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[Tact]

Two disappointing deadlines in a row now

 

[krutovsdonut]

We just saw two teams firmly in a playoff picture, trade away one of the best wingers in the league when they knew he wouldn't, or they couldn't get him signed. That would be the Avs first and then the Hurricanes trading away Mikko Rantanen.

How is that not the same situation the Canucks were facing with Brock Boeser? Management has literally stated they're not going to lose players for nothing, and yet here we are. I don't understand the continual pattern of hamstringing your team that seems to happen with this organization.

Trading Boeser isn't "burning it down", it's a pragmatic approach to improving your team, and there's ample evidence that trading underperforming players actually improves your team., while keeping a guy who's checked out makes the team cohesion worse.

While there's no real argument to be made comparing Benning to Ruthervin, this one habit seems built into this organization and it's incredibly stupid. If Boeser had have been traded today, I doubt anyone would have complained about it and everyone would have supported managements decision. Why anyone is on board with decisions that actively make succeeding more difficult is beyond me.

#1, i believe sakic moved rantanen because he wanted to move on from rantenan, not because he couldn't sign him.

#2. tusky/dondun didn't trade for rantenan as a rental and recouped what they could when that was the outcome.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

We are 8th in the West in points %.



Your position in your first post was that you were upset that bad ownership prevented us from selling.

Calgary could have traded Vladar. Utah had Cole and Bjugstad as pending UFAs and re-signed Cole.

And it isn’t just this year. Teams don’t sell when they’re sitting in the playoffs.

Not all situations are built equally. This is Utah HC's first year in Utah, they have a reason to want to make the playoffs to build excitement in the fanbase.

Our 3 franchise pillars are all hurt (Hughes, Pettersson, Demko) to varying degrees, with the most important cog being Quinn who the coach has said is going to have to battle it throughout the year. The game vs the Ducks was huge, considering they've been gaining ground in the stands + the embarrassing way we lost to them last week, and he wasn't healthy enough to go for that. That speaks volumes about his health. This year was a punt worthy season.

 

[God]

if we got MP3 today instead of a month ago, you people would be hooting and hollering

 

[HairyKneel]

Aside from a few bright spots, Rutherford and Allvin completely fumbled this entire season from beginning to end. Completely inexcusable.

No they didn't

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Right shot + 2.8m instead of 3.2m on the books for next season.

Cup Rings, 1000+ games and a reputation as a great leader and guy in the room. Soucy is solid, but we’re comparing different assets.

 

[arttk]

Does anyone actually think Brock can get 7 year term in the open market?

 

[December5th]

why brock should be the fanbase with the sword

 

[wonton15]

Does anyone actually think Brock can get 7 year term in the open market?

Yes, someone will still pay him

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

Is this so?

This would explain alot.

Any source for this rumor?

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

if we got MP3 today instead of a month ago, you people would be hooting and hollering

It’s an important comment in context of everything. We did make a number of earthquake sized deals, we just made them well in advance.

But echoing @Vector - the one thing I find disappointing about today is that we didn’t find a way to weaponize our cap space.

 

[TruGr1t]

Does anyone actually think Brock can get 7 year term in the open market?

According to Allvin the league hates him, he'll be lucky to get more than a one-year, prove-it deal.

 

[Bonham]

Am I missing something?

Canucks are currently in 9th place and sitting out of a playoff spot (8th by Point Percentage I guess, but the games still have to be played). Moneypuck has them at 39% Playoff odds as of today. If they don't start stringing together some wins, their season will be over in a hurry. Also factor in that their best player is injured, their best goaltender is injured, and their best forward has been MIA for a calendar year and the odds start looking stacked against.

I am not overly disappointed from today as the Canucks are a very predictable franchise. Call it a misunderstanding of sports or business or whatever, but it's a recurring pattern that the franchise has been stuck in for over a decade. They are willing to sacrifice a long-term vision for short-term results, most of which have been questionable at best.

Carolina made probably the biggest move of the day contrary to this very argument. They traded their best forward during a playoff race for a collection of high-picks and a young center. Add this to their already impressive prospect group and they are looking very stable moving forward. Criticize their decision all you want, but the move was made with the future in mind and to ensure they remain competitive.

Now if the Canucks stumble and these players walk, I am not overly optimistic they can improve the roster for next season with their limited asset base. It is what it is at this point, but the vision for me is starting to crumble. They have a very limited window to improve enough to convince their Franchise player to sign a long-term contract and now they are likely to take a step back in trying to complete this goal. Regardless of your opinion, I don't think anyone here has more optimism than when the day started.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Not all situations are built equally. This is Utah HC's first year in Utah, they have a reason to want to make the playoffs to build excitement in the fanbase.

