Drew Doughty

[Reclamation Project]

Hard to be positive when you have one of the highest payrolls in the league, a multiple Cup winning roster, and 1 playoff win over 3 seasons. There isn't much positive news around this team.

He was also vocal about trading Williams, as many of us were, and it didn't happen. That first round pick would be welcome now.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Hard to be positive when you have one of the highest payrolls in the league, a multiple Cup winning roster, and 1 playoff win over 3 seasons. There isn't much positive news around this team.

He was also vocal about trading Williams, as many of us were, and it didn't happen. That first round pick would be welcome now.

This roster has kopitar doughty quick toffoli pearson muzzin lots of bright spots that many teams would love to switch rosters Its all how you look at things i guess half full is better then half empty to me but i guess he has his right to be as negative as he wants Just seems a waste to spend so much time and energy to complain about something you have no control over at all

 

[Reclamation Project]

On paper potential is great, but execution is all that matters.

I'm more bullish on this team than K17 is, but it still needs a lot of work. Fortunately Blake has been doing some great things so far. A lot will be answered in the next few weeks.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

On paper potential is great, but execution is all that matters.

I'm more bullish on this team than K17 is, but it still needs a lot of work. Fortunately Blake has been doing some great things so far. A lot will be answered in the next few weeks.

See just like that u show at least some optimism thats all im asking for and not even every post like one in 20 would be fine I haven't done the research but i will bet the last 40 17 posts have been all negative that turns off a lot of poster who are in here to talk about hockey not read about how bad this team is.

 

[justonetime]

Hard to be positive when you have one of the highest payrolls in the league, a multiple Cup winning roster, and 1 playoff win over 3 seasons. There isn't much positive news around this team.

He was also vocal about trading Williams, as many of us were, and it didn't happen. That first round pick would be welcome now.

It was hard to be positive watching Palffy get his arm just about ripped out of the socket by a Duck scrub a year after losing Deadmarsh and Allison.

It was hard to be positive watching my favorite player in Lubo get traded right before his extension kicked in.

It's a lot easier to be positive now that the team has won two cups, has arguably the best defenseman in the league, and a bunch of surrounding talent. Are they perfect hell no. Are they in cap trouble yes, but not horribly so.

It's one thing to discuss the team, as you and most are willing to do. It's another to just spew negativity and scorn anyone who thinks differently. I'm not one to block people, I just hope Koptiar shuts him up with his play, like a year ago.

 

[Bandit]

Its not so much what he says it how he continues to say negative crap about the team. I read most thread in here and some posters (not just 17) seem to only post negative posts which i can only read so often before it gets to me. To much negative posting gets to people

Look on the bright side, less than a month to go before we can bring back UFA fan favorite Dwight King!

 

[Fishhead]

Look on the bright side, less than a month to go before we can bring back UFA fan favorite Dwight King!

If DK comes back, he better get a NTC so we don't have to go through the trauma of losing him again.

 

[KINGS17]

Not that it means anything, but yes I would be willing to bet. It's amazing how sure you are of something. 75 points as a Selke nomination isn't some outlandish idea, if he stays healthy I think it's very likely.

Consider the possibility good things might happen with the team.

And I know exactly what you're talking about you pompous *******, I just happen to not agree. You telling everyone who disagrees with you that they are wrong gets really old to read over and over. Give it a rest.

You *****ed endlessly coming up to the Kopitar signing, saying how bad it would be, then when he put up his Selke season you disappeared. Now he got injured last year and had a terrible season, along with the rest of the team, and you're back. Apparently it's game over for him all over again.


We all know you disagree with the signing. We all know you can't wait to tell everybody how bad you think it is. It's not guaranteed to go down that way. It's pro sports, **** happens. How about you sit back and enjoy the ride instead of *****ing at every single opportunity.

Well, if you know what I am talking about, why don't you join the conversation?

Discussing the merits of a lockout over continuing to hold onto some of these contracts is something to consider, and I believe the owners are thinking about it.

Regarding my absence, it had nothing to do with Kopitar's play. I don't care if you choose to believe that or not, just as I don't care about what gets old for you.

