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[Seattle Totems]

True, but most successful companies have an unwritten rule ' Any employee who has data to back up their position has the same voice as any executive"

Not on this team

 

[krutovsdonut]

Fitting that the year we have a sellers market and loads of cap space - no one needs it and doesn't want our players.

think how all the ahl 2 way contract guys feel who were squeezed out of big league daily paychecks to make all that cap room. it would be interesting to do the math on how much it cost a guy like sasson or ratu.

 

[moiderer]

People miss the timing here.

He looked good until his concussion.

That's a fair point and definitely a factor of sympathy.

Unfortunately that doesn't change the equation of his performance making him a depressed asset. It would be less risky if he was just slumping or mentally overtaxed.

 

[MS]

Except they aren’t sitting in a playoff spot and are effectively competing with 3 other teams for 1 spot.

We are 8th in the West in points %.

What position have you decided that I hold and are now debating?

Utah and Calgary have no UFA players like Suter to trade.

Have you gone mad?

Your position in your first post was that you were upset that bad ownership prevented us from selling.

Calgary could have traded Vladar. Utah had Cole and Bjugstad as pending UFAs and re-signed Cole.

And it isn’t just this year. Teams don’t sell when they’re sitting in the playoffs.

 

[Nuckles]

Aside from a few bright spots, Rutherford and Allvin completely fumbled this entire season from beginning to end. Completely inexcusable.

 

[Hodgy]

I don’t really see the point in getting angry about our ownership/management behaving in the same way as every other management group does in every other sport in the same situation.

No team would be doing what you’re suggesting when you’re in our position and sitting in the playoffs. A lot would have tried to add, if anything.

And it’s not just that people are a bit disappointed. It’s *hysterics* here this morning. Mrs. Lovejoy shit, because a team sitting in a playoffs spot didn’t significantly weaken their roster before the playoffs.

You don't see the point because you'd prefer the team to compete each year they reasonably can, and that's fine, I am not critical of your preference. But again, there is nothing wrong with a fan preferring their team take a longer term view especially when you consider that longer term view is more likely to yield better results. There is nothing surprising or unreasonable about a group of people being upset when their interests are not being catered to by another group that is catering to their own self interest. Like, its pretty fair and reasonable.

And sure, there are overreactions. But this is a an internet forum, so hardly surprising.

As noted, this is completely different than Benning, who never knew a dollar of cap space he didn't need to immediately spend. And the way he spent those dollars was terribly incompetent.

But this is almost more disturbing because for any one who remembers, the last time the Canucks had mediocre teams that operated this far below the cap they almost left Vancouver.

All the recent reports indicate they're still far apart with Boeser, and contract talks are not going anywhere at the moment.

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

 

[quat]

We just saw two teams firmly in a playoff picture, trade away one of the best wingers in the league when they knew he wouldn't, or they couldn't get him signed. That would be the Avs first and then the Hurricanes trading away Mikko Rantanen.

How is that not the same situation the Canucks were facing with Brock Boeser? Management has literally stated they're not going to lose players for nothing, and yet here we are. I don't understand the continual pattern of hamstringing your team that seems to happen with this organization.

Trading Boeser isn't "burning it down", it's a pragmatic approach to improving your team, and there's ample evidence that trading underperforming players actually improves your team., while keeping a guy who's checked out makes the team cohesion worse.

While there's no real argument to be made comparing Benning to Ruthervin, this one habit seems built into this organization and it's incredibly stupid. If Boeser had have been traded today, I doubt anyone would have complained about it and everyone would have supported managements decision. Why anyone is on board with decisions that actively make succeeding more difficult is beyond me.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

That's a fair point and definitely a factor of sympathy.

Unfortunately that doesn't change the equation of his performance making him a depressed asset. It would be less risky if he was just slumping or mentally overtaxed.

Agree.

 

[ephmrl]

How did Luke Schenn get a 2nd+4th but Soucy only a 3rd?

Right shot + 2.8m instead of 3.2m on the books for next season.

 

[TruGr1t]

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

This makes about as much sense as any explanation I've seen for what is going on.

 

[krutovsdonut]

No other teams have any reason to expose him, he didn't call anyone out by name. I just refuse to believe with what this year's trade deadline prices have been, that no one offered a 1st. Just unbelievable outright.

you think no other gms have any reason to completely undermine the credibility of a rival gm with agents and players?

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[Canucker]

Well...we aren't better, or worse than we were yesterday...this season so far has been highly erratic and disappointing all the way through so why should today be any different. Hope for the best and hope they can sneak into the playoffs, get some experience without being trounced too badly, use some of their newly acquired cap space and take some steps forward this off-season. Onward.

 

[Bobby9]

You work at a good place. I’m similarly a director (also looking to move up) and have been in some shitshows with terrible CEOs. Though I’ve been in startups and have found it’s a lot more common

My CEO is 38 and I started on the ground floor (started the company) with him in 2017 so he's very very very open minded. I am really lucky to work for him.

 

[Nuckler]

Boston has sold off, and they were within sight of a playoff spot. It's wide open this year. Look at Carolina. They decided to look ahead (wrongly, I think, given how old some core players like Slavin are) and not put all their marbles into this year. It happens a lot more than you think and with more context involved than just loading up year after year if you're within sight of the playoffs.

