It is instead messy and dramatic.
Shanahan hit first. Dubas just hit back. So what are the Leafs going to do now?
Nothing, apparently. Which is tedious. Rarely in sports history has a big club been so poor at putting on a show.
When you consider the famous motivational knife fighters in sport – your Michael Jordans, Bill Belichicks or José Mourinhos – you think they would’ve said, ‘Oh yeah no, I’m sure that’s nothing’?
Absolutely not. They would take great offence. They’d make this the centrepiece of their coming dirty-tricks campaign. They would set out not only to beat Dubas, but to publicly humiliate him.
This is the stuff that makes pro sports really fun. The Leafs? No fun.
But there’s still time. Maybe Pittsburgh will continue on in this trollish vein. Maybe Dubas will not be able to help himself. Maybe he’ll keep grinding Toronto. Maybe Toronto will finally rouse itself to grind back.
Here’s hoping. Dubas was a good leader for the Leafs when he worked there. But now that he’s gone, he could be a great one.
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Feeling hopeful but also not very positive at the same time. No doubt we will have a tough year running it back again while the new GM figures out the best way to fix this indifferent core and the self centred culture on this team. I use the word ”team” loosely because what we have is just a collection of skilled players not a team
Overall, I’d say I feel pretty lousy about this franchise right now. This team as presently constructed has shown us what they are. They are not good enough to win a Stanley Cup, the star players do not perform at a high level in the post-season. They continually let this team down & show an unwillingness rise above physical play that is apparent in the playoffs. How can you realistically expect this team is going to go through 4 rounds of gruelling playoff hockey & bad officiating to win a championship?
This team‘s stars lack spine & character. You can bring in all the goons you want & surround these players with toughness but deep down we know at their core they lack resolve. They don’t have that extra gear to fight back against the nonsense. They don’t have the desire to score a garbage goal where you take a beating. Everything has to be fancy or pretty with them. Fundamentally that is why they lose.
Is this problem going to be addressed? No. Ownership decided they would rather make a change where it wasn’t needed to avoid making the changes to they DO NEED TO MAKE! Much like the team that they employ, they are scared. They don’t want to address the real issues that plague this team. They would rather overpay these paper tiger stars than embrace change.
This team‘s stars lack spine & character. You can bring in all the goons you want & surround these players with toughness but deep down we know at their core they lack resolve. They don’t have that extra gear to fight back against the nonsense. They don’t have the desire to score a garbage goal where you take a beating. Everything has to be fancy or pretty with them. Fundamentally that is why they lose.
Is this problem going to be addressed? No. Ownership decided they would rather make a change where it wasn’t needed to avoid making the changes to they DO NEED TO MAKE! Much like the team that they employ, they are scared. They don’t want to address the real issues that plague this team. They would rather overpay these paper tiger stars than embrace change.
Canadian Finn
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As much as Im hurt by the leafs as well, this just isnt true. Going from a dumpster fire not making the playoffs team to a every year playoff team while being the odds on favorite to win it all is not nothing but loss nor is it an abject failure. Shanny may be at the fork in the road now as the leafs are struggling to get over the hump these days but he did bring this team out of a very dark place that it was in before he arrived. Ill give him that.
ShaneFalco
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This is bang on
They don't hate losing
They're not willing to sacrifice
And they've been praised and rewarded for it
TMLBlueandWhite
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False hopes, broken promises, and failed dreams were not what the fans were promised.
Shanahan's greatest accomplishment to date was coming in last place to draft Matthews. They had two of the worst seasons in team history during his presidency. They've won one round in nine years.
Just because they aren't last place in the league anymore doesn't make them winners.
They've just moved from one level of incompetence to another. Welcome to mediocrity. It's not what we were promised.
Close enough for some fans though.
