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[bandwagonesque]

No team would be doing what you’re suggesting when you’re in our position and sitting in the playoffs.

This just isn't true. It does happen once in a while when a seller's market arises and a management group calculates that there's little hope of playoff success.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Two disappointing deadlines in a row now

Meh

Last one was pretty fun

 

[Nucky]

 

[moiderer]

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have traded Poolman to escape LTIR and maximally accumulated cap if they knew their contending team from just a season ago was going to be doomed.

But they did and they should have because it was the proactive thing to do to provide the best chance to compete.

I don't really understand complaining about this one unless they knew Miller would go rogue and Hughes and Demko would be roomies at VGH. Or you're just pissed at your Twitter feed getting clogged every morning.

 

[quat]

#1, i believe sakic moved rantanen because he wanted to move on from rantenan, not because he couldn't sign him.

#2. tusky/dondun didn't trade for rantenan as a rental and recouped what they could when that was the outcome.

#1. I think they would have signed him if he came in at the price they felt they could afford. Same situation with Boeser.

#2 Yes, I agree. Same situation: you want the player long term and if you can't get him signed then you trade him to recoup assets despite being in the playoffs and knowing you're likely to lose the best player in any deal.

 

[Cancuks]

I'm certain that they could have gotten a 1st for a 50% retained Boeser. But the fact is, Aquilini is so cheap he's not willing to retain. Yet other teams are willing to eat cap for conditional 6th round picks.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

i have heard aqua family is in a cash crunch but that would still be a surprise unless it's at the point the lenders are calling the shots. that being said, the beancounters must not like the balance sheet of a team with obligations in us$ and income in $c.

 

[TruGr1t]

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have traded Poolman to escape LTIR and maximally accumulated cap if they knew their contending team from just a season ago was going to be doomed.

But they did and they should have because it was the proactive thing to do to provide the best chance to compete.

I don't really understand complaining about this one unless they knew Miller would go rogue and Hughes and Demko would be roomies at VGH. Or you're just pissed at your Twitter feed getting clogged every morning.

It's cumulative, through various moves they are now sitting with almost $14M of cap space after the deadline. That is more typical of a team in some form of a rebuild (which they continually claim they will not do). It is absolutely atypical if you are serious about a playoff push.

 

[arttk]

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

you know what, if that is the case, this was a great trade deadline.

anything to help facilitate getting out on Aqua

 

[BoHorvat 53]

We’re actually higher in the standings then when we made the Miller trade - Calgary was ahead of us at that point and have gone in the tank over their last 10 games or so.

Dom's model (The best publicly available model) put our chances of making the playoffs on January 31st (The day we traded JT Miller) at 79%, today that number has plummeted to 57%, and we don't know how long we're going to be missing Hughes and Demko for.

 

[TruGr1t]

Dom's model (The best publicly available model) put our chances of making the playoffs on January 31st (The day we traded JT Miller) at 79%, today that number has plummeted to 57%, and we don't know how long we're going to be missing Hughes and Demko for.

It's been commented a few times that Dom's model is way outdated on the Canucks because it hasn't fully accounted for the Hughes injury etc.

 

[Szechwan]

Can't believe I didn't notice this until just now but I'm gonna whine about your username that's not even spelled correctly - it's spelled Sichuan you damn uncultured pillock!

I am very aware it is not accurate, don't worry. It's been my username for everything for about 2 decades - the strangest stretch was during the Rick & Morty Szechuan Sauce craze, I had people offering me $50 for my usernames on various sites - so dumb.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

It's been commented a few times that Dom's model is way outdated on the Canucks because it hasn't fully accounted for the Hughes injury etc.

So our outlook is even worse than 57%, yay!

 

[LemonSauceD]

Our forward group is worse on paper than December 2021. Lmfao. Allvin: “this group can compete for playoffs”. In what f***ing world.

 

[MS]

This just isn't true. It does happen once in a while when a seller's market arises and a management group calculates that there's little hope of playoff success.

It’s exceedingly rare.