I think Carolina was sneaky smart with what they did. Stankoven is going to be cheap next year on his elc, nikishin will likely be playing for the on an elc as well and they have a TON of cap space to build with and 4 1st rounders and 4 3rds over the next couple years to fully load up and use as ammo to add players. Low key very smart

 

[Jerry the great]

How did Luke Schenn get a 2nd+4th but Soucy only a 3rd?

Soucy has played like dogshit for most of the year. and the picks (WPG 2nd and SJ 3rd) are likely going to end up within a few of each other

 

[credulous]

Aside from a few bright spots, Rutherford and Allvin completely fumbled this entire season from beginning to end. Completely inexcusable.

i think people are overreacting slightly but between going into the season with desharnais, juulsen and sprong pencilled in as regulars, the will they or won't they drama around miller and pettersson and waiting until january to pick up a top 4 defender allvin and jr really did turn a season when the canucks could have been a solid playoff team if not a contender into a team that is going to have to fight it's way into the playoffs down the stretch. really a masterclass in how not to run a team

 

[VancouverJagger]

I'm almost certain Allvin is lying out of his teeth. It sounds so crazy, but there is almost 0 chance there wasn't any teams willing to put a 1st out there for Boeser.

Yeah with the frenzy around this deadline and the prices being paid it is a MASSIVE stretch to think that not one single team offered a first for Boeser.........

I am generally a fan of this management as overall I think they have done good work however being openly lied to about this along with obvious media manipulation leaves a poor taste in my mouth.....

 

[Knight53]

I'm almost certain Allvin is lying out of his teeth. It sounds so crazy, but there is almost 0 chance there wasn't any teams willing to put a 1st out there for Boeser.

Video games!

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Not sure why we care if Utah, Calgary and St. Louis are selling or not. Who cares.

To not get anything for Suter just feels confusing. I don’t think Boeser ages well either so can’t wait to be strapped to that contract moving forward. Find it hard to believe teams weren’t offering a 1st looking at other trades. Did nothing with all the cap space too.

Feels like we’re stuck in no man’s land again. This summer better be huge.

The only problem with that is there is no real set of moves that could upgrade this team massively. Unless Lekkerimaki comes into next season looking like a 30 goal scorer and Willander is a very good #3, we're in for a very dark future when Quinn inevitably informs management he has 0 intentions of signing an extension - the groundwork is already being laid out with Rutherford saying that they might have to strip the team down if this core can't figure it out (He said that after saying they want to figure out a way to keep Quinn around for his entire career), and Quinn's agent saying he wants to win.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We are 8th in the West in points %.



Your position in your first post was that you were upset that bad ownership prevented us from selling.

Its a constant with the team for the past 20 years.

I wasnt expecting a fire sale.

Calgary could have traded Vladar.

What..? Why would anyone trade for Vladar?

Utah had Cole and Bjugstad as pending UFAs and re-signed Cole.

Bjugstad is on IR and... they resigned Cole.

And it isn’t just this year. Teams don’t sell when they’re sitting in the playoffs.

What is this shit posting?

Its so weird seeing you post this stuff with the angry confidence you do...

 

[credulous]

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

the team has been quietly for sale since the towers went up at rogers. the aquilini's ask is ridiculous though

 

[ahmon]

We just saw two teams firmly in a playoff picture, trade away one of the best wingers in the league when they knew he wouldn't, or they couldn't get him signed. That would be the Avs first and then the Hurricanes trading away Mikko Rantanen.

How is that not the same situation the Canucks were facing with Brock Boeser? Management has literally stated they're not going to lose players for nothing, and yet here we are. I don't understand the continual pattern of hamstringing your team that seems to happen with this organization.

Trading Boeser isn't "burning it down", it's a pragmatic approach to improving your team, and there's ample evidence that trading underperforming players actually improves your team., while keeping a guy who's checked out makes the team cohesion worse.

While there's no real argument to be made comparing Benning to Ruthervin, this one habit seems built into this organization and it's incredibly stupid. If Boeser had have been traded today, I doubt anyone would have complained about it and everyone would have supported managements decision. Why anyone is on board with decisions that actively make succeeding more difficult is beyond me.

Boeser has 4 points since February, trading Boeser is basically peeing in the winter at night - you barely notice.

the idea that trading Boeser means we will miss the playoffs is crazy, we are likely missing it WITH him.

 

[dez]

I'm almost certain Allvin is lying out of his teeth. It sounds so crazy, but there is almost 0 chance there wasn't any teams willing to put a 1st out there for Boeser.

I agree, he's full of it. Also what was the point of shuttling guys up and down? It wasn't for hockey reasons that's clear as day now. More likely to save Blueberries some dollars.

 

[mdobbs]

I don’t really see the point in getting angry about our ownership/management behaving in the same way as every other management group does in every other sport in the same situation.

No team would be doing what you’re suggesting when you’re in our position and sitting in the playoffs. A lot would have tried to add, if anything.

And it’s not just that people are a bit disappointed. It’s *hysterics* here this morning. Mrs. Lovejoy shit, because a team sitting in a playoffs spot didn’t significantly weaken their roster before the playoffs.

Except Carolina just did this…

This is a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting we burn down the team, but this screams of exceptionally poor asset management if we get nothing for a bunch of pending FAs that we know we have no chance of signing

 

[wonton15]