Our 3 franchise pillars are all hurt (Hughes, Pettersson, Demko) to varying degrees, with the most important cog being Quinn who the coach has said is going to have to battle it throughout the year. The game vs the Ducks was huge, considering they've been gaining ground in the stands + the embarrassing way we lost to them last week, and he wasn't healthy enough to go for that. That speaks volumes about his health. This year was a punt worthy season.

Exactly. Just because it's a "rule of thumb", ignoring the details and context of the Canuck's 2025 roster health and performance is - irrational.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I dont get it.

 

[MS]

You don't see the point because you'd prefer the team to compete each year they reasonably can, and that's fine, I am not critical of your preference. But again, there is nothing wrong with a fan preferring their team take a longer term view especially when you consider that longer term view is more likely to yield better results. There is nothing surprising or unreasonable about a group of people being upset when their interests are not being catered to by another group that is catering to their own self interest. Like, its pretty fair and reasonable.

And sure, there are overreactions. But this is a an internet forum, so hardly surprising.

It’s not even about what I ‘prefer’.

Even if I rated picks/prospects much higher than I do and really felt that the best thing for the franchise in a vacuum was to trade Boeser … I wouldn’t be upset that they didn’t because I understand that there is basically zero chance that they were going to send a message to their SP holders (who they are going to be in a massive fight to retain after last year’s price increases) that they were quitting on the season with 18 games left while they were sitting in the playoffs.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Rumour is that the Canucks are for sale in which case ownership probably wants to show the best financials (i.e., playoffs) as possible to any would be purchaser.

I’d be fascinated to know more about this rumor because it’s the first I’ve seen of it. Is there a source?

 

[BoHorvat 53]

if we got MP3 today instead of a month ago, you people would be hooting and hollering

But we didn't. We did get him a month ago, we know Quinn Hughes is hurt, we're tumbling down the standings to the point that what was looking like a safe lead over the rest of the West has now turned into an actual race.

With the knowledge we have today, today's lack of moves is a disaster.

 

[TruGr1t]

It’s not even about what I ‘prefer’.

Even if I rated picks/prospects much higher than I do and really felt that the best thing for the franchise in a vacuum was to trade Boeser … I wouldn’t be upset that they didn’t because I understand that there is basically zero chance that they were going to send a message to their SP holders (who they are going to be in a massive fight to retain after last year’s price increases) that they were quitting on the season with 18 games left while they were sitting in the playoffs.

Again, this is way different than how they typically operate, though. Aquilini himself would probably have been banging the table in previous iterations to leverage that ~$14M in current cap space to improve the team with 20 games remaining. The fact they have just sat on everything .... assets, cap space, etc. Is completely new.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Might be the dumbest thing anyone did at the trade deadline is to not trade him. He is a having a career year and is never going to have this type of value again.

 

[God]

But we didn't. We did get him a month ago, we know Quinn Hughes is hurt, we're tumbling down the standings to the point that what was looking like a safe lead over the rest of the West has now turned into an actual race.

With the knowledge we have today, today's lack of moves is a disaster.

the teams we're fighting with for a WC spot also did nothing. guess i'll check their boards to see if their fans are also up in arms about this

 

[VancouverJagger]

The only problem with that is there is no real set of moves that could upgrade this team massively. Unless Lekkerimaki comes into next season looking like a 30 goal scorer and Willander is a very good #3, we're in for a very dark future when Quinn inevitably informs management he has 0 intentions of signing an extension - the groundwork is already being laid out with Rutherford saying that they might have to strip the team down if this core can't figure it out (He said that after saying they want to figure out a way to keep Quinn around for his entire career), and Quinn's agent saying he wants to win.

I'm not that doom and gloom and think we are a lot closer potentially then people think to competing. Just look at a month ago and people were complaining about how horrible our d was....... fast forward to this week and people are talking about us having a top 5 d soon.

Our fate pretty much hinges on Petey......if he regains form and we can add a character hard nosed guy like Bennett and some more speed and size all of a sudden we are right back in it........A lot can change in a short period of time.......

 

[Peter Griffin]

We are 8th in the West in points %.

We are .001% better than Calgary but still have to win that game in hand otherwise Calgary beats us out in a tiebreaker. This isn’t a “playoff” team, it’s a bubble team fighting with 3 others and apparently already made their best offer for Brock and are almost certainly going to be priced out on Suter. Considering the prices that were paid for considerably lesser assets I think there’s a very good chance we look at today as a mistake.

 

[arttk]

Yes, someone will still pay him

honestly doubt he will get max term, unless it's like one of those drastically lower the AAV type of deal

 

[MS]

But we didn't. We did get him a month ago, we know Quinn Hughes is hurt, we're tumbling down the standings to the point that what was looking like a safe lead over the rest of the West has now turned into an actual race.

With the knowledge we have today, today's lack of moves is a disaster.

We’re actually higher in the standings then when we made the Miller trade - Calgary was ahead of us at that point and have gone in the tank over their last 10 games or so.