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No one is under rating Doughty. The question is, will he be a fit at $11M - $12M a season on a team with the obvious shortcomings dee has pointed out?

You can't look at his extension or re-signing in a vacuum.
 
Doughty is not getting 11-12m a year from anyone though. I don't disagree with your premise nonetheless, just funny watching everyone try to find holes in his game and the team to come to terms/justify him moving on.

I would honestly rather run with Doughty at 12 million and a bunch of other dudes equalling the 8 million or so it takes to fill out an 'average' salaried d-core at $20m than 'replace' Doughty (hint: you can't). Not literally but you get my point. Elite #1 d-men that can play all situations for 30 minutes a game and stay insanely healthy don't grow on...well, decades really. We've seen the "doughty effect" on other d-men. He's not the problem. It's finding a good "Voynov slot" that's the challenge if you have Doughty. I'd rather have that problem. Doughty being overpaid by 1-2 million doesn't break the team like Kopitar's contract theoretically would. Less d-slots and especially Doughty eating 10 extra minutes per game is huge. Hell, you could even do Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and a few 1m d-men for around the median this year. Many of the other contenders are spending 24m+. IMO, you fix the forward contracts before you remove Drew.

The team is likely to have those shortcomings without Doughty's contract regardless.

This isn't about the Kings window or anything, frankly. This is about an iconic player in franchise history in his prime. The organization would be foolish to part with Doughty unless they're doing a full teardown, and even then, they'd be kissing ticket revenue goodbye. There's a reason he almost won the Norris in 2015 even despite the team not making the playoffs.

Edit: I'm also immensely biased on this issue, so :P
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Doughty is not getting 11-12m a year from anyone though. I don't disagree with your premise nonetheless, just funny watching everyone try to find holes in his game.

I would honestly rather run with Doughty at 12 million and a bunch of other dudes equalling the 8 million or so it takes to fill out an 'average' salaried d-core at $20m than 'replace' Doughty (hint: you can't). Not literally but you get my point. Elite #1 d-men that can play all situations for 30 minutes a game and stay insanely healthy don't grow on...well, decades really. We've seen the "doughty effect" on other d-men. He's not the problem. It's finding a good "Voynov slot" that's the challenge if you have Doughty. I'd rather have that problem. Doughty being overpaid by 1-2 million doesn't break the team like Kopitar's contract theoretically would.
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Better find a way to 86 the Kopitar contract then, and I wouldn't be opposed.

Doughty is a player who makes his partner better. Something which should be expected from one of the highest paid players in the NHL. I think Doughty will get at least $10.5M if he stays with the Kings.

I doubt any team can find a "Voynov-slot" defenseman for under $4M. Doesn't leave much for the other 5 guys.

Root, root, root for the lockout, if it doesn't happen it will be a shame.
 
KINGS17 said:
Better find a way to 86 the Kopitar contract then, and I wouldn't be opposed.

Doughty is a player who makes his partner better. Something which should be expected from one of the highest paid players in the NHL. I think Doughty will get at least $10.5M if he stays with the Kings.

I doubt any team can find a "Voynov-slot" defenseman for under $4M. Doesn't leave much for the other 5 guys.

Root, root, root for the lockout, if it doesn't happen it will be a shame.
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If Muzzin's play wouldn't have cratered this year, I'd argue he's that guy. If they are playing to their abilities, Doughty-Muzzin-Martinez is fantastic 1-3, especially if Forbort et. al. (LaDue?) emerge to supplement them for cheap.

Thank you for at least recognizing Drew's effect though, that's why he is worth it in my eyes. I did an exercise a while back listing his WOWY stats with the d-men on our roster and it's hilarious. I may do it for this last year but it's a lazy Sunday.
 
Meh, was going to make a fancy table but lazy. Only a few d-men spent significant time with Doughty this year. All #s are 5v5:

Drew, baseline:
1656:36 TOI, 1.99 GF/60, 1.56 GA/60, 56.1 GF%, 55.5 CF%

Drew/Forbort together:
1092:31 TOI, 1.92 GF/60, 1.59 GA/60, 54.7 GF%, 52.6 CF%

Forbort away:
324:16 TOI, 2.22 GF/60, 2.59 GA/60, 46.2 GF%, 48.1 CF% (keep in mind this is vs. much softer competition, too)

Muzzin/Doughty together:
284:14 TOI, 2.32 GF/60, 1.90 GA/60, 55 GF%, 57.9 CF%

Muzzin away:
1112:03 TOI, 1.89 GF/60, 2.97 GA/60, 38.9 GF%, 55 CF%

McNabb/Doughty together:
197:50 TOI, 1.82 GF/60, 0.91 GA/60, 66.7 GF%, 66.1 CF%

McNabb away:
503.19 TOI, 1.43 GF/60, 1.79 GA/60, 44.4 GF%, 58 CF%


Doughty is the great amplifier.

McNabb is a huge tease :laugh: really not even sure who he is anymore.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Doughty is not getting 11-12m a year from anyone though. I don't disagree with your premise nonetheless, just funny watching everyone try to find holes in his game and the team to come to terms/justify him moving on.

I would honestly rather run with Doughty at 12 million and a bunch of other dudes equalling the 8 million or so it takes to fill out an 'average' salaried d-core at $20m than 'replace' Doughty (hint: you can't). Not literally but you get my point. Elite #1 d-men that can play all situations for 30 minutes a game and stay insanely healthy don't grow on...well, decades really. We've seen the "doughty effect" on other d-men. He's not the problem. It's finding a good "Voynov slot" that's the challenge if you have Doughty. I'd rather have that problem. Doughty being overpaid by 1-2 million doesn't break the team like Kopitar's contract theoretically would. Less d-slots and especially Doughty eating 10 extra minutes per game is huge. Hell, you could even do Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and a few 1m d-men for around the median this year. Many of the other contenders are spending 24m+. IMO, you fix the forward contracts before you remove Drew.

