Drew Doughty

[kingsholygrail]

If a team comes in with a Lindros type return for Doughty, you have to at least consider it. I think it would start with a top pairing D man and a couple top young forward talents.

When was the last time we really had a trade like that in the cap era?

 

[Stimpythecat]

We sign him for 8 years $80 million. Hopefully that will do it. With as many long term contracts on the books as we have, we are committed to this course.

We also have 3 years of cap adjustments to go before his contract extension would kick in. While any one year could be flat, I don't see all 3 being that way. It would only need to go up $3 million combined. Those 3 years in total is the Doughty extension money right there.

We can't do a true rebuild with Brown, Gaborik, and Kopitar's contracts on the books.

 

[Fishhead]

When was the last time we really had a trade like that in the cap era?

None that I can remember, but it would take an awful lot to land Drew. That Lindros trade was over the top obviously.

It would take something like Reilly + one of Marner/Nylander to interest the Kings, I think.

 

[KINGS17]

We sign him for 8 years $80 million. Hopefully that will do it. With as many long term contracts on the books as we have, we are committed to this course.

We also have 3 years of cap adjustments to go before his contract extension would kick in. While any one year could be flat, I don't see all 3 being that way. It would only need to go up $3 million combined. Those 3 years in total is the Doughty extension money right there.

We can't do a true rebuild with Brown, Gaborik, and Kopitar's contracts on the books.

Doughty is going to ask for a higher cap hit than Kopitar, just like he did last time.

 

[damacles1156]

Doughty will ask to be the highest paid player in the league, and he will get it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Doughty and Karlsson both UFAs in the same summer, both represented by the same agency, who also rep P.K. Subban. They're both going to set a new standard for how much top tier defensemen will make.

 

[deeshamrock]

There are zero realistic trade options in which Doughty isn't the best player in the deal by a country mile. So what kind of "top player" do you expect in return? Will he ever make the team better than a 30+ year old Doughty?

You only deal Doughty if he wants to leave. That simple. These kinds of players come around once in a generation. Edmonton picked first overall for years and still lacks a bonafide all situations #1D. Doughty is the one big money player you want to keep through a major rebuild.

Of course Doughty would be the best player, but the objective of the powers that be in the Kings front office should be to build a better future. To form a team that can be a contender. A younger, skilled team to compete within the div/conf. If the GM on the other side of the phone is offering a deal with top player(s) and picks, and you get multiple pieces to fill out your roster and it makes the team better. That's the goal. To create a team that can contend. One player, as great as DD is, can't do that, not at that cost.

So you opt to keep Doughty as the one 'big name player' thru a rebuild. And he'll likely be asking for 12M to get 11 or 10.5, like he did before to be the highest paid player , so who exactly would be taking the then (next summer) Kopitar about to turn 31 and 6 more yr at 10M? And what if TT gets a 1 yr contract thru arbitration or otherwise and pots 35? That another chunk out of the payroll. There's rumors that the Kings are interested in E.Kane. That there was a 'disagreement' between DL who didn't want him and others in the front office (i'm guessing luc) who did. WEll, if that deal gets done, Kane (or any top winger they'd get) also needs a payday. So it's not just DD 's money.

And I think DD will do the right thing, and if he knows he wants to move on to greener pastures, he'll let them know.

Keeping him, and the $$$$ contract he'll get, doesn't make them a better team because they have the better player, because of the ripple effect that contract would cause.

 

[yankeeking]

Of course not but you get back 2-3 maybe even 4 pieces back. You demand the other team's best youngish d-man, a top 6 wing or center, and maybe a #1 pick or two. Now do those 3-4 pieces make the Kings better than just having Doughty alone?

you NEVER get back enough , see trading 99 because they couldn't get enough money and were bankrupt and could not surround him with players to contend , so they trade him and got back picks and decent players, lappy , but were not contenders for almost 20 years , I personally do not think I have 20 more years,being in my 60's and having aged in dog years thru the 70/80's ,so I vote for doing whatever black magic they can to revive kopi and keeping drew , we do a full rebuild like some suggest its 10 years of arguing who we take with the 5th pick and talking about the joy of watching DD lift a cup or two where ever he lands

 

[Rorschach]

I could see us dealing Doughty for the 2018 1OA ++ assuming we give the other team permission to negotiate with him first for a token amount.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Doughty will ask to be the highest paid player in the league, and he will get it.

arguably more impact on the game than any player not named the immediate version of Erik Karlsson, even more so than Crosby/McDavid/Healthy Malkin (10+ extra minutes per game is huge). Don't disagree at all.

Even more so if they could juice another ~10 points per year out of him.

 

[KINGS17]

Well, if the Kings want to change their style letting Doughty free-wheel more with the puck wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Doughty is a kings fan

he was born a King
he lives as a King
he will die a King

point finale!

 

[kenito7]

you NEVER get back enough , see trading 99 because they couldn't get enough money and were bankrupt and could not surround him with players to contend , so they trade him and got back picks and decent players, lappy , but were not contenders for almost 20 years , I personally do not think I have 20 more years,being in my 60's and having aged in dog years thru the 70/80's ,so I vote for doing whatever black magic they can to revive kopi and keeping drew , we do a full rebuild like some suggest its 10 years of arguing who we take with the 5th pick and talking about the joy of watching DD lift a cup or two where ever he lands

Oilers traded Gretzky In 1988 and won the Cup in 1990 so it can be done. In a salary cap league it might be harder for the Kings to win the Cup with Doughty than without him.

