GDT: Game 65: Sharks vs. Islanders 7:00pm NBCSCA

[Star Platinum]

I wonder if Smith joining the race will have any affect on Celebrini chances of winning.

Smith is not in the race

 

[Cas]

Also, can we pleeeeeease sit goodrow? I love the guy, don't get me wrong. But good god, it seems like every time he is on the ice, bad bad bad things happen. And that cant happen for a 4th liner.

Barclay Goodrow is no longer an NHL quality player. He's aged out of that. I wouldn't be opposed to buying him out, though it will make reaching the cap floor more difficult next year - maybe we should just bury him.

 

[Barrie22]

Smith is not in the race

He is at the very worst, 5th.

 

[coooldude]

Barclay Goodrow is no longer an NHL quality player. He's aged out of that. I wouldn't be opposed to buying him out, though it will make reaching the cap floor more difficult next year - maybe we should just bury him.

Deja Vu on Vlasic discussions. The likely reality is that he's still in the lineup and depending on how well others play, he will see some press box time but not as much as many on these boards would hope.

 

[CHALUPA]

One of those jobs is the head coach

I’m not sure how we keep coming back to shitting on Warsofsky. This team was already bad, shipped out quality vets, weakened out already horrible backend, killed the vibes, and they’re still playing hard, competitive hockey. That’s a culture that the coaching staff helps instill.

He may not be the best coach (I don’t have enough tactics knowledge to be able to tell), but I really don’t think he deserves the degree of criticism this board throws his way after losses.

 

[Star Platinum]

He is at the very worst, 5th.

He has zero chance of winning

 

[Chinaski89]

Randy's made mistakes for a couple of years now. How is this morphing into Plattner looking to sell speculation?

It's like the trade deadline happened and everyone lost their minds.

A fan favorite was just traded. This team needs as many fan favorite players as possible to get butts in seats. Now Eklund looked like he was sulking all game yesterday. It’s not a good look. I am concerned if things don’t start turning around two seasons from now that San Jose could lose the Sharks. A Buffalo, Detroit or Ottawa level of suck won’t last in the Bay Area.

 

[Cas]

A fan favorite was just traded. This team needs as many fan favorite players as possible to get butts in seats. Now Eklund looked like he was sulking all game yesterday. It’s not a good look. I am concerned if things don’t start turning around two seasons from now that San Jose could lose the Sharks. A Buffalo, Detroit or Ottawa level of suck won’t last in the Bay Area.

The San Francisco Bay Area is one of the most phenomenally wealthy places on Earth, with a huge population, and the Sharks have 100% control over its hockey market and the surrounding area.

What other market can potentially match that? Houston and Atlanta are the only two I can think of even close.

 

[Chinaski89]

The San Francisco Bay Area is one of the most phenomenally wealthy places on Earth, with a huge population, and the Sharks have 100% control over its hockey market and the surrounding area.

What other market can potentially match that? Houston and Atlanta are the only two I can think of even close.

Sharks attendance has been trending down since 2016 and completely fell off a cliff the last few years. If they continue being a bottom 8 team they won’t have any fans left.

Houston and put Utah Hockey Club back in the pacific.

Kansas City a dark horse.

 

[Lebanezer]

A fan favorite was just traded. This team needs as many fan favorite players as possible to get butts in seats. Now Eklund looked like he was sulking all game yesterday. It’s not a good look. I am concerned if things don’t start turning around two seasons from now that San Jose could lose the Sharks. A Buffalo, Detroit or Ottawa level of suck won’t last in the Bay Area.

Who was the fan favorite that was just traded?

 

[Cas]

Sharks attendance has been trending down since 2016 and completely fell off a cliff the last few years. If they continue being a bottom 8 team they won’t have any fans left.

Yes, they suck. When they get better, attendance will go up.

 

[Chinaski89]

Who was the fan favorite that was just traded?

Zetterlund. If you read outside this forum such as Reddit and twitter it’s a resounding yes that he was a fan favorite.

