How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

  • With Dubas gone, in great shape to compete for the Cup next year!

    Votes: 14 5.1%
  • It’s a bit of a mess at the moment, but we’re well positioned for the future.

    Votes: 49 17.8%
  • We have some positive assets, but I’m concerned about how the off season is going.

    Votes: 36 13.1%
  • Things are in turmoil, reserving judgment until we see how the summer plays out.

    Votes: 95 34.5%
  • We’ve had our peak with the core and the next few years will be bumpy but we have an outside shot.

    Votes: 34 12.4%
  • Losing Dubas was a disaster and we’ve gone from a contender to a steaming hot mess.

    Votes: 19 6.9%
  • We’re never winning a cup in my lifetime anyway, so who cares?

    Votes: 28 10.2%

  • Total voters
    275

hockeywiz542

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Living six hours up the 401 from Toronto is like watching the NHL’s longest-running soap opera from the cheap seats: As the Leaf Falls, now entering its 57th season.
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Rarely has it been more entertaining than the past week, when in the wake of the Maple Leafs’ loss to the Florida Panthers, GM Kyle Dubas held a Monday press conference in which he expressed doubts that he wanted to continue in the job.

Brendan Shanahan, who believed in the young GM so passionately that he had a new contract ready for him to sign, began to have doubts on the basis of a press conference.

Then Dubas decided he wanted to keep the job after all — but he wanted a pay hike.

Then Shanahan fired him.

What is remarkable is not that the two men in charge of the on-ice product apparently can’t make up their minds about the day of the week — what is noteworthy is that despite the failures, few fans wanted Dubas gone.


A Twitter post from the fan website Editor in Leaf went further, deciding that the game itself was the problem, that the outcome is too random and too dependent on goaltending.

“I just cannot believe,” said the anonymous author, “that so many people in hockey refuse to acknowledge how random the game is. Winning is perhaps the worst measure of success.”

Gee, and all these years I’ve thought that winning was the measure of success. Silly me.

The professional journalists were little better. In a segment for TSN between the Dubas press conference and his firing, one reporter talked about Dubas as though he were a cross between Sam Pollock and Gandhi. Another decided to sound opinions from other GMs in the league — on decisions made by the Leafs.

Coverage is bound to be skewed in favour of the Leafs when the sports networks are owned by the corporations that own the hockey team — but the effect is pervasive. In that atmosphere, it’s difficult for print journalists to be unduly critical, for fear of appearing churlish by comparison.

Instead, journalists focus on the “process” and end up sounding as though they’re PR people at the offices of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment.

The phenomenon, however, goes well beyond the media. Toronto seems to feed off the Maple Leaf culture, and the Leafs feed off Toronto, a city where the fans are as docile as the media. Just once this post-season, fans got up on their hind legs and did the unthinkable: After a miserable first period in Game 1 against Tampa, what is normally the deadest crowd in sports turned on their darlings. They booed the Leafs, loud and long.


The effect was palpable. Toronto lost that game but with a little help from an erratic Andrei Vasilevskiy, the Leafs won their first playoff series in two decades before reverting to form against a disciplined Florida team.

The problem has seemed obvious since Dubas signed John Tavares, even if Toronto doesn’t see it. Perhaps what’s needed is a little distance, like the 910 kilometres between Toronto and Boston. Master hockey writer Kevin Paul Dupont of the Boston Globe cut to the heart of it with merciless accuracy in a single tweet. “The Dubas era ends in Toronto,” Dupont wrote. “Reached round 2 once, with a roster vastly overpriced at forward, undermanned at D, and perpetually in need of varsity goaltending.

“Yet the fans streamed in for all of it. Like a magic trick, sans the hat/rabbit.”

The same tired magic trick that has fooled Toronto since the Harold Ballard years is now dressed up with a high-tech corporate gloss under MLSE, but nothing fundamental has changed. Cities with long-standing hockey traditions have their own culture that reflects the team and is reflected in turn. In Boston, trot out the same bunch of losers year after year and they would knock your front teeth out. In Montreal, fans and media alike veer madly from manic heights of euphoria to the slough of despond, depending whether the team won or lost the night before.


In Toronto, it’s praise the process and wait till next year, when the greatest team in the history of the game will surely win that elusive Stanley Cup. Nor are things likely to improve with Brendan Shanahan and his never-ending Shanaplan.

My advice, which Toronto will ignore: Get mad. Boo. Holler. Hell, stage a riot. That’s what Montreal would do.

OK, I’m joking about the riot. But paying $500 a pop to sit and scroll through your phone while the Leafs fatten their stats with another regular-season win? That’s not going to get it done. At the very least, 56 years of failure should have taught you that much.
 