The team is likely to have those shortcomings without Doughty's contract regardless.

This isn't about the Kings window or anything, frankly. This is about an iconic player in franchise history in his prime. The organization would be foolish to part with Doughty unless they're doing a full teardown, and even then, they'd be kissing ticket revenue goodbye. There's a reason he almost won the Norris in 2015 even despite the team not making the playoffs.

Edit: I'm also immensely biased on this issue, so :P
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This is the ONLY thing every signing should be about.

You think Doughty will bring in enough revenue to cover his deal if the Kings fail to make the playoffs, or exit in the 1st round most seasons? I don't.
 
KINGS17 said:
Better find a way to 86 the Kopitar contract then, and I wouldn't be opposed.

Doughty is a player who makes his partner better. Something which should be expected from one of the highest paid players in the NHL. I think Doughty will get at least $10.5M if he stays with the Kings.

I doubt any team can find a "Voynov-slot" defenseman for under $4M. Doesn't leave much for the other 5 guys.

Root, root, root for the lockout, if it doesn't happen it will be a shame.
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And if Kopitar has a bounce back year, puts up 75 points while earning another Selke nomination, then what?

You'll probably still want to trade him.

Root for the lockout? You're a terrible fan.
 
KINGS17 said:
This is the ONLY thing every signing should be about.

You think Doughty will bring in enough revenue to cover his deal if the Kings fail to make the playoffs, or exit in the 1st round most seasons? I don't.
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Then why do we even have anyone on the team over 26 anymore? Purge em all.
 
I wouldn't doubt Doughty asking for 12 million a season or more, and he would get that, cause he is worth it.

If I was Doughty, I would ask to shatter all player contracts, 15 million Base salary, but I want to make 20+ million the first few years.

If I am Doughty, I already have two Cups, Olympic gold, Norris.

I want to be the highest paid player in the league by a lot.
 
KINGS17 said:
No one is under rating Doughty. The question is, will he be a fit at $11M - $12M a season on a team with the obvious shortcomings dee has pointed out?

You can't look at his extension or re-signing in a vacuum.
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On the Kings ? No.

On say Toronto ? Yes, especially if Toronto signs all their young talent for reasonable long term deals.
 
justonetime said:
And if Kopitar has a bounce back year, puts up 75 points while earning another Selke nomination, then what?

You'll probably still want to trade him.

Root for the lockout? You're a terrible fan.
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Wanna bet!?!

The lockout almost inevitable, and if you knew something about what we are talking about, you might be able to figure out it's probably the only way the Kings will get out from under some of these bad contracts.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Then why do we even have anyone on the team over 26 anymore? Purge em all.
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Now you're talkin'. We will need some vets to show the kids the ropes though. Doughty's most value to this franchise over the next decade just might be what he can return in a trade. That's a cold, hard fact. Sorry.
 
I think the Kings have an excellent chance of resigning Doughty.

Cause the Kings are going to pay what ever Doughty wants. It will only come down to (Where does Doughty want to play).

I just won't expect the Kings to be competitive, until the draft produces home-runs on ELC's ( a lot of them)
 
KINGS17 said:
Now you're talkin'. We will need some vets to show the kids the ropes though. Doughty's most value to this franchise over the next decade just might be what he can return in a trade. That's a cold, hard fact. Sorry.
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I don't think he brings back in a trade remotely close value since he'd be an approaching UFA, then we'd be lamenting the return around here too. Lose lose since we kept him past 25.
 
KINGS17 said:
Wanna bet!?!

The lockout almost inevitable, and if you knew something about what we are talking about, you might be able to figure out it's probably the only way the Kings will get out from under some of these bad contracts.
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Not that it means anything, but yes I would be willing to bet. It's amazing how sure you are of something. 75 points as a Selke nomination isn't some outlandish idea, if he stays healthy I think it's very likely.

Consider the possibility good things might happen with the team.

And I know exactly what you're talking about you pompous *******, I just happen to not agree. You telling everyone who disagrees with you that they are wrong gets really old to read over and over. Give it a rest.

You *****ed endlessly coming up to the Kopitar signing, saying how bad it would be, then when he put up his Selke season you disappeared. Now he got injured last year and had a terrible season, along with the rest of the team, and you're back. Apparently it's game over for him all over again.


We all know you disagree with the signing. We all know you can't wait to tell everybody how bad you think it is. It's not guaranteed to go down that way. It's pro sports, **** happens. How about you sit back and enjoy the ride instead of *****ing at every single opportunity.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Why don't you just ignore him? I don't get why everyone is triggered constantly by his posts. KINGS17 is right.
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It's truly shocking NHL teams aren't recruiting HF posters to hire as GMs, I mean they make nothing but mistakes, and K17 and others sure seem to have it all figured out.
 
^ Ignore him. It's not hard.

justonetime said:
It's truly shocking NHL teams aren't recruiting HF posters to hire as GMs, I mean they make nothing but mistakes, and K17 and others sure seem to have it all figured out.
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Again, what did he say that was wrong?

This team is in trouble because bloated contracts were given out.
 
Reclamation Project said:
^ Ignore him. It's not hard.



Again, what did he say that was wrong?

This team is in trouble because bloated contracts were given out.
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Its not so much what he says it how he continues to say negative crap about the team. I read most thread in here and some posters (not just 17) seem to only post negative posts which i can only read so often before it gets to me. To much negative posting gets to people
 
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