 

[Chinaski89]

Yes, they suck. When they get better, attendance will go up.

They better get better quickly. Five or eight more years of this won’t suffice.

 

[weastern bias]

Now the Sharks are relocating because we traded Fabian Zetterlund

Jesus Christ

Guess what? He was on the team all year and we were in last place, he made no material difference to our win/loss record

The league let the Coyotes play in a college arena for two years before being forced to relocate them, the Sharks aren't moving, get a grip

 

[weastern bias]

The team is only this bad right now because Wilson kept doing what the Chicken Littles in this thread are advocating for, denying the reality of his situation and investing in the current losing roster rather than pushing towards a future window, ironically those who are upset we aren't "trying to improve now" are suggesting we make mistakes that would guarantee we don't win ever, since we still wouldn't be winning now

 

[The Nemesis]

A fan favorite was just traded. This team needs as many fan favorite players as possible to get butts in seats. Now Eklund looked like he was sulking all game yesterday. It’s not a good look. I am concerned if things don’t start turning around two seasons from now that San Jose could lose the Sharks. A Buffalo, Detroit or Ottawa level of suck won’t last in the Bay Area.

People being sad doesn't really explain the absolute insanity and tremendous leaps that some of the hotter takes are making. Thinking that shipping a bunch of guys out in a time where it was still explained and known that the team was in the sell-off phase somehow correlates to them slashing budget so that Plattner can sell the team is a huuuuuuge stretch. Going from "yeah, Grier's doing a good job." to "OMG HE'S BOTCHING THIS AND WE'RE GONNA BE STUCK IN THE PIT OF SUCK FOREVER NOW!" because he traded a popular middle-6 winger for a 2nd and a potential solid 3C more in line with the age bracket of our presumptive core seems excessive. Thinking that they're still intent on sucking forever while management explicitly says that this is the end of the sell-off is weird.

It's like people are inventing, extrapolating, or massively overstating reasons to be mad, then getting mad at those projected/hypothetical/outmoded reasons instead of reality.

I'm sad that Zetterlund is gone too. And I think the trade is probably light on return for him even though I will also admit that I am higher on Ostapchuk than most if not all others here. But that trade is a far cry from being compelling evidence that Grier is suddenly incompetent, or looking to forever extend the tank, or thinking that the team is in dire danger of losing its place in the market and facing a sale or relocation or whatever.

If we're like 3/4s of the way through next year and still gutting the roster, and struggling to take a step forward then it's time to be concerned. But honestly, from the moment Celebrini was drafted my biggest concern was going to be the potential for people to overrate how much of an impact he can have and start calling to accelerate the rebuild so that the team is ready to contend in a year or two instead of letting it take its course. Because stepping on the gas at the first sign of optimism is how you end up like Columbus for the last 10-15 years.

 

[Lebanezer]

Zetterlund. If you read outside this forum such as Reddit and twitter it’s a resounding yes that he was a fan favorite.

I'm sure that many people liked him, but he's no Burns, Thornton, Marleau, Couture, Pavelski etc. As others have stated, his departure isn't that powerful.

 

[Chinaski89]

People being sad doesn't really explain the absolute insanity and tremendous leaps that some of the hotter takes are making. Thinking that shipping a bunch of guys out in a time where it was still explained and known that the team was in the sell-off phase somehow correlates to them slashing budget so that Plattner can sell the team is a huuuuuuge stretch. Going from "yeah, Grier's doing a good job." to "OMG HE'S BOTCHING THIS AND WE'RE GONNA BE STUCK IN THE PIT OF SUCK FOREVER NOW!" because he traded a popular middle-6 winger for a 2nd and a potential solid 3C more in line with the age bracket of our presumptive core seems excessive. Thinking that they're still intent on sucking forever while management explicitly says that this is the end of the sell-off is weird.

It's like people are inventing, extrapolating, or massively overstating reasons to be mad, then getting mad at those projected/hypothetical/outmoded reasons instead of reality.