Ianturnedbull

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Full of hope that the future is going to be fine, interested to see how the cap distribution problem gets addressed, hopeful for a culture change from country club atmosphere to in it to win it all……….
When I reflect on the core 4 and Dubas going to bat for them after losing...
This is an incredibly critical year. If it plays out that Matthews walks for nothing, it would arguably be the worst management decision over the past 20 years and would legit set us back 5 years.

If we're not VERY confident he's re-signing (and re-signing at a number that is at least in the ballpark of reasonable), then we should trade him before July 1.

So I'm waiting to see how things play out, but I will be highly skeptical if we're sitting on an unsigned Matthews in September.
I thought it was a critical year when (2016-2017) Bozak, Kadri, JVR, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc played for the team. What year is it? What's so critical now compared to then?
 
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kevsh

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Of course. Just as it was Shanahan's intention to bring back Dubas. And although we'll never know for sure, it's a safe bet Dubas would have kept Keefe on as well.

So if this is true, then I imagine the first question any potential GM will be asked in any interview is "Are you okay with rolling this group back again?" Followed quickly with, "Are you also okay with our bureaucratic communication system which involves at least a dozen layers of approval before you can put a 9th defencemen on waivers?"

Same team, every year.
 

Leaf Rocket

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When I reflect on the core 4 and Dubas going to bat for them after losing...

I thought it was a critical year when (2016-2017) Bozak, Kadri, JVR, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc played for the team. What year is it? What's so critical now compared to then?
1)3 of 4 core players we have has NTC/NMC kicking in come July 1st.
2)Deepest draft in a while, with only 3 picks due to our desire for a deep run however Asset management/risk management is required if we are or not trading any of the Core players.
3) Free-Agency soon. No GM = no direction & vision in place aside from Shanny basically insinuating that core-4 remains (which people hated Dubas for seems like the status quo)
4) Matthews is Eligible for an extension post-July 1st, but likely will not be traded as if he is traded Shanny is fired.

The only Guarantee/Easy fix at the moment is Coaching Change is Imminent.
 
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3blizzard4

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I feel like the rebuild so far has been a total waste in that we have seen no progress with this team.

Regular season success sure.

But we all know playoffs is where it’s at. I’m not even talking cups. I would be content if we lost in the conference finals or the finals four out of the seven years. But heck we all know thats a pipe dream in and of itself.

So long story short the rebuild with this core and plethora of individual talent and current management has been a big let down for me.
 

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Since am34 has now said he won’t resign before July 1 I’d call around and ask every team to put in their best offer.
They can work with his agent if they want to resign him at whatever crazy amount he holds them hostage for.
Then I’d shop marner and Willy
Love to see them bring in a Tom Wilson type and perhaps sign bertuzzi now that Boston can’t.
 
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Ianturnedbull

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Current state of the fanbase:

-No hope
-Dubas was the only hockey exec. to ever accomplish drafting, trades, free agents, etc. in an offseason (wtf?)
-Assuming that Shanny is doing all this now
-Assuming that he's bad at it
-Assuming that Shanny will never hire GM in time for their satisfaction
 
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Roo

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Since am34 has now said he won’t resign before July 1 I’d call around and ask every team to put in their best offer.
They can work with his agent if they want to resign him at whatever crazy amount he holds them hostage for.
Then I’d shop marner and Willy
Love to see them bring in a Tom Wilson type and perhaps sign bertuzzi now that Boston can’t.
He cant be signed before July 1st. Agreed that Bert would fit the need of this team.
 
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LeafsFan89

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Since am34 has now said he won’t resign before July 1 I’d call around and ask every team to put in their best offer.
They can work with his agent if they want to resign him at whatever crazy amount he holds them hostage for.
Then I’d shop marner and Willy
Love to see them bring in a Tom Wilson type and perhaps sign bertuzzi now that Boston can’t.
Source?
 

57 Years No Cup

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Obviously with Dubas gone they may as well lock the doors at SBA and shut down the franchise. As a matter of fact, shut down the whole league. Without Dubas NHL Hockey is meaningless.
 
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Since am34 has now said he won’t re-sign before July 1 I’d call around and ask every team to put in their best offer.
They can work with his agent if they want to resign him at whatever crazy amount he holds them hostage for.
Then I’d shop marner and Willy
Love to see them bring in a Tom Wilson type and perhaps sign bertuzzi now that Boston can’t.



Whoever started/stated this, is a fail.

HE CANNOT SIGN BEFORE JULY 1st.
 
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This team is a mess, and it is going to get stripped down.
 

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