How do you feel about the current state of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

[Budz]

Sorry. We drafted and developed elite players now entering their prime and signed the biggest free agent who is still a point per game player. And you want to get rid of them all, to what? Hopefully draft and develop elite players and in 6 to 8 years be able to sign a plum free agent to go for a cup. Even better strategy!

I mean…how can I argue that.
All of these elite players and yet 1 round win. Oh, we also get our incompetent coach to run it back.

Kewl.

Thank you Al Secord for showing me the error of my ways.

 

[joepeps]

no option for wtf is the point? Its the same f***in team

 

[al secord]

I mean…how can I argue that.
All of these elite players and yet 1 round win. Oh, we also get our incompetent coach to run it back.

Kewl.

Thank you Al Secord for showing me the error of my ways.

Trade em all! Maybe we'll get lucky one draft year and get Matt Stajan, Kyle Wellwood, Jay Harrison, Ian White and Carlo Colaiacovo. 3 years later, we'll be set because not one of them will be worth anything north of 1 mill! Budz will be so happy because we'll have so much cap space and his feelings won't be hurt from playoff losses because we'll never make the playoffs!

 

[ShaneFalco]

Trade em all! Maybe we'll get lucky one draft year and get Matt Stajan, Kyle Wellwood, Jay Harrison, Ian White and Carlo Colaiacovo. 3 years later, we'll be set because not one of them will be worth anything north of 1 mill! Budz will be so happy because we'll have so much cap space and his feelings won't be hurt from playoff losses because we'll never make the playoffs!

Riiiigghhhttt

 

[Racer88]

Trade em all! Maybe we'll get lucky one draft year and get Matt Stajan, Kyle Wellwood, Jay Harrison, Ian White and Carlo Colaiacovo. 3 years later, we'll be set because not one of them will be worth anything north of 1 mill! Budz will be so happy because we'll have so much cap space and his feelings won't be hurt from playoff losses because we'll never make the playoffs!

Soooooooo are you suggesting that we just sit on the same soft core that has crapped the bed for 7 years in a row and wait for their new and even bigger contracts to further hamper the team?

 

[BallardEra]

Gretzky with 92 goals at 20 yo is insane! But I suppose after that injuries start adding up?

Not at all. Gretzky was pretty healthy during the first 10 years or so of his career until the Gary Sutter cheap shot in 1991. He peaked at 92 goals but also had these seasons as well.

71 goals - 22 years old
87 goals - 23 years old (missed 6 games - 94 goal pace)
73 goals - 24 years old
52 goals - 25 years old
62 goals - 26 years old
54 goals - 28 years old

 

[Zack47]

It is amazing to me that the obvious need for fundamental change at the end of the season has just evaporated with time. It seems as if people can't accept the very clear empirical evidence already on the table: the Leafs are not going to win with this group. Never mind analyzing why, or theorizing some small tweak. The evidence is the evidence. Just accept it. That's why "running it back" is insane. What the hell is Brad Treliving doing?

 

[therealkoho]

Dubas looking like he was coming back only to be fired, or whatever happened there.

Sounds really great Shanny and like I said, I just have to talk to my wife and my children and we're good to go!

I know we had a sort of deal kind of worked out, but like I was saying I did have to talk to my wife, and she thinks I should get at least another couple of million per year and the kids think a 6 or 7 year deal is in order seeing as I had to go the full year without a contract which was kind of embarassing for them, but that's in the past, so are we good to go? We'll just pencil in the necessary changes and I'll sign it right now.

Wait what? I thought we were still negotiating, and why would I stick it up my arse Shanny, that's not very nice, ok OK I'm leaving cheese don't be so mean.

Is what happened

 

[therealkoho]

Lemieux? Really? You are comparing Matthews to Lemieux?

I was more appalled at the Sakic comparison. He had a fire inside that Matthews can only dream about.

 

[ACC1224]

It is amazing to me that the obvious need for fundamental change at the end of the season has just evaporated with time. It seems as if people can't accept the very clear empirical evidence already on the table: the Leafs are not going to win with this group. Never mind analyzing why, or theorizing some small tweak. The evidence is the evidence. Just accept it. That's why "running it back" is insane. What the hell is Brad Treliving doing?

It’s June 25th.

 

[therealkoho]

Always found it weird that when you add the 'laugh' to someones post it's created as a 'like'.

I never use that emoji as being critical or ridiculing someone's post, I use it because I find the post funny and am laughing with the poster and in doing so liking the post.

If I'm going to ridicule something, well that's what words are for.

 

[therealkoho]

I think we all know how this goes. They will cling to their core for one more year, fail horribly and start the rebuild...again.

We cant do that because by July 1st it will be too late

If we could get that in writing I would sign up, at least we would be guaranteed of changes...I can plug my nose for one more year if thats the case.

Like I was saying we don't have a year, the decisions have to be made by July 1, otherwise Will is the only one the Leafs have any control at all over

Soooooooo are you suggesting that we just sit on the same soft core that has crapped the bed for 7 years in a row and wait for their new and even bigger contracts to further hamper the team?