 

[KINGS17]

Doughty is a kings fan

he was born a King
he lives as a King
he will die a King

point finale!

Oh please, this was Dean's problem. Players are assets and they have relative value.

If Blake can take Doughty and turn him into two or three present and future assets and improve the team's depth and youth by doing so it's okay to trade him.

 

[deeshamrock]

Well, if the Kings want to change their style letting Doughty free-wheel more with the puck wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

I think they will, look how much freer he is in the Olympics with Babcock's system.

 

[KINGS17]

I think they will, look how much freer he is in the Olympics with Babcock's system.

Yeah, I think we will get to see this within a couple of years.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

you NEVER get back enough , see trading 99 because they couldn't get enough money and were bankrupt and could not surround him with players to contend , so they trade him and got back picks and decent players, lappy , but were not contenders for almost 20 years , I personally do not think I have 20 more years,being in my 60's and having aged in dog years thru the 70/80's ,so I vote for doing whatever black magic they can to revive kopi and keeping drew , we do a full rebuild like some suggest its 10 years of arguing who we take with the 5th pick and talking about the joy of watching DD lift a cup or two where ever he lands

Of course you never get back enough but if he's going to walk anyways then you have to get back something.

 

[damacles1156]

Kind of similar to the CBJ with Nash, they didn't get a Nash type player back.

But they got a lot of decent pieces in that trade.

The Jackets got Saad with one of the Nash players traded.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Yeah, I think we will get to see this within a couple of years.

You are the most bizarre, masochistic fan.

If the Kings are in a position where they're forced to trade away the best defenseman they've ever had, that's a pretty sad day. And here you almost seem to relish it.

 

[cyclones22]

I think they will, look how much freer he is in the Olympics with Babcock's system.

Yep, design or use a damn system to make use of a guy who's on the ice for close to 30 minutes a game and is your best player. Makes sense.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I could see us dealing Doughty for the 2018 1OA ++ assuming we give the other team permission to negotiate with him first for a token amount.

I think that's a wild expectation. Is the team drafting 1st overall next year in a position to take a defenseman 10 years into his career, with probably a $10+m cap hit? Plus giving up more than just the pick? The Kings probably aren't going to win the Cup for a while, and they're probably not going to get full value for Doughty if they have to trade him, and the same goes for Kopitar, even if they traded him a couple years ago. All sorts of expectations need to be taken down a notch or two all over the place.

Oilers traded Gretzky In 1988 and won the Cup in 1990 so it can be done. In a salary cap league it might be harder for the Kings to win the Cup with Doughty than without him.

They also still had the guy that would go on to be the 2nd highest scoring player in league history until a short time ago, so I'm not sure using the 80's Oilers as an example is good for all that much.

I think they will, look how much freer he is in the Olympics with Babcock's system.

That's also Team Canada at the Olympics. They're the deepest team in that tournament every time. If a coach can't get that team to at least the gold medal game, then who knows what that guy is doing.

Kind of similar to the CBJ with Nash, they didn't get a Nash type player back.

But they got a lot of decent pieces in that trade.

The Jackets got Saad with one of the Nash players traded.

The Jackets got Saad mostly because the Hawks were up against the cap. If the Kings got the equivalent of Dubinsky, Anisimov, a failed prospect, and what turned out to be the 19th overall pick for Doughty, I doubt anyone will be all that happy. Dubinsky is as old as Nash, and Anisimov isn't that much younger.

That's probably the choice with Doughty. Either pay him what he wants, or get at best a decent return relative to what Doughty is.

 

[KINGS17]

You are the most bizarre, masochistic fan.

If the Kings are in a position where they're forced to trade away the best defenseman they've ever had, that's a pretty sad day. And here you almost seem to relish it.

It's a little bit like capitalism in that it is constructive destruction. Kind of like how I was on board with buying out Mike Richards in the summer of 2014. Don't live in the past. Doughty will be the best defenseman the Kings have ever had.

Do I want the organization to hang onto him until he isn't even the best defenseman on the roster? No.

All this being said, I have advocated Blake going to Doughty this summer and getting a feel for what his long term plans might be, and communicating with him about being the foundation for a rebuild.

Since the Kings seem intent on promulgating the fallacy of still being contenders, Doughty being the foundation of a rebuild doesn't make sense. By the time Luc Robitaille is done shaking down the fans and having them pay for past success, the assets which would have paved the way for a rebuild will have dwindled and lost value. I am concerned this is the most likely outcome.

That being the case, I see no reason why Doughty will want to stick around after another two seasons of mediocrity when he can be handsomely paid, and play for a contender.

 

[tny760]

Yep, design or use a damn system to make use of a guy who's on the ice for close to 30 minutes a game and is your best player. Makes sense.

but where's the grit

the abrasiveness

gotta be hard to play against

 

[kingsfan28]

Well, if the Kings want to change their style letting Doughty free-wheel more with the puck wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

You do realize Doughty would need to learn how to hit the net more than 1/10 tries, right?

He may have the worst shot out of all the top 10 dmen in the league.

 

[yankeeking]

Who the hell uses "promulgating" in a sentence lol