I'm sad that Zetterlund is gone too. And I think the trade is probably light on return for him even though I will also admit that I am higher on Ostapchuk than most if not all others here. But that trade is a far cry from being compelling evidence that Grier is suddenly incompetent, or looking to forever extend the tank, or thinking that the team is in dire danger of losing its place in the market and facing a sale or relocation or whatever.

If we're like 3/4s of the way through next year and still gutting the roster, and struggling to take a step forward then it's time to be concerned. But honestly, from the moment Celebrini was drafted my biggest concern was going to be the potential for people to overrate how much of an impact he can have and start calling to accelerate the rebuild so that the team is ready to contend in a year or two instead of letting it take its course. Because stepping on the gas at the first sign of optimism is how you end up like Columbus for the last 10-15 years.

I never once said it’s intentionally done to tank enthusiasm so Plattner can sell… I’m saying if Grier doesn’t succeed, and attendance doesn’t recover, the Sharks are probably the next team to face relocation. It’s just the truth. My dad lived (still lives) in the Bay my whole life and of all the friends I made visiting him for summers and living there my 8th grade and senior year of high school only one friend I made was an actual Sharks fan. So this belief that the fact the bay is a megalopolis shields the Sharks from ever leaving is a bunch of BS. No one in San Francisco and Oakland gives a damn about this team. I could never find a sharks game on at a bar when I lived there when I was 22 and 23. They only have a somewhat strong following in San Jose and basically nowhere else.

 

[Chinaski89]

I'm sure that many people liked him, but he's no Burns, Thornton, Marleau, Couture, Pavelski etc. As others have stated, his departure isn't that powerful.

Presently for this team that has only the young guys to root for… yes, he was important to fan enthusiasm. Eklund looked like Eeyore out there last night. Morale is in the crapper.

 

[weastern bias]

if Grier doesn’t succeed, and attendance doesn’t recover, the Sharks are probably the next team to face relocation. It’s just the truth.

This is literally just an opinion, one founded in catastrophization rather than fact

Again, the Coyotes played in ASU for 2 YEARS, before they moved, the Sharks aren't leaving the bay area because they aren't winning hockey games, it would take a monumental business failure on the scale of Arizona for that to happen

 

[Cas]

This is literally just an opinion, one founded in catastrophization rather than fact

Again, the Coyotes played in ASU for 2 YEARS, before they moved, the Sharks aren't leaving the bay area because they aren't winning hockey games, it would take a monumental business failure on the scale of Arizona for that to happen

Especially since the claim of support for the Sharks is based entirely on personal anecdotes.

 

[Timo Time]

People actually believe the team will relocate?? I wasn't the biggest fan of the Zetterlund trade either but holy shit

 

[The Nemesis]

I never once said it’s intentionally done to tank enthusiasm so Plattner can sell… I’m saying if Grier doesn’t succeed, and attendance doesn’t recover, the Sharks are probably the next team to face relocation. It’s just the truth. My dad lived (still lives) in the Bay my whole life and of all the friends I made visiting him for summers and living there my 8th grade and senior year of high school only one friend I made was an actual Sharks fan. So this belief that the fact the bay is a megalopolis shields the Sharks from ever leaving is a bunch of BS. No one in San Francisco and Oakland gives a damn about this team. I could never find a sharks game on at a bar when I lived there when I was 22 and 23. They only have a somewhat strong following in San Jose and basically nowhere else.

You didn't, but someone else did. Someone questioned if the trades were the team cutting salary to make the team leaner and create the opportunity for Plattner to sell the team. Which is an insane in terms of how far afield it wanders on nothing more than a bunch of suppositions.

 

[gaucholoco3]

This team will not relocate. It would require Hasso to want to sell and not have any local owners step up. In Silicon Valley there are many billionaires that would love to get in on the owning sports action in the Bay Area. Phoenix didn’t have an owner that wanted to be there. Completely different situations.