And just a minor correction for you, Kopitar had his Selke season during the final year of his last contract. Athletes performing like that in the final year of a deal only to return to a lower level after the new contract is signed is very rare. Hmm, yeah that almost never happens.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride? I did enjoy the ride. The ride is now over for this roster as it is currently constructed. The Kings management can either get back in line so we can all go on another ride, or they can sit there and make a lot of noise about still being a contender, which some people will swallow.

A few of you have short memories. I suggest you go back in the archives and read what I was saying in the 2011-12 season. Nothing has changed in the way I approach evaluating how the team and organization is doing their job.

 

[justonetime]

Well, if you know what I am talking about, why don't you join the conversation?

Discussing the merits of a lockout over continuing to hold onto some of these contracts is something to consider, and I believe the owners are thinking about it.

Regarding my absence, it had nothing to do with Kopitar's play. I don't care if you choose to believe that or not, just as I don't care about what gets old for you.

And just a minor correction for you, Kopitar had his Selke season during the final year of his last contract. Athletes performing like that in the final year of a deal only to return to a lower level after the new contract is signed is very rare. Hmm, yeah that almost never happens.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride? I did enjoy the ride. The ride is now over for this roster as it is currently constructed. The Kings management can either get back in line so we can all go on another ride, or they can sit there and make a lot of noise about still being a contender, which some people will swallow.

A few of you have short memories. I suggest you go back in the archives and read what I was saying in the 2011-12 season. Nothing has changed in the way I approach evaluating how the team and organization is doing their job.

Kopitar signed in January, about halfway through his Selke season. It wasn't your typical UFA to be contract year situation, people were even speculating the ongoing negotiating was effecting his play in a negative way. After he signed he continued to play extremely well.

Hoping for a lockout to save the team is pretty silly. Potential buyouts would help a lot of teams with cap space, but cap space doesn't equal a good team. And if buyouts are allowed every team could buy themselves more space, the Kings wouldn't gain much edge over everyone else.

The team is not screwed. I'd love to see them play a 7 game series against the Preds or Pens, Kings match up fine vs both. However they matchup terribly vs the Ducks and Sharks, things certainly need work. As great as Sutter was for the team, it's fairly obvious he had worn out his welcome with certain players, I for one can't wait to see how the team performs with a new coach. We might be pleasantly surprised.

 

[theMajor]

Why don't you just ignore him? I don't get why everyone is triggered constantly by his posts. KINGS17 is right.

really?

 

[damacles1156]

Kopitar signed in January, about halfway through his Selke season. It wasn't your typical UFA to be contract year situation, people were even speculating the ongoing negotiating was effecting his play in a negative way. After he signed he continued to play extremely well.

Hoping for a lockout to save the team is pretty silly. Potential buyouts would help a lot of teams with cap space, but cap space doesn't equal a good team. And if buyouts are allowed every team could buy themselves more space, the Kings wouldn't gain much edge over everyone else.

The team is not screwed. I'd love to see them play a 7 game series against the Preds or Pens, Kings match up fine vs both. However they matchup terribly vs the Ducks and Sharks, things certainly need work. As great as Sutter was for the team, it's fairly obvious he had worn out his welcome with certain players, I for one can't wait to see how the team performs with a new coach. We might be pleasantly surprised.

Being able to buyout Brown/Gabo without eating the Cap hit penalty, would help the Kings tremendously

 

[justonetime]

Being able to buyout Brown/Gabo without eating the Cap hit penalty, would help the Kings tremendously

It definitely would. And that's assuming ownership is ok with forking over the cash. It would also help Chicago, NYR, and many other teams with bad contacts. It'd be more of a silver lining of a lockout, not the reason to root for one imo.

 

[BigKing]

Holy **** again with this "They match up well with PIT/NAS" nonsense, only this time it is followed up with a "They don't match up well with SJ/ANA".

They didn't match up well with SJ or ANA when they were winning Cups and beat both of them in the playoffs. Regular season W/L doesn't mean **** and especially not when talking about an out-of-conference team.

