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[wonton15]

If Beauvillier cost a 2nd....who would you have liked to buy at those prices? I would have preferred to sell, or make a hockey trade but buying at these prices was not a good plan IMO.

Ilya Mikheyev

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Honestly we should fire the whole management team before they damaged the team even further.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The team is shit. Hope they miss the playoffs.

The owner is a POS. Hope fans stop going.

Mgmt are f***ing idiots.

Almost everything they have done this year has been a f***ing disaster.

It's always bullshit excuses or blaming others.

Things will not get better because the team has no assets, minimal prospects and everyone will have cap space in the summer.

Not good enough. Not bad enough.

Another absolute f***ing waste of a year.

 

[moiderer]

I don't really think that's the point, I don't think you can really say you're overly serious about the playoffs sitting in the position the Canucks are with ~$14M in cap space, Hughes injured for some indeterminate amount of time, and Demko not skating. I mean, you can say you're maximizing revenue on remaining ticket sales and don't really care if you make the playoffs, I suppose.

I don't think you understand what I'm arguing. The decision to maximize cap ahead of the deadline happened before we knew what playoff position we would be in.

Even if we don't look good now, coming off of a contending season it would be ludicrous to not try to maximize cap space to compete again.

If we were expecting to not make the playoffs in the first place this would be a moot point.

 

[Pacific Canuck]

Well, other than vegas, teams in the pacific did nothing today.

 

[Szechwan]

Ignoring whether you think they were good targets or not - it is pretty f***in funny that Norris and Cozens, the only two young C's the Canucks were reportedly after all year, ended up getting traded for each other leaving Vancouver with no viable targets to fill the 2C hole.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Allvin and Co still “evaluating” Boeser I guess.

 

[D0ctorCool]

I'd sooner leave ourselves with $8M in un-spent cap next year, than pay Boeser. You never know who may suddenly become available. Even if it means losing Boeser for nothing.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Allvin and Co still “evaluating” Boeser I guess.

They didn't want to give him what he wanted before.

The only reason they do now is because they have to save face.

Organization run by idiots.

 

[wonton15]

mansotight

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't think you understand what I'm arguing. The decision to maximize cap ahead of the deadline happened before we knew what playoff position we would be in.

Even if we don't look good now, coming off of a contending season it would be ludicrous to not try to maximize cap space to compete again.

If we were expecting to not make the playoffs in the first place this would be a moot point.

Yes, and I'm saying that's not the point. Obviously, how they planned it earlier in the season is not currently applicable. I'm saying it's fairly hard to make the case to fans you are serious about the playoffs doing what they did today. So they are not accruing assets and are not looking to improve their odds at the playoffs. They have for all intents and purposes, given up on the rest of this season without accruing any assets. I'm not sure I understand why anyone would do that.

This gets deadly comical if they end up missing the playoffs and then all the UFAs walk for nothing.

 

[me2]

if we got MP3 today instead of a month ago, you people would be hooting and hollering

If we got mp3 today I'd be wondering why they traded the team' 1C at the deadline and yet kept the Boeser and Suter. Wouldn't you?

 

[MS]

See.

This is what I mean.

You were broken by the Benning era and now scold fans who have higher aspirations than "sending a message to SP holders." Or sneaking in to the playoffs.

It is completely fine to have this view you hold. But for the love of god stop making fun of the rest of us.

This has nothing to do with Jim Benning. If we were in 8th in 2016 I would have defended to high heaven the decision not to trade Hamhuis.

Again : this is how sports works. Teams in playoff positions do not sell. Having tantrums because the universal truths of pro sports have continued to hold is … weird, and pointless.

 

[Peter Griffin]

They didn't want to give him what he wanted before.

The only reason they do now is because they have to save face.

Organization run by idiots.

It’s clear that this organization is not committed to winning a cup but rather more concerned with “just getting in”.

 

[ahmon]

Allvin and Co still “evaluating” Boeser I guess.

at this rate, they will still be evaluating Boeser when he retires.

 

[TruGr1t]

It’s clear that this organization is not committed to winning a cup but rather more concerned with “just getting in”.

I'd argue they don't even seem that serious about making the playoffs this season, just playing it out and not tanking. They are one of the lowest-scoring teams in the league and have $14M in cap space post-deadline. They do not seem to be very serious about "just getting in".

 

[Joe Rogan]

Fact is, the Canucks are aiming for the playoffs despite being offensively flaccid for 3 months now, around last in the league in all offensive zone metrics and Boeser being a passenger without Miller. Not to mention Hughes and Demko being injured and sewering the season as a result. They had a chance to recoup assets and cap space to actually build a proper top 6 for next season, and instead they are doing the same limp-dick shortsighted approach that we have been accustomed to since 2016. It's unreal how Aquilini has learned nothing over these years. Nothing will change until Fredo leaves. Guaranteed that instead of signing a gamebreaker like Marner on July 1st, they will splurge on a tweener like Debrusk or Mikheyev again.