As horrible a prospect as that is, it's all we have unfortunately, big money contracts and practically guaranteed early playoff exits.

But hey, at least we'll have the leagues highest paid player on our roster!

whoopee-ding!

as Archie used to say

 

[Gary Nylund]

whoopee-ding!

as Archie used to say

I thought Archie said whoop de doo.

I loved that show! One of my favorite exchanges went like this:

Archie: Better keep a sharp lookout Edith.
Edith: For what Archie?
Archie: For the dingbat catcher Edith.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

It’s June 25th.

Exactly.
People act like the season starts next week. Take a look at the big picture. We have high end talent most of which is at a critical contract state, a new GM, yet another disappointing playoff performance to digest, an asset pool that while already shallow saw some idiot pull the plug on anyway…….yadda yadda yadda.
I can’t believe these issues remain unresolved this late in the game.

 

[Racer88]

It’s June 25th.

It maybe only June 25 gut 2 very important decisions have to be made very soon. Matthews and Nylander contract extensions

 

[AvroArrow]

It is amazing to me that the obvious need for fundamental change at the end of the season has just evaporated with time. It seems as if people can't accept the very clear empirical evidence already on the table: the Leafs are not going to win with this group. Never mind analyzing why, or theorizing some small tweak. The evidence is the evidence. Just accept it. That's why "running it back" is insane. What the hell is Brad Treliving doing?

Probably about July 1st where he is actually allowed to make some serious moves.

It maybe only June 25 gut 2 very important decisions have to be made very soon. Matthews and Nylander contract extensions

Neither guy can sign until July 1st, I'm sure negotiations are happening.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

It is amazing to me that the obvious need for fundamental change at the end of the season has just evaporated with time. It seems as if people can't accept the very clear empirical evidence already on the table: the Leafs are not going to win with this group. Never mind analyzing why, or theorizing some small tweak. The evidence is the evidence. Just accept it. That's why "running it back" is insane. What the hell is Brad Treliving doing?

Bravo. One who gets it.

 

[ACC1224]

It maybe only June 25 gut 2 very important decisions have to be made very soon. Matthews and Nylander contract extensions

Yep, a week away.

 

[BallardEra]

What the hell is Brad Treliving doing?

Exactly what Shanahan is telling him to do.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I still have my finger on the panic button.

The Leafs have fostered a culture that accepts losing. That's what happens when you constantly bring in guys with no record of success. You know who's great for cultivating a winning culture?

Winners.

Too bad the Leafs don't have anyone like that on the team. Instead they chose bring in an $11M traitor in Captain Boat Anchor Tavares. Someone who didn't have a record in leading his previous team deep into the playoffs.

Throw in a rookie coach with no NHL experience prior to joining the Leafs and it's the perfect storm for failure.

Nine years of the Shanaplan later and they've won a single playoffs round. But that won't stop ML$E from giving Keefe an extension. It's easy to keep on rewarding failure when it's not your money paying for the mistakes.

It all starts at the top: with a loser ownership that continues to reward other losers for losing.

Loser owner.

Loser president, loser manager, loser coach, loser captain.

Loser team.

 

[horner]

Nylander 10 mil * 5 yrs
Mathews 13.5 mil * 3 yrs

The sad part is that Marner and Nylander were better than Mathews this yr.

Mathews was not even the best player on our team lat year , yet wants to be the highest paid player in the league .

We still can't build a team
We have no draft picks

What not to like about this team

 

[darrylsittler27]

I still have my finger on the panic button.

The Leafs have fostered a culture that accepts losing. That's what happens when you constantly bring in guys with no record of success. You know who's great for cultivating a winning culture?

Winners.

Too bad the Leafs don't have anyone like that on the team. Instead they chose bring in an $11M traitor in Captain Boat Anchor Tavares. Someone who didn't have a record in leading his previous team deep into the playoffs.

Throw in a rookie coach with no NHL experience prior to joining the Leafs and it's the perfect storm for failure.

Nine years of the Shanaplan later and they've won a single playoffs round. But that won't stop ML$E from giving Keefe an extension. It's easy to keep on rewarding failure when it's not your money paying for the mistakes.

It all starts at the top: with a loser ownership that continues to reward other losers for losing.

Loser owner.

Loser president, loser manager, loser coach, loser captain.

Loser team.

Nothing changes until the fans tune out which will start next season. Fans are getting fed up.

 

[ACC1224]

Nothing changes until the fans tune out which will start next season. Fans are getting fed up.

What will change then?

 

[BallardEra]

Nothing changes until the fans tune out which will start next season. Fans are getting fed up.

I lived the Ballard years.

If 20,000 fans boycott you still have 1 million more ready to take their spots.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Nothing changes until the fans tune out which will start next season. Fans are getting fed up.

People have been saying that for over 50 years my friend .. fans were fed up 50 years ago .. fans really don't impact Leafs much at all .. ticket revenue, sponsorship, TV $$$ drive da business .. and guess what da business is phenomenal right now .. couldn't be any better .. even 10 years straight not making playoffs did not hurt da cash box .. there are too many of us paying for tickets, buying sponsorship, eating at hot Stove etc etc