Kings would get run the hell out of these playoffs. I'd like to just forget this last season didn't happen and think this is the 2014 Kings but:

a) It did happen
b) They most definitely aren't

As an aside, K17 was Lombardi's biggest fan and somewhat of an optimist back before everything came together. This isn't a case of a negative poster waiting around to come back once it went to **** again: it's just his take on the situation.

Without his take and the arguments against him, there might be 20 or fewer posts a day on this board until closer to the expansion draft.

 

[kingsfan28]

Kopitar signed in January, about halfway through his Selke season. It wasn't your typical UFA to be contract year situation, people were even speculating the ongoing negotiating was effecting his play in a negative way. After he signed he continued to play extremely well.

Hoping for a lockout to save the team is pretty silly. Potential buyouts would help a lot of teams with cap space, but cap space doesn't equal a good team. And if buyouts are allowed every team could buy themselves more space, the Kings wouldn't gain much edge over everyone else.

The team is not screwed. I'd love to see them play a 7 game series against the Preds or Pens, Kings match up fine vs both. However they matchup terribly vs the Ducks and Sharks, things certainly need work. As great as Sutter was for the team, it's fairly obvious he had worn out his welcome with certain players, I for one can't wait to see how the team performs with a new coach. We might be pleasantly surprised.

It was as if Sutter didn't even bother to prep the guys to play against them. It sure looked that way during the 2016 playoffs.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I don't think people take issue with what K17 is saying. Moreso the smug condescension with which he is saying it, and that fact that he's saying it in literally every thread.

 

[justonetime]

Holy **** again with this "They match up well with PIT/NAS" nonsense, only this time it is followed up with a "They don't match up well with SJ/ANA".

They didn't match up well with SJ or ANA when they were winning Cups and beat both of them in the playoffs. Regular season W/L doesn't mean **** and especially not when talking about an out-of-conference team.

Kings would get run the hell out of these playoffs. I'd like to just forget this last season didn't happen and think this is the 2014 Kings but:

a) It did happen
b) They most definitely aren't

As an aside, K17 was Lombardi's biggest fan and somewhat of an optimist back before everything came together. This isn't a case of a negative poster waiting around to come back once it went to **** again: it's just his take on the situation.

Without his take and the arguments against him, there might be 20 or fewer posts a day on this board until closer to the expansion draft.

Care to explain why this is nonsense? There is no Golden State warriors in this NHL, no team is significantly better than others. Teams have strengths and weaknesses, and match up differently vs different teams. Yes the Kings have to get through California to get to the Finals most likely. Yes they need to improve in that area. But I don't believe they need to be completely blown up at this point, I think they need new coaching and they need to play better.

I don't think people take issue with what K17 is saying. Moreso the smug condescension with which he is saying it, and that fact that he's saying it in literally every thread.

This, 100%.

 

[justonetime]

It was as if Sutter didn't even bother to prep the guys to play against them. It sure looked that way during the 2016 playoffs.

Either Sutter didn't prep them, or the players didn't listen. My guess is it was some of each. In hindsight I think its crazy DL brought back Sutter after that terrible playoffs. Judging by the same uninspired play all of last year, something clearly was wrong between the coach and the team. My guess is that decision was the overriding factor in Dean losing his job.

Like I said, I'm very interested to see how the team plays under Stevens. We've all felt this team has not been playing to it's potential, especially offensively, let's see if Stevens and Co can fix that.

 

[KINGS17]

Care to explain why this is nonsense? There is no Golden State warriors in this NHL, no team is significantly better than others. Teams have strengths and weaknesses, and match up differently vs different teams. Yes the Kings have to get through California to get to the Finals most likely. Yes they need to improve in that area. But I don't believe they need to be completely blown up at this point, I think they need new coaching and they need to play better.

Other than the NHL not being the NBA, care to explain why you think the Kings match up well against each of the teams in the Stanley Cup Final?

 

[justonetime]

Other than the NHL not being the NBA, care to explain why you think the Kings match up well against each of the teams in the Stanley Cup Final?

I believe the Kings have a great 1a/1b center combination, a top 2 dman in the league, and a clutch goalie in Quick. I believe that alone makes them a contender in this league. I realize you disagree about certain players, but it's as simple as that from me.

 

[Reclamation Project]

How can the Kings match up well against two teams playing in the Finals when they didn't even make the playoffs?