 

[moiderer]

Yes, and I'm saying that's not the point. Obviously, how they planned it earlier in the season is not currently applicable. I'm saying it's fairly hard to make the case to fans you are serious about the playoffs doing what they did today. So they are not accruing assets and are not looking to improve their odds at the playoffs. They have for all intents and purposes, given up on the rest of this season without accruing any assets. I'm not sure I understand why anyone would do that.

This gets deadly comical if they end up missing the playoffs and then all the UFAs walk for nothing.

Then that's an entirely different point from what I was arguing.

They certainly haven't given up competing for the playoffs (as others have vehemently argued about) but they're not in the position to mortgage the future and join the arms race.

It would stink if they miss after all this but it's one of the least harmful options including letting Boeser walk. If you argue they should have monetized him then sure, but that leads to the other argument of whether any team in our position would do so.

 

[I am toxic]

Am I missing something?

Canucks are currently in 9th place and sitting out of a playoff spot (8th by Point Percentage I guess, but the games still have to be played). Moneypuck has them at 39% Playoff odds as of today. If they don't start stringing together some wins, their season will be over in a hurry. Also factor in that their best player is injured, their best goaltender is injured, and their best forward has been MIA for a calendar year and the odds start looking stacked against.

I am not overly disappointed from today as the Canucks are a very predictable franchise. Call it a misunderstanding of sports or business or whatever, but it's a recurring pattern that the franchise has been stuck in for over a decade. They are willing to sacrifice a long-term vision for short-term results, most of which have been questionable at best.

Carolina made probably the biggest move of the day contrary to this very argument. They traded their best forward during a playoff race for a collection of high-picks and a young center. Add this to their already impressive prospect group and they are looking very stable moving forward. Criticize their decision all you want, but the move was made with the future in mind and to ensure they remain competitive.

Now if the Canucks stumble and these players walk, I am not overly optimistic they can improve the roster for next season with their limited asset base. It is what it is at this point, but the vision for me is starting to crumble. They have a very limited window to improve enough to convince their Franchise player to sign a long-term contract and now they are likely to take a step back in trying to complete this goal. Regardless of your opinion, I don't think anyone here has more optimism than when the day started.

Carolina thinks this is a video game, that is why they suck every year, have no prospects, and are never a contend . . . oh, wait

Nevermind

 

[thecupismine]

Look, if you want to be mad at the way the season has gone, I get it. Management let the Petey/Miller thing fester way too long, didn't do a good enough job of getting Petey to stay in shape over the summer, came into the season with a paper thin defensive core, and has been brutal with their messaging all year.

The on-ice product has been a combination of bad & boring, which after 10+ years of this garbage, last year excluded, is exhausting. All these things deserve criticism, especially when ticket prices keep going up.

Today though it should've been pretty clear what was going to happen. It's extremely rare for a playoff contending team, regardless of their cup chances, to trade high-profile, impeding UFAs. You can be upset that we're not ahead of the curve on that (if that's what you'd like to call it) and that we're operating the way every other sports franchise does in these spots - that's your perogative.

I'm personally not going to be up in arms about today, as again this was pretty much what should've been expected. However, I am going to 100% continue to be pissed though about everything that led to this point. Waiting so long on the M. Petey thing and not being better at dealing with the locker room drama cost us our best forward and made it much more difficult to contend in the following years, and for that management deserves massive blame.

 

[God]

If we got mp3 today I'd be wondering why they traded the team' 1C at the deadline and yet kept the Boeser and Suter. Wouldn't you?

... as opposed to wondering why they traded the team's 1C a month ago when they were also still fighting for a playoff spot?

 

[supercanuck]

Cody Glass got a 3rd, Beauvillier got a 2nd.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

This has nothing to do with Jim Benning. If we were in 8th in 2016 I would have defended to high heaven the decision not to trade Hamhuis.

Again : this is how sports works. Teams in playoff positions do not sell. Having tantrums because the universal truths of pro sports have continued to hold is … weird, and pointless.

I dismantled your own exampe of Utah and Calgary. (and you move on like nothing happened like you always do.)

Carolina just traded Rantanen for futures even while they are in an actual cup window.

 

[Vector]

Carolina thinks this is a video game, that is why they suck every year, have no prospects, and are never a contend . . . oh, wait

Nevermind

I mean…they aren’t a contender because they don’t actually want to win.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

This has nothing to do with Jim Benning. If we were in 8th in 2016 I would have defended to high heaven the decision not to trade Hamhuis.

Again : this is how sports works. Teams in playoff positions do not sell. Having tantrums because the universal truths of pro sports have continued to hold is … weird, and pointless.

Carolina sold the biggest piece today, so I'm not sure why you keep stating this as fact. Colorado "sold" Rantanen when they are in WC1 spot.

It is true most teams near the playoff bar don't sell, even if the prospect of making it is not great (let alone doing any damages), that is why most teams are stuck directionless and are never serious contenders. We are one of those teams, directionless and stuck in the mushy middle. But because most teams are there as well, our expectations shouldn't be different. Yay!