The only one I can think of was Shattenkirk 8 years ago where his ES results were tanking but he had lots of PP points so St. Louis sold high and flipped him. Ended up getting bought out by NYR very quickly, and I think this was more a case where his team had realized he wasn’t actually helping them win games and had a great opportunity to sell really high on a very overrated player.

 

[moiderer]

It's cumulative, through various moves they are now sitting with almost $14M of cap space after the deadline. That is more typical of a team in some form of a rebuild (which they continually claim they will not do). It is absolutely atypical if you are serious about a playoff push.

The point is if things went well and we were in the position to buy at the deadline, we would be happy that we had extra space to add a player.

But things went south, but it still wasn't wrong to put us in a favorable position in the first place.

If we didn't do it and couldn't add a player ina winning position because of it, it would be Benning levels of lack of foresight and preparation.

 

[DFAC]

Absolute disaster.

 

[wonton15]

Why couldn’t we have at least added an expiring forward to help us score a goal or two down the line or brokered a trade to weaponize our cap space?

Sitting on our hands makes me mad with the amount of cap we worked our ass off to free up.

 

[arttk]

Our forward group is worse on paper than December 2021. Lmfao. Allvin: “this group can compete for playoffs”. In what f***ing world.

have you checked what our 2021 D core was and how absolutely horrific we were at at killing penalties? we were like what .. historically bad at PK?

 

[VanillaCoke]

wow nothing eh

Aite, all the money I was going to spend on playoff race tickets and merch I'll just keep in my pockets and take the wife to Tofino or Tulum.

 

[Agent007]

I'm convinced as soon as Norris and Cozens were off the table they decided they weren't going to move Boeser. No doubt in my mind they intended on flipping the Boeser (and maybe Suter) assets for Norris or Cozens (probably Norris). What perhaps they didn't realize is that they were probably behind Buffalo AND Nashville in any Norris deal (both had to fall through for Ottawa to be willing to move him for Suter and picks).

 

[TruGr1t]

The point is if things went well and we were in the position to buy at the deadline, we would be happy that we had extra space to add a player.

But things went south, but it still wasn't wrong to put us in a favorable position in the first place.

If we didn't do it and couldn't add a player ina winning position because of it, it would be Benning levels of lack of foresight and preparation.

I don't really think that's the point, I don't think you can really say you're overly serious about the playoffs sitting in the position the Canucks are with ~$14M in cap space, Hughes injured for some indeterminate amount of time, and Demko not skating. I mean, you can say you're maximizing revenue on remaining ticket sales and don't really care if you make the playoffs, I suppose.

You did the bare minimum to not outright miss the playoff my turning Boeser and Suter into "own rentals", but I'd argue you still aren't particularly likely to make it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It’s not even about what I ‘prefer’.

Even if I rated picks/prospects much higher than I do and really felt that the best thing for the franchise in a vacuum was to trade Boeser … I wouldn’t be upset that they didn’t because I understand that there is basically zero chance that they were going to send a message to their SP holders (who they are going to be in a massive fight to retain after last year’s price increases) that they were quitting on the season with 18 games left while they were sitting in the playoffs.

See.

This is what I mean.

You were broken by the Benning era and now scold fans who have higher aspirations than "sending a message to SP holders." Or sneaking in to the playoffs.

It is completely fine to have this view you hold. But for the love of god stop making fun of the rest of us.

 

[Canucker]

Why couldn’t we have at least added an expiring forward to help us score a goal or two down the line or brokered a trade to weaponize our cap space?

Sitting on our hands makes me mad with the amount of cap we worked our ass off to free up.

If Beauvillier cost a 2nd....who would you have liked to buy at those prices? I would have preferred to sell, or make a hockey trade but buying at these prices was not a good plan IMO.

 

[valkynax]

I am very aware it is not accurate, don't worry. It's been my username for everything for about 2 decades - the strangest stretch was during the Rick & Morty Szechuan Sauce craze, I had people offering me $50 for my usernames on various sites - so dumb.

McDonalds did release the Szechwan sauce after that episode hahaha