I match up well with Larry Ellison, but I'm not a billionaire.

 

[justonetime]

How can the Kings match up well against two teams playing in the Finals when they didn't even make the playoffs?

I match up well with Larry Ellison, but I'm not a billionaire.

Nashville had a whopping two more wins then the Kings this season. Kings beat them 3 times THIS year.

Outside of Sid and Malkin I personally see the Pens as pretty average. I think a Kings team that is playing well out works them, and I think our team defense can contain their big 2.

Why do you think they don't matchup well?

 

[KINGS17]

I believe the Kings have a great 1a/1b center combination, a top 2 dman in the league, and a clutch goalie in Quick. I believe that alone makes them a contender in this league. I realize you disagree about certain players, but it's as simple as that from me.

You really didn't respond to my question, so I will take what you said and try to break it down against what I see against Nashville. I don't put much stock in regular season wins against a particular team as I don't think it's indicative of how two teams will fair against each other in a playoff series.

The Preds have a clutch goalie in Rinne. The Preds also have one of the deepest and best performing set of defensemen in the NHL this season. The Kings would have to play at least one rookie and a couple of inexperienced defensemen against a Preds team which is lightning quick up front.

The Kings did not have a great 1a/1b center combination last season. It could easily be argued Johansen and Fisher is the better combination over the last season. On the wings Nashville has Arvidsson, Forsberg, and Neal. The Kings don't match up well at all with the Preds on the wing.

 

[justonetime]

You really didn't respond to my question, so I will take what you said and try to break it down against what I see against Nashville.

The Preds have a clutch goalie in Rinne. The Preds also have one of the deepest and best performing set of defensemen in the NHL this season. The Kings would have to play at least one rookie and a couple of inexperienced defensemen against a Preds team which is lightning quick up front.

The Kings did not have a great 1a/1b center combination last season. It could easily be argued Johansen and Fisher is the better combination over the last season. On the wings Nashville has Arvidsson, Forsberg, and Neal. The Kings don't match up well at all with the Preds on the wing.

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I went into a little more detail in my post above, but the Kings did beat Nashville every time they played this year.

As I've said I expect Kopitar to have a bounce back year. Without him there's no doubt the Kings can't compete. Nashville has the Kings on wing, on defense but not by as much (big fall off after #4 for Nashville), but not at center imo. Goalies are a wash, Rinne has been shaky as hell in the finals so far.

I think the Kings are competitive vs Nashville and their head to head seems to agree.

Edit to add:

Center points this year, Kopitar(52) + Carter(66) = 118
Johansen(61) + Fisher(42) = 103

How were they easily better this year?

 

[BigKing]

Can't beat Arizona but match up well with the two teams in the SCF.

This year's team had no second gear and we saw that as they fumbled their way down the stretch even with Quick back. They would of been smashed by Chicago in round one.

 

[deeshamrock]

I believe the Kings have a great 1a/1b center combination, a top 2 dman in the league, and a clutch goalie in Quick. I believe that alone makes them a contender in this league. I realize you disagree about certain players, but it's as simple as that from me.

It makes them a very good team, but other teams have that same quartet and more depth. The Kings 'top' 2 centers are not in their prime anymore, Calgary and Edmonton both have young center duo's that aren't in their prime yet and will get better. DD is the only core player in his prime ,the others are aging, that's not an advantage the way it was 5 yrs ago when they got the first Cup and had 2 strong yrs after that.

Nashville has the best defense in the game and their top 4 defenseman have shown in this playoff series, putting up 50 pts and playing solid in all 3 zones. The Kings can't match that, not even close. Perhaps when Gravel and LaDue develop but that is a few years away. Fisher won't be the #2 next year and they'll have a younger pivot at that slot. That combined with the other factors put thems ahead of the Kings and in the drivers seat in that division.

Right now, for the Kings to get into the playoffs, #4 spot in the division is not a guarantee, not with the Central. So getting to #3 would be the goal and I just can't see them doing that next year. With the right personnel moves, drafts and such, in time maybe. But Edmonton, Calgary, Sharks and Ducks right now have the edge to get those top 3.